Aspecte ale Comunicarii Online In Campania Why Don’t You Come Over
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Aspecte ale comunicării online în campania „Why don t you come over”
CUPRINS
INTRODUCERE
CAPITOLUL 1 Relațiile publice – delimitări conceptuale
1.1 Relațiile publice – cadru general
1.1.1 Campania de relații publice definiții
1.1.2 Scopuri, obiective, public-țintă
1.1.3 Relații publice externe – cultura națională ca element al branding-ului de țară
1.1.4 Campanii de (re)construire a imaginii naționale
1.2 Relații publice în mediul online
1.2.1 Campanii tradiționale de relații publice versus campanii online
1.2.2 Relațiile publice și rețeaua socială
1.2.3 Caracteristici ale publicurilor online
1.2.4 Strategii de implicare a publicurilor în mediul online
1.3 Analiza mesajelor în campaniile de relații publice
1.3.1 Persuasiunea
1.3.2 Mesajele generate de publicuri
1.4 Campania ”Why don`t you come over?” – direcții de cercetare
1.4.1Obiective de cercetare
1.4.2 Ipoteze de cercetare
CAPITOLUL 2 Campania ”Why don't you come over?” – opțiuni și etape metodologice
2.1 Metoda de cercetare: analiza de conținut
2.2 Analiza tematică – abordare structuralistă
2.3 Corpusul de studiu aplicativ și schema de codificare
2.4 Întrebările de cercetare
CAPITOLUL 3 Analiza campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?”
3.1 Temele folosite în mesajele campaniilor
3.2 Tipurile de emoții exprimate de publicurile online
3.3 Strategiile de implicare a publicurilor online folosite în campanie
CONCLUZII
BIBLIOGRAFIE
ANEXE
INTRODUCERE
Este general valabil și din ce în ce mai des întâlnit faptul că România este percepută în mod negativ pe plan internațional. Nu este nevoie de studii ca să ne dăm seama, ci putem deduce asta din acțiunile celorlalte state: ironiile francezilor, respingerea italienilor și spaniolilor, amenințările rușilor etc.
E adevărat că nu suntem o națiune de patrioți, însă ne crește inima când auzim ,,de bine” de alți români care ne-au făcut mândri în plan internațional. Însă când vine vorba de stereotipurile din afară despre noi, patriotismul dispare complet și ne aliem cu opozanții în denigrarea propriei țări.
De acest motiv cred că oamenii sunt cheia către un viitor mai îmbucurător din punct de vedere al reputației noastre ca nație. Oamenii, prin puterea cuvintelor. Mă bucur când mai există inițiative de ridicare a imaginii și a brandingului național. De astfel de inițiative are nevoie România.
Tocmai despre acestea voi scrie în această lucrare. Compusă din patru capitole, aceasta va trata subiectul imaginii României transpus prin analiza unei campanii de branding național (campania ”Why don`t you come over?”). Consider că această inițiativă se alătură multor altor campanii de acest fel, însă aceasta se distinge prin exprimarea creativă a temelor pe care le abordează și prin modul de expunere al lor, acestea viralizându-se rapid.
Obiectivul principal este identificarea temelor majore prin care românii sunt reprezentați de către britanici, recunoașterea unei tipologii în realizarea afișelor campaniei românești, identificarea temelor atinse, identificarea strategiilor de implicare a publicurilor online în campanie și delimitarea emoțiilor transmise de către public prin analizarea comentariilor.
Primul capitol este dedicat părții teoretice, în care am prezentat aspecte despre campaniile de relații publice, importanța relațiilor publice externe, precum și exemple de campanii de reconstruire a imaginii naționale. Pe lângă acestea, am subliniat rolul mediului online pentru domeniul relațiilor publice, importanța modului de persuasiune și reacțiile publicului, toate precedând ipotezele de cercetare pe care se bazează prezenta lucrare. Al doilea capitol face referire la opțiunile și etapele metodologice de analiză ale campaniei: analiza cantitativă, analiza calitativă, opozițiile binare structuraliste și careul semiotic, strategiile de implicare ale publicurilor online. Al treilea capitol reprezintă partea de analiză a materialelor campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?”, împreună cu rezultatele analizei. În ultimul rând, concluziile confirmă sau, din contra, infirmă ipotezele de cercetare, oferind o viziune completă asupra întregii analizei.
Așadar, prin această lucrare îmi propun să analizez o mică parte din campaniile de branding național și să evidențiez modul în care aceasta a fost percepută de către publicurile ei.
CAPITOLUL 1
RELAȚIILE PUBLICE – DELIMITĂRI CONCEPTUALE
Relațiile publice – cadru general
Încă de la apariția ei, sintagma ,,relații publice” a fost și este utilizată într-un mod greșit de către persoanele care nu înțeleg sau înțeleg prea puțin semnificația ei. Odată cu apariția lor, la începutul secolului al XXI-lea, definirea relațiilor publice a dus la generarea unor perspective diferite asupra domeniului, iar activitățile desfășurate de către practicienii în relații publice au căpătat sensuri noi, cu fiecare deceniu care a trecut. Acest fapt se datorează creșterii în număr și diversitate a tipurilor de activități care sunt incluse în sfera relațiilor publice, conducând la dificultăți în definire a acestui domeniu, părerile fiind extrem de variate.
Relevantă este afirmația autorilor D. W. Guth și C. Marsh, care denumeau relațiile publice ,,profesia cu o mie de definiții” (2000, p. 13). O altă definiție, propusă de S. M. Cutlip, A. H. Center și G. M. Broom (2010, p. 1) susține că ,,relațiile publice reprezintă funcția de management, care stabilește și menține relații reciproc avantajoase între o organizație și publicurile de care depinde succesul sau eșecul acesteia”. Pe de altă parte, Grunig și Hunt (1984, apud Coman, 2006) accentuează dimensiunea comunicațională și afirmă că relațiile publice sunt ,,managementul comunicării dintre organizație și publicurile sale”.
Din această ultimă perspectivă, relațiile publice se definesc ca o modalitate prin care o organizație comunică cu publicurile sale. Astfel, comunicarea se realizează în două sensuri: managerii află atitudinile publicurilor, care îi ajută în luarea celor mai bune decizii, iar publicurile înțeleg mai bine organizația și au încredere în ea. (Coman, 2006)
1.1.1 Campania de relații publice – definiții
Însă prin ce modalități se vor realiza toate acestea? Cum reușesc companiile și organizațiile să comunice mai eficient cu publicurile? Cea mai fundamentală și cuprinzătoare metodă, utilizată cel mai des este campania de relații publice.
În cea mai sintetică definiție, ,,campania de relații publice este un efort susținut al unei organizații pentru a construi relații sociale demne de încredere, cu scopul de a atinge anumite obiective (determinate în urma unor cercetări), efort bazat pe aplicarea unor strategii de comunicare și evaluarea rezultatelor obținute”. (R. Kendall, 1992, apud Coman, 2006). D. Newsom, J.V. Turk și D. Kruckeberg (2003, p. 571) propun următoarea definiție: ,,Campaniile sunt eforturi ample, coordonate și orientate către realizarea unor obiective specifice sau a unor ansambluri de obiective corelate, care vor permite unei organizații să-și atingă țelurile fixate ca (sau printr-o) declarație de principii”.
În funcție de dorințele rezultatelor unei campanii de relații publice, acestea pot fi axate pe șase tipuri de obiective (P. Jackson, consultant și cofondator al unei firme internaționale de relații publice, citat în D. Newsom, J.V. Turk și D. Kruckeberg, 2003, pp. 572-573):
conștientizarea unei probleme: în cadrul acestor campanii se dorește aducerea în atenția publicului a unor teme de dezbatere, a unor situații sau atitudini;
informarea publicului: încercând să obțină mai mult decâ conștientizarea unor probleme, aceste campanii de relații publice oferă informații referitoare la problema specifică;
educarea publicului: în acest caz, se urmărește pregătirea publicului pentru a acționa, luând în calcul cunoștințele primite și ținând cont de obiectivele campaniei;
întărirea atitudinilor: aceste campanii sunt axate pe întărirea și reamintirea normelor, valorilor și comportamentelor unor categorii de public ce deja susțin valorile organizației;
schimbarea atitudinilor: în acest caz, publicurile care nu împărtășesc valorile organizației, campaniei sunt cele vizate;
schimbarea comportamentului: în astfel de campanii se urmărește determinarea de noi modele de acțiune, ce schimbă perspectiva pe care o aveau publicurile până în acel moment.
Astfel, se observă că relațiile publice au fost definite din numeroase puncte de vedere, iar fiecare definiție include noi elemente. Acest fapt se datorează marii varietăți a organizațiilor care desfășoară relații publice și care implică adaptarea la tendințele momentului.
1.1.2 Scopuri, obiective, public-țintă
Observăm că în definițiile prezentate în sub-capitolul anterior apar frecvent referiri la concepte precum obiective, scopuri sau declarație de principii. Astfel, Coman (2006, p. 74) face câteva precizări asupra acestor termeni:
– scopurile sunt definite ca rezultatele globale pe care o organizație speră să le obțină prin activitatea ei.
– obiectivele reprezintă acțiuni și etape specifice care măsoară progresul făcut în atingerea scopurilor; obiectivele trebuie să fie foarte concrete, măsurabile și să aibă termene specifice de execuție.
– declarația de principii reprezintă un text scurt în care sunt prezentate valorile majore ale unei organizații, scopurile pe care le are, locul și responsabilitatea ei între celelalte organizații asemănătoare și în societate în general. ,,Declarațiile de principii conțin angajamente publice referitoare la obligațiile civice și la responsabilitățile sociale […] Ele sunt o mărturie a idealurilor și valorilor care inspiră o organizație și au scopul să ofere o direcție și un sens pentru activitățile acesteia”. (Cutlip et alii, 2010, p. 74)
De asemenea, publicul-țintă este un factor foarte important în procesul comunicării pentru practicienii de relații publice. Așa cum definea Coman (2006, p. 188), publicul-țintă este ,,grupul principal care îl vizează un anumit mesaj de relații publice”. Definirea unui public-țintă poate fi realizată prin intermediul unui profil demografic, sociografic sau psihografic (R. L. Heath, 2005).
C. Popescu (2005, p. 16-19) precizează că modalitatea de segmentare a publicurilor țintă (denumite și cumpărători/consumatori) se realizează în funcție de patru criterii: demografic, geografic, comportamental și psihografic. Criteriul demografic cuprinde date referitoare la vârstă, sex, educație, rasă, religie, venituri etc., criteriul geografic distinge diferite categorii de public-țintă în funcție mediul în care trăiesc (urban sau rural), de diferențele de mărime între aglomerațiile urbane, de poziția geografică a localităților etc., criteriul comportamental se referă la comportamentul indivizilor în raport cu ”produsul” promovat, iar criteriul psihografic încearcă să identifice caracteristicile psihice ale diverselor categorii de public.
În aceeași notă, consultantul în marketing online, Ionașcu enumera câteva caracteristici în definirea unui public-țintă, făcând referire de această dată la publicurile online, prin prisma unor termeni-cheie: demografia (media de vârstă, starea civilă, etnie, religie, studii, ocupație, statut profesional), caracteristici și obiceiuri generale, ce nu îi place să facă, ce canale de comunicare folosește, activitatea și prezența online, cuvintele care îi atrag atenția.
1.1.3 Relații publice externe – cultura națională ca element al branding-ului de țară
Percepută în mediul economic și al comunicării de masă drept un fenomen relativ nou, atrăgător, capabil să propună metode eficiente de persuadare a publicurilor, relațiile publice au devenit un factor indispensabil în lumea contemporană, în contextul reprezentării imaginii unui stat și a unei culturi în spațiul public internațional.
Construirea brandului de țară implică, potrivit lui Bălănescu (2009), asocierea acelor elemente care țin de spiritualitatea poporului, de istoria lui în timp, de civilizația, mentalitatea, tradire aglomerațiile urbane, de poziția geografică a localităților etc., criteriul comportamental se referă la comportamentul indivizilor în raport cu ”produsul” promovat, iar criteriul psihografic încearcă să identifice caracteristicile psihice ale diverselor categorii de public.
În aceeași notă, consultantul în marketing online, Ionașcu enumera câteva caracteristici în definirea unui public-țintă, făcând referire de această dată la publicurile online, prin prisma unor termeni-cheie: demografia (media de vârstă, starea civilă, etnie, religie, studii, ocupație, statut profesional), caracteristici și obiceiuri generale, ce nu îi place să facă, ce canale de comunicare folosește, activitatea și prezența online, cuvintele care îi atrag atenția.
1.1.3 Relații publice externe – cultura națională ca element al branding-ului de țară
Percepută în mediul economic și al comunicării de masă drept un fenomen relativ nou, atrăgător, capabil să propună metode eficiente de persuadare a publicurilor, relațiile publice au devenit un factor indispensabil în lumea contemporană, în contextul reprezentării imaginii unui stat și a unei culturi în spațiul public internațional.
Construirea brandului de țară implică, potrivit lui Bălănescu (2009), asocierea acelor elemente care țin de spiritualitatea poporului, de istoria lui în timp, de civilizația, mentalitatea, tradițiile și obiceiurile care îl definesc. Astfel, construirea întregului ține de informații din ramuri diverse: cultură, istorie, economie, sport, politică sau transporturi. Toate se leagă, în ochii străinilor, sub forma unui numitor comun – brandul de țară. Elementele pot fi autoselectate, într-un proces involuntar, mai ales în ceea ce le privește pe cele ale spiritualității colectivității unei țări, indiferent de părerea pe care membrii ei direct implicați o au. În cel de-al doilea caz, brandul de țară poate fi rezultatul unui proces planificat meticulos, în dezvoltarea căruia sunt implicate resurse umane profesioniste și materiale majore. O îmbinare a acestor două modalități aduce rezultatele dorite și cele mai eficiente. Referitor la numeroasele piese din puzzle-ul care reprezintă brandul de țară, ele acoperă aspectele a numeroase nivele de importanță și complexitate percepute de vizitator – de la comportamentul politicos sau nu al vameșilor, seriozitatea taximetriștilor care îl transportă la hotel, prima masă pe care o ia, până la atitudinea generală a cetățenilor pe care îi întâlnește, sistemul de transporturi, produsele sau serviciile. Aceste exemple satisfac o mică parte din ceea ce se numește imaginea unei țări, însă, fără îndoială, toate vor completa, treptat, o imagine pe care un străin o avea înainte de a trece granița unei țări, iar rezultatul poate fi negativ sau pozitiv.
Construirea brandului de țară nu se realizează în perioade scurte de timp ci, în unele cazuri, elementele sale de bază sunt identificate cu secole în urmă.
,,Din ce în ce mai mult, reclamele se adaptează specificului gândirii și mentalității comunității în care este produsă, reflectând valorile spirituale ale culturii în care sunt difuzate și contribuind la modul în care ne construim identitatea” (Bălănescu, 2009, p. 49). Extrapolând această afirmație la relațiile publice, putem afirma că relația cultură-PR, în contextul identității naționale, este una bilaterală – practicienii de relații publice extrag valorile majore, relevante pentru un număr mare din societatea în care se desfășoară și le transmit către membrii acesteia sub formă comercială, de multe ori stereotipizată. La rândul ei, societatea, sub influența personalizării și familiarității induse de adaptarea campaniilor la propriile ei valori, va accepta mesajele primite și, dovadă a eficienței acestora din urmă, le va interioriza, ca parte a identității culturale. Astfel, conștientizarea de către specialisiștii în relațiile publice asupra importanței includerii publicurilor și valorilor acestora în toate procesele de creare a campaniilor, inclusiv în faza inițială de strategie, a condus la găsirea unei legături puternice între identitatea culturală a unei națiuni și crearea unor procese comunicaționale pentru a releva o imagine cât mai favorabilă.
În contextul identității culturale există, desigur, două direcții, potrivit Bălănescu (2009): identitatea dinăuntru, adică imaginea pe care membrii unui grup o au despre sine și identitatea din afară, adică imaginea pe care cei din afara grupului o au despre comunitate. De multe ori, cele două percepții sunt diferite, mai ales când este vorba despre imaginea unei țări, adică felul în care este văzută de cei din afara ei.
Astfel, pentru a realiza o cât mai bună imagine a unei țări, importanța relațiilor publice, împreună cu alte procese comunicaționale, este primordială în ceea ce privește transmiterea valorilor către exterior și asimilarea sau conștientizarea lor de către membrii culturii reprezentate.
1.1.4 Campanii de (re)construire a imaginii naționale
Nevoia de a avea o imagine bună este în prezent la fel de importantă pentru un produs, cât și pentru o țară. Fiecare țară are deja o imagine care există în mințile altor oameni, o entitate cu trăsături atât pozitive, cât și negative. Imaginea unei țări este un factor determinant, esențial, al atitudinii pe care o adoptă oamenii și firmele fațǎ de țara respectivă. De aceea, orice țarǎ ar trebui să încerce să-și gestioneze propria imagine. (Nicolescu, 2008)
James Grunig (citat în Dolea și Țăruș, 2009, p. 41), afirmă faptul că ,,România are o problemă de imagine. În multe țări occidentale, ea nu are nicio imagine”. În teza sa de doctorat, Moise (2009, p.11) este acord cu afirmația marelui specialist în relații publice, precizând faptul că ,,România nu are încă un brand de țară prin care să fie recunoscută de cetățenii străini așa cum este cazul celorlalte țări.” Totuși, ca fiecare organism/sistem/conglomerat ce are o istorie în spate, o națiune se poate defini prin câteva caracteristici. În această notă, Luminița Nicolescu (2008) precizează în lucrarea sa, Imaginea României sub Lupă!, principalele caracteristici ale românilor (Fig. 1):
Fig.1 – Calități ale românilor (Nicolescu, 2008)
După cum se poate observa, ospitalitatea este prima calitate care caracterizează poporul român. Însă într-o cercetare proprie, în Adevărul se precizează că această caracteristică se află pe locul al doilea în mințile românilor la o privire de ansamblu asupra propriei imagini, prima calitate fiind patriotismul.
Branduri românești orientate către valorile naționale, tradiție și patriotism au creat, de-a lungul anilor, campanii pentru produse care au pus accentul pe părțile bune ale României, cu scopul de a îmbunătăți imaginea acesteia, atât la nivel intern, cât și extern. ROM, unul dintre cele mai cunoscute branduri din România, se poziționează pe piața batoanelor de ciocolată drept brand autentic românesc. Ideea de autenticitate românească a fost exploatată în toate campaniile ROM de până acum, de la prezentarea părților mai puțin bune din fostul stat comunist sau promovarea Bucureștiului ca nefiind Budapesta, până invențiile românești patentate de străini, în cea mai recentă campanie ROM, Răzbunarea e dulce. Una dintre cele mai notorii campanii marca ROM și, totodată, câștigătoare de Gold la Cannes 2011, este The American ROM. Obiectivul lor s-a bazat pe creșterea mândriei naționale în cadrul targetului tânăr și apărarea de către români a valorilor românești, prin apelul la valori emoționale, chiar în vremuri de austeritate.
Revenind la studiul lui Nicolescu, pe locul al doilea se află creativitatea și inovația. Companiile românești s-au străduit să scoată în evidență aceste atribute, un bun exemplu în acest sens fiind campania ,,Why don’t you come over?”, care se bazează pe contracararea imaginii proaste a românilor în UK cu afișe ce exprimă mesaje bazate pe opozițiile dintre cele două țări. Despre aceasta vom vorbi mai târziu, în partea a doua a lucrării.
A treia caracteristică enunțată de Luminița Nicolescu este inteligența poporului român, istețimea acestuia. În acest domeniu, putem aminti de campania ,,Românii sunt deștepți” desfășurată de ROM, în colaborare cu McCann Erikson. Inițiativa campaniei a fost cea de a schimba imaginea românilor pe motorul de căutare Google. În acest moment, la căutarea cuvintelor ,,Românii sunt”, primele trei sugestii care apar sunt ,,deștepți”, ,,educați” și ,,frumoși”. În total, peste 600.000 de români au participat la această campanie.
Alina Dolea și Adriana Țăruș (2009, p. 61-86) fac o retrospectivă în trecut și amintesc de începuturile campaniilor de branding național. În 2004, România lansa prima sa campanie de comunicare la nivel internațional, cu scopul de a-și îmbunătăți imaginea avută peste hotare și atrage turiști străini, numită „România, mereu surprinzătoare”, realizată de Ogilvy & Mathers Romania. Campania a urmărit să schimbe percepția străinilor despre România și să facă cunoscut, mai ales în rândul tinerilor europeni cu vârste cuprinse între 30 și 55 de ani, că serviciile din turismul românesc s-au îmbunătățit. În final, campania a fost abandonată fără a fi făcute publice rezultatele sale finale. Imaginea României ca destinație turistică a fost concentrată și de alte proiecte: albumul foto Eterna și fascinanta Românie, 1996, încadrat într-un scandal politic în care parlamentarii PDSR au fost acuzați de luare de miră și abuz în serviciu, Imaginează-ți România, 2005 – o inițiativă a Grupul de Inițiativă pentru Promovarea Imaginii de Țară a României. Scopul acesteia a fost organizarea de seminarii și workshopuri urmărind dezbaterea imaginii României cu finalitatea inițierii unor proiecte pentru promovarea imaginii țării, dar efectul ei a fost minim. În cadrul unui seminar organizat de publicațiile Banii Noștri și Eurolider cu ocazia primei ediții a Conferinței Internaționale de Branding, Simon Anholt afirma „România va trebui să-și cristalizeze acum identitatea națională, altfel riscă să fie ștearsă de pe hartă în zece ani și să devină un cartier al Europei”, ceea ce înseamnă că simbolurile românești trebuie să fie valorificate în campaniile publicitare în încercarea de a construi un brand.
Astfel, putem conchide faptul că din brandul unei țări pot face parte atât caracteristicile negative ale locuitorilor, cât și cele pozitive și, de aceea, orice stat ar trebui să își gestioneze propria imagine. Astfel, șansele de reușită ale unui brand de țară eficient cresc în măsura în care toți factorii implicați sunt gestionați corespunzător atât la nivel comunicațional, cât și social.
Relații publice în mediul online
Roxana Firoiu, PR Executive la SmartPoint, face câteva considerații asupra evoluției și transformării relațiilor publice de-a lungul timpului. Aceasta menționează că accesul tot mai răspândit la rețelele sociale modifică în mod constant strategia campaniilor de comunicare, teritoriu iportant câștigând componenta de social media, care, ,,dacă până acum era nice-to-have, acum s-a transformat în must-have”. În aceeași notă, H. M. Bădău (2011, p. 11) menționează că social media a reprezentat o adevărată revoluție în ceea ce privește informația, fenomen asemănător Revoluției Industriale.
1.2.1 Campanii tradiționale de relații publice versus campanii online
Revoluția digitalului a reprezentat o mare oportunitate pentru omenire, și implicit pentru procesele comunicaționale, care au fost cu mult ușurate. Viteza informației, accesibilitatea ei, spațiul infinit de stocare, prețul mult mai mic de distribuție sau ambalarea ei în diferite forme reprezintă doar câteva dintre avantajele relațiilor publice online. Cititorii devin producători de informație, relațiile interumane capătă o nouă dimensiune, cea a comunicării multidimensionale, iar lumea virtuală devine atât de importantă, încât se suprapune cu cea reală. (Bădău, 2011)
Conform lui D. Scott (2010), relațiile publice din trecut reprezentau un efort enorm de a crea și a menține o relație cu mass-media. Acesta afirma că înainte de dezvoltarea web-ului și a proceselor de relații publice online, organizațiile aveau la dispoziție doar două modalități prin care puteau să-și promoveze serviciile/imaginea/produsele: să plătească pentru reclame costisitoare sau să obțină susținerea jurnaliștilor. Web-ul a schimbat regulile și a început să dezvolte relații direct cu publicurile. Acestea încep să cunoască din ce în ce mai bine Internetul, să îl utilizeze. Astfel, specialiștii în domeniu pot utiliza ca o sursă foarte importantă resursele oferite chiar de publicuri care în general dețin adrese de email, bloguri, site-uri, podcast-uri și care mențin în același timp legătura și cu media tradiționale. Monitorizarea permanentă a acestor resurse este una esențială în conceperea unei campanii online.
Nimic din ceea ce expuneau vechile reguli de relații publice nu mai este valabil astăzi. Toate acestea reprezintă vechea idee de relații publice. Scott (2010) analizează acest aspect și menționează câteva dezavantaje ale PR-ului tradițional:
apariția unor anumite produse/campanii doar în presă;
transmiterea informațiilor către jurnaliști prin comunicate de presă (văzut doar de un număr limitat de reporteri și editori);
trimiterea unui comunicat de presă doar dacă era nevoie de extinderea unui anunț important;
ușurința întelegerii jargonului de către toți jurnaliștii;
imposibilitatea răspândirii unui comunicat din care lipseau părerile cumpărătorilor, analiștilor, experților;
posibilitatea accesului la comunicatele de presă a cumpărătorilor doar în cazul în care acesta conținea idei referitoare la ei;
măsurarea unui comunicat prin „clip book-urile” care înștiințau de fiecare dată jurnaliștii care doreau să preia un comunicat;
diferențierea dintre marketing și relații publice, fără existența unei punți de legătură.
Digitalul influențează și modul în care profesioniștii în relații publice își desfășoară munca. Scott (2010) spune că dacă în trecut comunicatele de presă erau tipărite și transmise prin poștă sau fax, astăzi ele sunt scrise direct pe computer și trimise prin email. Ba mai mult, a apărut un nou tip de comunicat: video-comunicatul de presă, care are mare succes și este transmis prin satelit sau pe Internet.
În același timp, noile tehnologii de comunicare aduc, pe lângă numeroasele lor avantaje, și provocări neașteptate. Tocmai de aceea, pregătirea mesajelor pentru online ar trebui să implice o muncă de creație mult mai elaborată și mai aplicată decât pentru media tradiționale, datorită diversificării mult mai clare a publicurilor și a paginilor web specializate pe anumite domenii.
Deși la o primă vedere pare foarte complicat de a găsi dezavantaje în utilizarea Internetului în folosul relațiilor publice, lucrurile se schimbă la o reflecție mai profundă asupra subiectului.
Una dintre probleme este intimitatea și securitatea în această eră digitală în care trăim. Foarte multe organizații se confruntă cu această problemă, din moment ce dezvoltarea noilor tehnologii permite descoperirea unor informații private, localizarea anumitor indivizi sau distribuirea unor date care practic țin de intimitate. Acest lucru poate afecta foarte mult o organizație.
Un exemplu în acest sens este tehnologia RFID (Radio Frequency Identification), spune Alina Bordeianu, blogger. Radio Frequency Identification este folosită într-o serie variată de domenii care pot descoperi informații private. O altă aplicație care poate determina aceeași problemă este Google Earth-ul, care permite utilizatorilor să călătorească în orice zonă de pe Glob, însă puțini cetățeni realizează faptul că oricine le poate vizualiza casa cu foarte mare ușurință. Acestea sunt doar câteva dintre problemele create de era digitală, probleme de care se poate folosi oricine, inclusiv practicienii de relații publice.
1.2.2 Relațiile publice și rețeaua socială
Relațiile publice reprezintă un domeniu care se află în continuă evoluție, ceea ce le permite practicienilor de relații publice să comunice prin moduri și căi din ce în ce mai diverse, bazându-se foarte mult pe instrumentele de social media prin care consumatorii/utilizatorii pot să coopereze la realizarea unei campanii. R. Brown (2009, p. 3) este de părere că ,,în trecut, organizațiile decideau cu privire la imaginea pe care doreau s-o transmită și la modul în care se dorea ca diversele categorii de public să o perceapă […] apoi ar cădea pe umerii specialiștilor de PR pentru a face să se întâmple asta”. Ceea ce s-a întâmplat în prezent este că organizațiile au pierdut controlul ordinii acțiunilor și ceea ce trebuie să facă este să să participe la conversațiile pe care le au publicurile.
Procesul de comunicare în campaniile de relații publice este privit din mai multe puncte de vedere, toate pornind de la modelele clasice: modelul agentului de presă, modelul informării publicului, modelul comunicării bilaterale asimetrice și cel al comunicării bilaterale simetrice. (Hunt și Grunig, 1984, apud Coman, 2006, p. 35).
Modelul agentului de presă îi aparține lui P.T. Barnum și reprezintă cea mai veche formă de relații publice; o comunicare unidirecțională, în care scopul este propaganda, iar informația transmisă este incompletă și numi parțial adevărată.
Modelul informării publicului (Ivy Lee) are drept scop diseminarea informațiilor, comunicând unidirecțional de la sursă către receptor, punând adevărul pe primul plan.
Modelul comunicării bilaterale asimetrice a apărut ca un concept propus de Edward L. Bernays și are ca scop persuasiunea științifică printr-o comunicare bidirecțională, cu efecte dezechilibrate, dar în care feedback-ul este o noțiune importantă.
Modelul comunicării bilaterale simetrice (Edward L. Bernays) descrie orientarea relațiilor publice în care organizațiile și publicurile se adaptează una la cealaltă. Acesta se concentrează pe utilizarea metodelor științelor sociale pentru a atinge înțelegerea reciprocă și comunicarea bidirecțională.
Într-o eră în care campaniile de relații publice se bazează pe coproducție (împreună cu utilizatorii, publicul-țintă), comunicarea este considerată a fi bilaterală simetrică. Intervine aici faptul că toți consumatorii doresc să fie informați și să ia decizii bazate pe informațiile primite, totodată ajutând și la procesul de producție, iar una dintre cele mai mai realizări ale web-ului este posibilitatea utilizatorilor de a participa la informație și de a crea conținut prin social media (Breakenridge, 2008).
În cele din urmă, opțiunea organizațiilor este una simplă: fie să ia parte la aceste conversații sau nu. Ceea ce trebuie acestea să înțeleagă este că, chiar dacă aleg să nu participe la conversațiile pe care publicurile le au, nu înseamnă că dezbaterile nu vor continua. Dialogul va continua și fără prezența organizațiilor. ,,Acest lucru înseamnă că, pentru companiile din viitor, alegerea nu este simplă deloc. În fond, nu există nicio alegere. Brandurile vor trebui să participe la dialog pentru a supraviețui. Consumatorul cere asta și noi toți ar trebui să acceptăm. Mai multe capete sunt mai bune decât unul.” (Brown, 2009, p. 18).
1.2.3 Caracteristici ale publicurilor online
Fără nicio îndoială, putem afirma faptul că publicurile joacă un rol important în realizarea unei campanii. Opiniile și reacțiile lor pot stârni adevărate controverse în mediul online, pornind de la cel mai nepopular subiect, până la teme de actualitate, dezbătute în mass-media. Din moment ce milioane de utilizatori își petrec din ce în ce mai mult timp utilizând site-uri (portaluri de știri, rețele sociale, site-uri cu conținut video etc.), aceste medii online devin din ce în ce mai relevante pentru strategiile comunicaționale ale organizațiilor. Totuși, modul în care se poate comunica pe astfel de site-uri, în condițiile în care regulile sociale și culturale sunt chiar mai puternice decât cele legale, rămâne o problemă.
În același timp, consumatorii sunt împuterniciți de tehnologiile digitale să-și exprime opiniile mult mai puternic prin intermediul site-urilor sociale, inclusiv creându-și și postându-și propriile videoclipuri sau comentând împortivă practicilor organizaționale pe care le consideră incorecte. Pentru multe organizații devine o adevărată provocare să răspundă eficient unor astfel de atacuri. Transparența, reacția imediată și claritatea reprezintă elemente cheie în acest proces
Mijloacele social media oferă modurile prin care oamenii fac schimb de idei, conținut, gânduri și relații, folosind internetul. Prin intermediul acestora, oricine poate genera conținut, poate comenta asupra a ceea ce au creat alții, dar își poate îmbogăți și postarea inițială. Aceste mijloace pot lua forme dintre cele mai diverse (Bădău, 2011): publicare de texte, împărtășirea de fotografii, imagini video sau date audio, microblog-uri, vizualizări în direct, lumi virtuale, jocuri, aplicații, agregatori, RSS, căutare, instrumente mobile, instrumente interpersonale și altele ce pot fi folosite în cadrul unei campanii online.
Potrivit unui studiu american publicat de prdaily.com în 2011, 83% dintre companiile B2B sunt active pe social media, iar 54% intenționează să-și mărească bugetul alocat pentru social media. Companiile folosesc mai multe canale online simultan, dar cele mai cunoscute sunt:
Twitter – 85%
Facebook – 74%
LinkedIn – 72%
Youtube – 69%
Corporate blogs 60%
Așadar, publicurile online dețin o mare parte din putere în ceea ce privește succesul sau eșecul unei campanii. The European Communication Monitor (ECM), împreună cu cinci profesori universitari, conduși de A. Zerfass, au realizat un studiu în rândul publicurilor online cu privire la aspecte din procesul de relații publice și dinamica rețelelor sociale.
Tot în acest studiu, un element important de reținut este preferința românilor pentru distribuirea de conținut foto, în detrimentul weblog-urilor sau a serviciilor location-based (cum ar fi aplicațiile mobile ce pot detecta cel mai apropiat restaurant sau unde se află o persoană). Procentul pentru distribuirea conținutului foto a fost de 67,4% în rândul românilor, aceștia fiind surclasați doar de către sârbi, 69,5% dintre ei optând pentru acest tip de conținut.
Interesant, dar nu surprinzător, marea majoritate a profesioniștilor în comunicare din Europa nu observă o diferență în comunicare între comportamentul diferitelor generații, uneori etichetate ca nativi digitali (persoane cu vârsta sub 30 de ani) și generația în vârstă (persoane cu vârste peste 30 de ani). Totuși, diferențele există, oricât de mici de ar fi, astfel că cei cu vârsta sub 30 de ani sunt mai interactivi, mai implicați în comunicare și mai concentrați pe subiecte relevante decât cei mai în vârstă, dar au și mai puțină frică de autoritate și nu sunt conformiști, spre deosebire de cei cu vârste mai înaintate.
Trecerea frontierelor, atât privat, cât și profesional este ceva familiar pentru majoritatea practicienilor care lucrează într-un context european. Datele ECM 2013 arată că comunicarea internațională este considerată o parte din afacerile de zi cu zi pentru opt din zece profesioniști. Mai mult decât atât, importanța comunicării la nivel internațional a organizațiilor respondenților a fost evaluată la un procent de 68,3%. În plus, 72,5% dintre respondenți recunosc creșterea importanței comunicării la nivel internațional în următorii trei ani. În contrast puternic cu aceasta, un procent de 47.3% dintre organizațiile respondente a dezvoltat deja structuri și strategii solide pentru comunicare internațională. Acest lucru pare a fi un domeniu major de dezvoltare în cadrul practicii în viitorul apropiat.
În același studiu, România a fost singura țară din cele trei incluse din Europa de Est care distribuie cele mai multe mesaje via rețelele sociale, știe despre trendurile în social media, manageriază comunități web și dezvoltă noi strategii în online. Din acest punct de vedere, România se clasează pe același loc cu Olanda, Serbia, Suedia, rezultând faptul că social media este din ce în ce mai importantă în livrarea mesajelor, oferind specialiștilor în PR o nouă perspectivă asupra creării strategiilor campaniilor.
1.2.4 Strategii de implicare a publicurilor în mediul online
Strategiile folosite în cadrul unei campanii de relații publice sunt în număr de cinci (Foot, Schneider, 2006): strategia de informare, strategia de conectare, strategia de implicare și participare, strategia de mobilizare și ultima, dar una dintre cele mai importante, strategia de interactivitate. Acestea rezidă din premisele strategiilor utilizate în campaniile electorale (Foot, Schneider, 2006).
Strategia de informare este una indispensabilă oricărui site și poate fi conceptualizată ca fiind fundamentală pentru orice practică web, fiindcă absolut orice structură online prezintă informații. Astfel, strategia de informare este ilustrată pe o pagină web prin vizibilitatea unor informații ca: misiunea, viziunea, texte privind obiectivele campaniei, informații generale despre problema în cauză, declarații, discursuri, comunicate de presă, prezentări de materiale audio, video, reclame ce au fost difuzate și în alte medii decât cel online. C. Cmeciu (2013) precizează faptul că actualizarea permanentă a website-ului reprezintă o cerință necesară pentru ca informarea să fie persuasivă, chiar și în lipsa unui feedback al vizitatorilor.
Strategia de conectare creează anumite legături în rețea, legături ce pot fi puternice sau slabe, interne sau externe, în funcție de puterea nodurilor în rețea (Foot, Schneider, 2006, apud Cmeciu, 2013, p. 136). „Credibilitatea și transparența organizațională se pot obține prin legăturele interne spre website-urile, blog-urile sau paginile de Facebook și Twitter ale angajaților. Legăturile externe se centrează pe website-urile autorităților sau ale partenerilor.” (Cmeciu, 2013, p. 136). Această strategie este cea care face posibilă comunicarea între organizație și publicurile ei diverse: consumatori, autorități, angajați, parteneri, membrii comunității online etc.
Pentru strategia de conectare există anumite tactici Web 1.0: link-uri către departamentele organizației, către website-urile unor asociații, către campanii similare, către ediții anterioare ale campaniei, spre website-uri guvernamentale, în direcția partenerilor implicați în campanie, către instituții educaționale, link-uri către organizați religioase, spre website-urile unor instituții mass-media, către website-urile cetățenilor sau către motoare de căutare și anumite tactici corespunzătoare Web 2.0: link-uri către blogurile angajaților, către bloggeri influenți, susținători ai campaniei, link-uri spre pagina de Facebook a campaniei, către Twitter sau către alte instrumente de social media, RSS, link-uri către Wikipedia, etichetarea participanților în diverse materiale foto/ video etc.
Strategia de implicare sau participare se bazează pe utilizarea unor instrumente care permit generarea de conținut propriu și de clasare a conținuturilor celorlalți utilizatori (Cmeciu, 2013, p.141). Prin acestea, „vizitatorii se transformă în participanți activi la nivel digital” (Foot, Schneider, 2006, p. 70). Tactici specifice Web 1.0: distribuire de conținut prin e-mail, streaming audio, sondaje online, petiții online, licitații online etc. și altele caracteristice Web 2.0: generare de conținut, postări video personale ale evenimentelor, discursurilor, coproducerea de albume foto de la evenimente, opțiunea de a pune într-o ordine crescătoare/descrescătoare anumite secțiuni ale website-ului: („cele mai citite”, „cele mai comentate”, „cele mai vizitate” ), voturi online, jocuri, accesarea unor aplicații, atragerea de adepți, abonarea la bloguri etc.
Strategia de mobilizare este „folosită pentru a persuada susținătorii campaniei să promoveze acțiunile campaniei atât în mediul virtual, cât și în mediul real” (Foot, Schneider, 2006, p. 131, apud Cmeciu, 2013, p. 142). Cu alte cuvinte, aceasta se distinge de strategia de implicare/ participare prin faptul că transpune acțiunile vizitatorilor în mediul real.
Tacticile folosite pentru Web 1.0 sunt: înscrierea online în organizație, înrolarea online ca voluntar al campaniei, înscrierea online ca participant la evenimente, sprijin online pentru campanie, secțiunea „Spune unui prieten”, distribuire prin e-mail, descărcarea materialelor promoționale pentru campanie, magazinul virtual al campaniei (obiecte personalizate, felicitări digitale), donații online, strângere de fonduri, pe când cele specifice Web 2.0 sunt: premii pentru a deveni membru al comuniății, calendar personal pentru evenimentele campaniei, susținerea unei cauze (prin voturi), recomandarea făcută unui prieten online, invitații postate pe rețele de socializare, concursuri online, materiale promoționale postate pe diverse blog-uri sau site-uri, creare de cont pe platforma campaniei.
Strategia de interactivitate subliniază trecerea de la comunicarea unidirecțională spre cea bilateral simetrică, prin reacțiile consumatorilor, clienților, membriilor platformei digitale. Implicare se poate realiza prin postarea de comentarii sau prin forumul de discuții. Există tactici specifice Web 1.0 pentru această strategie: facilitare de contact, forum de discuții online, cameră de discuții, dialog prin e-mail cu reprezentanții organizației, facilitatea de comentare a știrilor, secțiunea de opinie, FAQ, și bineînțeles, specifice Web 2.0: comentarii pe blog, comentarii pe Facebook, comentarii pe Twitter, comentarii pe YouTube, programe colaborative, existența unor grupuri (Facebook, MySpace), social bookmarking, facilități de a discuta cu reprezentanți ai companiei, forum, live chat, jocuri interactive (Cmeciu, 2013).
Analiza mesajelor în campaniile de relații publice
Indiferent de forma în care apar (bloguri, podcasturi sau videoclipuri pe Youtube), Internetul și rețeaua World Wide Web au transformat modurile în care publicurile au acces la informație. Rolul tradițional al gatekeeperilor mediatici este în continuă schimbare. Mai mult decât atât, un spectru larg de tehnologii, de la sateliți, până la telefoane mobile și video-comunicate de presă au devenit instrumente standard care continuă să influențeze practicile și politicile de relații publice.
În viziunea lui Dagenais, ,,mesajul este făcut pentru a seduce, a persuada, a convinge. El nu este neutru” (2003, p. 296)
În funcție de platforma pe care apar, mesajele sunt construite diferit. Specialistul în relații publice trebuie să valorifice fiecare diferitele suporturi mediatice pentru a valorifica la maximum informația și mesajul transmis. În opinia lui McGuire (1968, apud Dagenais, 2003, p. 296-297), un mesaj, pentru a-și atinge scopul, trebuie să parcurgă o serie de etape :
– să fie prezentat publicului-țintă ; un mesaj bun încredințat unui canal de presă sau unui suport care nu atinge publicul-țintă este un mesaj fără efect;
– să atragă atenția, adică să trezească interesul publicului-țintă; mesajul trebuie să fie însă diferit de celelalte – sute – care bombardează zilnic indivizii, pentru a putea trece de bariera percepției selective;
– să fie înțeles: acest lucru depinde de limbaj, de conținut, de atitudinea receptorului;
– să fie acceptat: un mesaj poate fi receptat și înțeles, dar respins ;
– să fie reținut: mesajul trebuie, apoi, „absorbit” de receptor;
– să determine acțiunea, adică exact ceea ce vizează orice mesaj
– să convingă receptorul să se comporte conform sugestiilor sursei.
1.3.1 Persuasiunea
Persuasiunea este concepută ,,ca fiind procesul de schimbare a opiniilor, atitudinilor sau comportamentelor unor persoane, prin expunerea la mesaje transmise cu scopul de a influența opiniile, atitudinile sau comportamentele lor” (Chelcea, 2001, p. 34).
Doug Newsom et alii scriu: ,,Atitudinile și opiniile publicurilor îi interesează în mare măsură pe relaționiști, însă este de o și mai mare importanță ce fac aceste publicuri. Acest punct de vedere este reflectat șide înlocuirea modelului comunicării prin modelul comportamental, ca bază teoretică de sprijin în relațiile publice” (2003, p. 257).
Un alt autor, Bernard Dagenais, își intitulează un subcapitol al cărții ,,Campania de relații publice”: ,,Comunicarea este persuasiune” și argumentează această afirmație prin următoarea definiție: ,,A persuada înseamnă a face pe cineva să creadă ceva, să fie convins de acel lucru sau să dorească să facă ceva anume, cu o adeziune totală. Comunicare nu este, deci, doar o împărtășire de informații; ea reprezintă dorința de schimbare și reflectă o intenție de a da un sens anume realității” (2003, p. 31).
Kapferer (2002, p.21) spune că oamenii manifestă rezerve față de cuvântul persuasiune (care ar fi devenit tabu), preferând sintagma „m-a convins” în locul celei “m-a persuadat”, fiindcă percep persuasiunea ca pe o înfrângere, o plecăciune, sau o recunoaștere a puterii celuilalt. Rezerva față de persuasiune ar fi, după Kapferer, o remanență a criticii fundamentale a retoricii, elaborată de Platon în Gorgias. ,,Aceasta i-ar da oratorului puterea să transforme răul în bine și binele în rău și este dăunătoare deopotrivă publicului și oratorului.”
În termenii persuasiunii ca știință, Charles Larson (2003) identifică latura cantitativă a persuasiunii prin modalitatea obiectivă de abordare, prin variabilele controlate și măsurate care impun o dublă consecință:
cunoaștere a omului (nevoi, dorințe, mecanisme psihice), a grupurilor unei societăți, într-un cuvânt, a opiniei publice;
abordare critică printr-un control asupra modalităților de măsurare a rezultatelor și a definirii efectelor, ca și prin trasarea unui set de reguli care pot servi drept model pentru contexte viitoare unde se va folosi persuasiunea.
Se pare că persuasiunea este o problemă importantă în procesul de comunicare. Așa cum reiese din afirmațiile autorilor amintiți mai sus, persuasiunea are în vedere schimbarea a ceva în mintea cuiva. Punctele comune pe care ,,cad de acord” autorii în definițiile lor sunt schimbarea atitudinii interlocutorului într-o situație de comunicare. Cu atât mai mult, atitudinea schimbată trebuie să fie neapărat transformată în comportament ireversibil, ca procesul de persuasiune să fie considerat un succes.
1.3.2 Mesajele generate de publicuri
În comunicarea online, publicurile au un mare rol în ceea ce privește aportul lor în evoluția și evaluarea unei campanii, adică pot genera mesaje, accentuând comunicarea bilaterală.
Mesajul unei campanii trebuie să aibă ca premisă ,,cunoașterea poziției publicurilor și a situației de impas” (Cutlip, Center și Broom, 2010, p. 372). Așa cum vorbeam mai sus despre necesitatea ca un mesaj să fie persuasiv, este important ca acesta să stârnească în rândul publicului care intră în contact cu informația emoții, să îndrume imediat la acțiune. (Cutlip, Center și Broom, 2010)
Teoria publicurilor implicate (stakeholders) oferă un cadru pentru înțelegerea felului în care indivizii, grupurile și alte organizații ajung să interacționeze cu o anume organizație. Interesul pentru aceste tipuri de public trebuie să conducă la acțiuni de management strategic, în măsură să definească strategii de comunicare adecvate profilului, intereselor și așteptărilor fiecărui public.
Majoritatea lucrărilor din acest domeniu vorbesc despre susținători (,,stakeholders”) și public. Primii reprezintă ,,acele persoane care pot afecta sau sunt afectate de acțiunile, deciziile, politicile, practicile sau scopurile organizației" (R.E. Freeman, 1984, apud Coman, 2006, p. 24). Autorul amintit consideră că orice departament de relații publice trebuie să inventarieze publicurile legate de organizație și să construiască o ,,hartă a susținătorilor"; aceștia vor constitui obiectivul principal al programelor de comunicare concepute de specialiștii în relații publice.
Heath a clasificat publicurile implicate în publicuri definitie ca active, actori din interiorul domeniului unei organizații, potențiali activiști, consumatori, angajați, legislatori, investitori, vecini, mass media (pentru o sinteză a clasificărilor publicurilor, C. Coman, 2001, p. 25-29). Fiecare tip de public implicat are reacții specifice în funcție de situații: în momentele de crize unele publicuri devin foarte active, iar altele sunt în așteptarea unei reacții din partea organizației. De asemenea, datorită intereselor diferite, publicurile implicate pot să fie în relații de competiție sau conflict unele cu altele. Acest lucru creează mari dificultăți în alcătuirea mesajelor de relații publice: un accent prea mare pus pe problemele unui grup (pentru a răspunde aspirațiilor acestui tip de public) poate conduce la nemulțumire din partea altui public. Din această cauză studierea publicurilor reprezintă o prioritatea pentru activitatea de relații publice.
Acesta este motivul pentru care un element important în persuasiunea publicurilor în reprezintă apelul la activarea emoțiilor discrete. Dillard și Pfau (2002, p. 220) amintesc de afirmația lui Campbell ,,persuasiunea nu poate avea loc în absența pasiunii”, astfel reliefând faptul că actul de a convinge publicurile trebuie să stârnească afecte, emoții în rândurile acestora. Conform lui Ortony, Clore, & Collins, 1988 (apud Dillard, Pfau, 2002, p. 213), ,,emoțiile sunt în general privite ca stări mentale interne care reprezintă reacții evaluative la evenimente, agenți externi sau obiecte, care variază în intensitate”.
Relevante în acest context sunt teoriile funcționale ale emoțiilor, teorii ce pornesc de la lucrările lui Darwin și pot fi sintetizate în patru principii. În primul rând, emoțiile au funcții de adaptare inerente. În al doilea rând, emoțiile sunt bazate pe evenimente care sunt personal relevante. În al treilea rând, fiecare emoție are un alt scop față de celelalte, care poate fi recunoscut prin tendința de acțiune a individului într-o situație dată. În al patrulea rând, emoțiile sunt organizatori și motivatori de comportament. (Arnold, 1960; Buck, 1985; Frijda, 1986, 1988; Izard, 1977; Lang, 1995; Lazarus, 1991; LeePer, 1948; Ortony et al., 1988; Plutchik, 1980a, 1980b; Roseman, 1984; Scherer, 1984; Tomkins, 1962, apud Dillard, Pfau, 2002).
Pe baza acestor principii, se poate spune că procesul emoțiilor implică perceperea, în primul rând, a unui obiect sau a un eveniment din mediul înconjurător și apoi evaluarea relevanței sale pentru bunăstarea personală a individului care, bazându-se și pe experiențele din trecut, va acționa conform acestora. Astfel, importanța emoțiilor provocate de un mesaj nu trebuie ocolită, deoarece poate reprezenta un instrument folositor în procesul de persuasiune.
Lazarus (1991, apud Dillard și Pfau, 2002, p. 214) prezintă esența fiecărei emoții discrete, fie ea negativă sau pozitivă (Figura 2). Pe lângă acestea, alți teoreticieni au adăugat emoții ca invidie, dispreț, mândrie, dragoste, alinare, speranta, compasiune, surpriză, interes și anticipare.
Figura 2 – Principalele emoții și cauzele declanșării acestora (Lazarus, 1991, apud Dillard și Pfau, 2002)
Pornind de la tabelul lui Lazarus, Dillard și Pfau (2002, p. 215-221) au prezentat următoarele aspecte despre fiecare emoție:
Frica este, în general activată atunci când o situație este percepută ca amenințătoare, atât pentru sinele fizic, cât și pentru sinele psihologic, situație care nu poate fi controlată. Situațiile periculoase pot fi percepute nativ, înnăscut sau învățate,iar frica indivizilor poate fi determinată de factori biologici și de context socio-cultural, precum și de diferențele individuale și experiențele trăite.
Vinovăția apare atunci când se încalcă unul dintre codurile personale, fie el moral, etic, religios. Deși cauzele de vinovăție variază foarte mult în funcție de religii și culturi, vina este, de obicei, experimentată în contextul unei relații interpersonale. Caracterizată de un sentiment de ,,măcinare” când cineva a făcut ceva greșit, tendința de acțiune este de a ispăși sau a repara prejudiciul cauzat și, probabil, de a căuta pedeapsa pentru fapta făcută.
Furia are cauze specifice, bazate pe experiența personală, condiționată cultural și învățată social. Aceasta apare atunci când în calea atingerii unui scop interferează obstacole sau se aduc ofense umilitoare contra sinelui sau a celor dragi. Furia este asociată cu o atenție extrem de concentrată și o dorință de a riposta atacului inițial sau de a obține răzbunare. Caracterizată prin mobilizare și susținerea unui nivel ridicat de energie, furia poate conduce de multe ori la rezolvarea problemelor într-un mod constructiv, deși impulsivitatea asociată cu furie extremă poate fi contraproductivă.
Tristețea este provocată de o pierdere fizică sau psihologică sau de separare, fie reală sau imaginară, sau de incapacitatea de a atinge un obiectiv. Cei care se confruntă cu tristețea se simt izolați, melancolici, și au un sentiment de resemnare, iar tendința lor de acțiune este mai degrabă una de inacțiune sau retragere în sine pentru a solicita confort sau insista pe ceea ce a fost pierdut.
Dezgust. Stârnit de obiecte sau idei care sunt fie organic sau psihic defecte (de exemplu, anumite alimente, produse de corp, comportamente sexuale, infracțiuni morale), dezgustul rezultă din apropierea sau contactul cu un obiect sau o idee nocivă (Lazarus, 1991). Deși ar putea avea un caracter reflexiv puternic, răspunsul de dezgust este în mare parte cufundat în practicile culturale învățate, și la fel ca alte emoții (de exemplu, frica, furie), aceasta servește ca un mecanism de protecție pentru corp, suflet, și ordinea socială în sine.
Invidia. Deși invidia și gelozia pot fi considerate emoții diferite, prima se referă la dorința de a avea ceea ce are altcineva și a doua referindu-se la a fi iritat față de pierdere sau amenințare la adresa afecțiunii altuia sau atingerea unui obiectiv, cele două sunt de multe ori combinate în limba engleză (Smith, Kim, & Parrot, 1988). Invidia este stimulată atunci când dorim cu nerăbdare ceea ce posedă altcineva; astfel, sentimentul său subiectiv este unul de tânjeală, și tendința de acțiune mobilizează individul să caute ceea ce este râvnit (Lazarus, 1991). Indirect influențată atât de factori sociali, psihologici și culturali (Salovey & Rothman, 1991), invidia poate promova rezultate pozitive dacă suntem motivați de a ne crește eforturile de reușită, dar dacă suntem distrași din realizare, invidia poate duce la nefericire, resentimente, și în cele din urmă la respingere (Lazarus, 1991).
Fericirea/bucuria. Fericirea este adesea conceptualizată ca o emoție asemănătoare cu o stare de spirit, în timp ce bucuria este privită în general ca un răspuns emoțional la un eveniment specific. În acest context cei doi termeni vor fi folosiți ca sinonime pentru a reflecta ultima emoție. În acest sens, fericirea poate fi văzută ca starea de a obține sau de a face progrese în ceea ce se dorește (Izard, 1977; Lazarus, 1991). Deși factorii de personalitate și cei culturali, precum și propriile noastre percepții și procesele de gândire pot influența circumstanțele și măsura în care experimentăm fericirea.
Mândria. Mândria este caracterizată de o creștere a stimei de sine, ca o consecință a asumării meritului pentru o realizare, fie că e proprie sau a cuiva cu care ne identificăm (Lazarus, 1991; Lewis, 1993). Noțiunea de a ne atribui merite personale pentru o reușită, mai degrabă decât pur și simplu a ne bucura de rezultate, este caracteristica distinctivă între mândrie și fericire. Mândria este experimentată ca un sentiment de expansiune sau de ,,umflare în pene”, și promovează comportamente expresive, cum ar fi un anunț public asupra unei realizări. Deși mândria poate spori stima de sine, poate provoca, de asemenea, resentimente în cei mai puțin norocoși sau mai puțin recunoscuți.
Destinderea. Potrivit lui Lazarus (1991, apud Dillard și Pfau, 2002) destinderea are loc numai după ce un scop/obiectiv a fost atins. Astfel, această stare poate fi considerată ca atenuarea suferinței emoționale. Sentimentul subiectiv de destindere este unul de eliberare a tensiunii musculare, iar tendința de acțiune asociată este una de inacțiune – o scădere a încordării corpului, cu eliberarea de tensiune și încetarea vigilenței.
Speranța. Lazarus (1991, apud Dillard și Pfau, 2002) a recunoscut speranța ca o emoție problematică, deoarece aceasta este, după opinia lui, o emoție pozitivă, deși, cum este și destinderea, ea provine din circumstanțe negative. Speranța reprezintă o dorință pentru o situație mai bună decât cea din prezent, deseori atunci când șansele sunt împotriva unui rezultat pozitiv. Speranța este susținută de lumina așteptărilor incerte din viitor și este asociată cu un sentiment de dor, tânjeală. În timp ce speranța de multe ori ajută la atenuarea (dar nu ușurează) stresului emoțional, dus la extrem, se poate împiedica pe cineva de a atinge obiective mai realiste.
Compasiunea. Compasiunea este definită ca o preocupare altruistă pentru o altă suferință și dorința de a o elimina (Lazarus, apud Dillard și Pfau, 2002). Compasiunea este privită în general ca o emoție pozitivă, deși poate apărea ca răspuns la situații neplăcute, iar cei care demonstrează compasiune sunt adesea admirați, deoarece ei oferă sprijin social.
Complexitatea emoțiilor și a publicurilor implicate într-un proces de relații publice conduce la concluzia că PR-ul nu poate să se dezvolte prin privilegierea mijloacelor de persuasiune, deoarece acestea nu pot atinge în mod egal interesele și așteptările tuturor tipurilor de public. Scopul relațiilor publice trebuie să fie, în formularea lui R.L. Heath (apud Coman, 2006), ,,reducerea diferențelor" între viziunea organizației și viziunile publicurilor implicate.
Campania "Why don`t you come over?" – direcții de cercetare
Lucrarea de față își propune să analizeze campania "Why don`t you come over?", luând în considerare toate cadrele teoretice prezentate anterior. Însă pentru a trece mai departe, este necesară o scurtă prezentare a acesteia.
La sfârșitul lunii ianuarie 2012, ziarul The Guardian și-a invitat cititorii să pună în practică ideea guvernului Marii Britanii de a lansa o campanie anti-imigrație. Britanicii au reacționat, generând afișe ce aveau ca scop înlăturarea imigranților ce le-ar putea invada țara începând cu ianuarie 2014. Ziarul Gândul a lansat, de asemenea, o provocare cititorilor săi, propunând un răspuns umoristic campaniei britanice.
”We may not like Britain, but you will love Romania. Why don`t you come over?” (,,S-ar putea să nu ne placă Marea Britanie, dar voi o să iubiți România. De ce nu veniți la noi?”) a fost sloganul campaniei Gândul, GMP Advertising și Webstyler, dedicată englezilor și prejudecăților acestora despre România.
Strategia campaniei s-a axat pe trei mari etape, bazându-se pe distribuirea de materiale vizuale (afișe) în online, platforma principală de distribuție fiind gandul.info. Se pare că această campanie a fost concepută ca un răspuns rapid și amuzant la reacțiile britanicilor, care au fost bazate pe stereotipuri, așa cum însuși Mihai Gongu, inițiatorul campaniei declară: ,, De la început, demersul nu a fost de a veni cu ceva foarte serios, cu un argument că «Iată exact câte locuri de muncă sunt în România». Scopul a fost să dăm un răspuns obraznic, exact în stilul campaniei de acolo. Practic, campania este un răspuns la acel articol din The Guardian. Mesajele astea s-au vrut a fi un pic intrigante, să nu fie strict din latura economico-financiară. Unul dintre postere este despre chiria de aici. Cu banii cu care acolo stai o săptămână, aici stai o lună, inclusiv serile în pub. Erau print-uri și cu referințe economice, dar mi s-a părut mult mai juicy – pentru a genera buzz – să vorbim despre lucrurile simbol. Să vorbești despre Kate, despre Pippa, despre monarhia lor, despre bere, lucrurile cel mai iubite de către britanici.”
Într-o primă fază au fost realizate afișe prin care sunt oferite britanicilor motive să vină în România. Mesajele conținute de primele astfel de afișe au fost ”Charles bought a house here in 2005. And Harry never has been photographed naked once” (,,Charles a cumpărat o casă aici, în 2005. Iar Harry nu a mai fost fotografiat nud de atunci” – notă ironică asupra ipostazelor în care a apărut prințul Harry de-a lungul timpului) și ”We speak better English than anywhere you`ve been in France” (,,Noi vorbim mai bine limba engleză decât oriunde în Franța” – făcând referire la vacanțele pe care britanicii le petrec în Franța și la inabilitatea francezilor de a vorbi engleză).
O a doua etapă a campaniei a fost aceea în care românii s-au putut înscrie pentru a găzdui, în sistem coach-surfing, britanicii care doresc să vină în România. Pentru a face acest lucru, a fost creat site-ul campaniei – www.whydontyoucomeover.gandul.info/ – unde românii puteau să-și declare sprijinul în ceea ce privește găzduirea unui britanic pe propria canapea. În primele două zile de la lansarea celei de-a doua etape de campaniei, peste 300 de români răspunseseră invitației Gândul.
Cea de-a treia etapă a fost cea în care pe site-ul campaniei (www.whydontyoucomeover.gandul.info/) a fost lansată o secțiune de joburi pentru englezii atrași sau interesați de România. Mai mult decât atât, angajatorilor din România li s-a oferit posibilitatea de a-și înscrie singuri pe site-ul ,,www.whydontyoucomeover.co.uk” ofertele lor de joburi pentru britanici și nu numai.
În doar două săptămâni, campania s-a răspândit în toată lumea, implicând activ sute de mii de români și generând peste 100 de apariții în presa internațională, echivalentul a 2 milioane de euro free media. Campania de media relations gestionată de GMP a fost una dintre cele mai complexe ale grupului, implicând contact direct cu peste 50 de publicații de pe 5 continente. Succesul campaniei s-a datorat unui mix de creativitate, inovație, viteză de reacție. Campania a fost comentată în presa din SUA, Franța, Germania. Dezbătută inițial de instituțiile de presă din Marea Britanie, campania ,,Why Don’t You Come Over?” a ajuns și în SUA, preluată de agenția de știri Associated Press, dar și în Franța, unde jurnaliștii Le Monde au scris despre inițiativa The Guardian și răspunsul dat de Gândul.
Campania semnată de Grupul GMP pentru brandul Gândul.info a adunat un palmares bogat de premii, fiind probabil cea mai premiată campanie românească din 2013, printre care: Grand Prix – Digital Campaigns, Gold – PR Campaigns, Silver – Integrated Campaigns la Golden Drum 2013; Finalist la Cannes Lions 2013, categoria PR, subcategoriile crisis și media; Gold Medal la categoria PR Campaigns, AdStars 2013 și Nominalizare la European Excellence Awards.
1.4.1 Obiective de cercetare
Așa cum reiese din scurta prezentare de mai sus, campania generată de Gândul, GMP Advertising și Webstyler a avut ca premisă campania pornită de The Guardian împotriva valului de imigranți. Consider că această inițiativă se alătură multor altor campanii de acest fel, însă aceasta se distinge prin exprimarea creativă a temelor pe care le abordează și prin modul de expunere al lor, acestea viralizându-se rapid.
Astfel, dintre obiectivele acestei lucrări fac parte: identificarea temelor majore prin care românii sunt reprezentați de către britanici, identificarea unei tipologii în realizarea afișelor campaniei românești, identificarea temelor atinse în cadrul mesajelor, identificarea strategiilor de implicare a publicurilor online în campanie, identificarea tipurilor de emoții transmise de către publicul din România și Marea Britanie.
1.4.2 Ipoteze de cercetare
Ipotezele de cercetare ale acestei cercetări se bazează pe încercarea unei interpretări a materialelor campaniei. Ipotezele cercetării sunt următoarele:
I1. Afișele campaniei din Marea Britanie vor folosi într-o mai mare măsură tema de natură geografică și climatică sau meteorologică.
I2. Afișele campaniei românești se bazează mai mult pe teme economice și socio-politice.
I3. Campania ,,Why don`t you come over?” s-a bazat mai mult pe strategia de mobilizare și interactivitate a publicurilor online.
I4. Dacă reacțiile online ale britanicilor au fost negative, evocându-se sentimente de teamă și dezgust, reacțiile românilor au fost pozitive, exprimându-se speranță și mândrie.
Date fiind aceste ipoteze, în următoarea parte a lucrării voi explica corpusul de date care va fi analizat, ce metode vor fi folosite, precum și interpretarea lor, împreună cu validarea/invalidarea celor patru ipoteze.
CAPITOLUL 2
CAMPANIA ”WHY DON`T YOU COME OVER?” –
OPȚIUNI ȘI ETAPE METODOLOGICE
2.1 Metoda de cercetare: analiza de conținut
Pentru a evalua această campanie propusă de Gândul, dar și afișele propuse de britanici, consider că prima metodă și cea mai potrivită este analiza de conținut cantitativă și calitativă a categoriilor tematice. Analiza de conținut este un proces în care datele narative sunt împărțite în unități de analiză cu scopul de a examina conținutul unui anumit material pentru a identifica modele, teme sau prejudecăți (Leedy și Ormrod, 2005). În aceeași notă, analiza de conținut poate fi definită drept: ,,o metodă de studiere și analiză a comunicării într-o modalitate sistematică, obiectivă și cuantificabilă în scopul de a măsura variabile” (Chelcea, 2011, p. 11).
Unii autori, precum Bardin (1993, apud Moscovici și Bucshini, 2007), susțin gruparea temelor pe baza unor reguli în clase, numite categorii tematice. Din acest motiv, analiza tematică s-a mai numit și analiză categorială sau tematic-categorială.
În Encyclopedia of Public Relations, Robert Heath definește metoda calitativă ca o colectare de informații prin câteva metode: studiul de caz, cercetarea istorică sau secundară, focus-grupul, interviul, observația participativă și analiza de conținut. Astfel că datele colectate prin metoda calitativă pun probleme în interpretarea lor în alte domenii, ,,pentru că sunt strict legate de situația specifică în care acestea au fost puse cap la cap” (2005, p. 725). Același autor afirmă că analiza cantitativă ,,este aproape întotdeauna asociată cu evaluarea oficială numerelor” (2005, p. 728).
Aceste definiții demonstrează că analiza de conținut calitativă se concentrează pe o viziune integrată a datelor narative și contextelor lor specifice. Aceasta poate ajuta cercetătorii să înțeleagă realitatea socială într-un mod subiectiv, dar științific.
Pe de altă parte, Boje (2001, p. 122) spune că ,,există un amestec de deductiv și inductiv, etic și emic în analiza tematică”. Tot acesta definește cele două abordări – deductivă și inductivă – după cum urmează:
Oferind o viziune mai plastică asupra abordării deductive, autorul o plasează sub semnul ,,eticului” – ,,o abordare deductivă adună povești, cum ar fi marmura și le sortează după culori, mărimi și dungi în taxonomia «eticului»” (p. 122). Acesta se referă la faptul că în analiza tematică deductivă se pornește de la teorii deja existente care se aplică în analiza unui text sau a unui proces comunicațional.
În schimb, abordarea inductivă este caracterizată printr-un proces invers celui deductiv. Inducția se bazează pe principiul ,,emic”, adică ,,punctul de vedere intern al celui care spune povești” (p.123) – în acest caz, analizează un text. Astfel că în abordarea inductivă, se pornește de la observație pentru a se ajunge la crearea unei teorii specifice textului analizat.
Luând în considerare aceste aspecte, campania ,,Why don`t you come over?” va fi analizată folosind ambele metode de cercetare: analiza cantitativă și cea calitativă.
2.2 Analiza tematică – abordare structuralistă
În analiza tematică a mesajelor produse de către creatorii campaniei ,,Why don`t you come over?”, voi folosi o abordare structuralistă, deoarece consider că afișele folosite în campanie au fost create pe baza teoretică structuralistă a opozițiilor binare și a careului semiotic.
Structuralismul este un curent apărut în anii ‘50, în contextul reconfigurării spațiului intelectual francez (Jean-Renaud, 1998, citat în Rovența-Frumușani, 1999, p. 40). Fiind un ,,ansamblu original de reflecții teoretice asupra culturalului și socialului”, structuralismul introducea o nouă viziune asupra semnului: ,,semnele nu sunt importante prin ele însele, ci prin valoarea pe care o reprezintă”. (Rovența-Frumușani, 1999, p. 41).
În același context, amintim de opozițiile binare structuraliste. Pentru Levi-Strauss (Rovența-Frumușani, 1999), dimensiunea paradigmatică a limbajului, adică sistemul său de categorii, este cel mai important. Crearea categoriilor conceptuale în interiorul acestui sistem era, pentru el, esența actului de creare a sensului, iar în centrul acestui proces se afla structura pe care el a numit-o opoziția binară. Opoziția binară este un sistem format din două categorii legate care, în forma sa cea mai pură, cuprinde universul. Ea reprezintă procesul fundamental, universal de creare a sensului. Este universal deoarece este produsul structurii fizice creierului uman, fiind deci specific speciei noastre, și nu unei culturi sau societăți anume (Rovența-Frumușani, 1999).
Careul semiotic (Fig. 3), cunoscut și sub numele de careul lui Greimas (1975, apud Cmeciu, 2009, p. 129), este un instrument folosit în analiza structurală a relațiilor dintre semnele semiotice. Pornind de la opozițiile binare, acesta se bazează pe o relație mai complexă a două elemente care se află în opoziție. Cele trei tipuri de relații pe care se bazează careul semiotic sunt: contradicția, contrarietatea și implicația.
Fig. 3 – Careul semiotic (Greimas, 1975 apud Cmeciu, 2009)
S1 și S2 sunt în raport de contrarietate (aceste concepte nu pot fi adevărate în același timp, dar pot fi false simultan).
~S1 și ~S2 sunt în raport de subcontrarietate (acestea nu pot fi false concomitent, dar pot fi adevărate în același timp).
S1 și ~S1, pe de o parte, și S2 și ~ S2, pe de altă parte, sunt în raport de contradicție (nu se poate ca universala S1 sau S2 să fie adevărată și particulara~S1 sau ~S2 să fie falsă în același timp și totodată nu se poate ca particulara să fie falsă și universala să fie adevărată în același timp).
S1 și ~S2, pe de o parte, și S2 și ~ S1, pe de altă parte sunt în raport de implicație (ele nu pot fi adevărate și nici false în același timp).
Această metodă de cercetare este una pertinentă pentru prezenta lucrare deoarece, așa cum voi arăta într-un subcapitol viitor, unele afișe ale campaniei au fost construite pe pattern-ul unor opoziții care se încadrează în contexul careului semiotic. De exemplu, unul dintre afișe are următorul mesaj: ”Our draft beer is less expensive than your bottled water” (,,Berea noastră la draft este mai ieftină decât apa voastră îmbuteliată”).
După cum se observă, primele elemente evidente puse în antiteză sunt ,,berea” și ,,apa”. Opoziția binară clară aici este ,,berea la draft ieftină” și ,,apa îmbuteliată scumpă”, concepte reprezentative pentru cele două părți ale analizei.
Așadar, raportul calitate-preț exprimat în acest afiș este unul clar dintre cele două țări. Aplicând modelul lui Greimas, ,,berea” și ,,apa” sunt două elemente aflate într-un raport de contrarietate, ele fiind principalele subiecte pe care se construiește opoziția. Atributele evocate, aflate în antiteză, din mesajul afișului, ,,(berea la draft) ieftină” și ,,(apa îmbuteliată) scumpă” se află într-un raport de subcontrarietate, ele sugerând diferențele dintre cele două culturi. Totodată, conceptele ,,bere” și ,,ieftin”, respectiv ,,apă” și ,,scump” se află într-un raport de implicație , ele simbolizând faptul că în România, cele două nu pot fi adevărate și nu pot exista în această formulă.
Acesta este doar un exemplu de analiză a unui afiș. Teoria structuralistă a careului semiotic va fi aplicată și pe celelalte 16 afișe.
2.3 Corpusul de studiu aplicativ și schema de codificare
Materialele analizate pe parcursul acestei cercetări vor fi, în primul rând, afișele campaniei românești, în număr de 17 (Anexa 1), precum și afișele campaniei britanicilor (în număr de 17 – Anexa 2), campania care a determinat inițial ,,românii” să lanseze o asemenea acțiune de a combate stereotipurile existente asupra lor.
Consider că metoda de analiză pentru cele 34 de afișe să fie completată de metoda inductivă, stabilind șapte arii tematice de cercetare: Economie, Geografie, Gastronomie, Calități fizice, Calități intelectuale, Obiceiuri, Securitate. Aceste domenii au fost alese pe criterii generale, caracteristice unui stat și reprezentative pentru subiectul de față, datorită opoziției culturale dintre cele două țări în discuție. În textele afișelor se amintește de problemele financiare și economice ale Marii Britanii și României (Economie), de vremea neprielnică și de relieful statelor (pe care le-am inclus într-un domeniu mai extins, cu tematică geografică), de problemele politice și guvernamentale (Securitate), de calitățile (fizice și inelectuale) ale unui popor și de obiceiurile sale, precum și de alimentația fiecărei culturi (Gastronomie). Spre exemplu, tema de natură economică este ilustrată chiar în primul afiș al campaniei, ce are mesajul ”Our beer is less expensive than your bottled water” (,,Berea noastră e mult mai ieftină decât apa voastră îmbuteliată”), care subliniază diferențele de prețuri, în primul rând, precum și diferențele economice între cele două state. Pentru codarea temelor, am notat cu ,,1” prezența temei și cu ,,0” absența acesteia.
De asemenea, acestei cercetări vor fi supuse cinci articole referitoare la anunțul lansării campaniei, explicația motivelor și prezentarea afișelor, îndemnul creatorilor campaniei pentru români de a ajuta la dezvoltarea acesteia, precum și urmările pe care le-a avut această mișcare și recunoașterea internațională ce a rezultat, concretizată în premiile câștigate ulterior. Cele cinci articole au fost postate pe www.gandul.info, începând cu data de 26 ianuarie 2013 și terminând cu 9 decembrie 2013. (vezi Anexa 3)
Ca urmare a informațiilor prezentate în cele cinci articole din România, voi analiza, de asemenea, șase articole din presa britanică, din următoarele portaluri de știri: mirror.co.uk, bbc.com, theguardian.com. și blogul fleishmanhillard.com (Anexa 4), din perioada 27 ianuarie 2013 – 1 februarie 2013. Aceste articole reflectă subiecte ca: lansarea campaniei britanice ,,You won`t like it here”, anunțul lansării campaniei-răspuns din România (expus în trei publicații diferite), impresii ale britanicilor despre români, precum și un reportaj pe informațiile furnizate pe afișele campaniei de la GMP.
Desigur, aceste articole au avut reacții puternice în rândul cititorilor, care nu au întârziat să apară. Astfel, cele cinci articole postate pe gandul.info au generat 324 de comentarii, iar cele șase articole de pe publicațiile din Marea Britanie au însumat în total 1,082 comentarii. Cele 324 de comentarii de pe gandul.info și cele 1,082 comentarii însumate de la articolele publicațiilor britanice vor fi supuse unei analize cantitative, unde criteriile de analiză vor fi cele 11 tipuri de emoții amintite în capitolul anterior, de Dillard și Pfau: frica (,,au dreptate englezii: nu vă duceți în marea britanie – este plin de pedofili acolo !!” postat de Litty pe gandul.info la 30 ianuarie 2014), vinovăția (,,suntim hoții asta e și gata punem vina pe țiganii noi suntim hoțiii” postat de ion la 30 ianuarie 2013 pe gandul.info), furia (,,Ați citit articolul din The Guradian>? Asta spun ei acolo? Reatarzilor, ar trebui să fiți dați în judecată pentru dezinformare!!!” postat de Dante pe gandul.info la 31 ianuarie 2013), tristețea (,,De ani de zile scrie Daily Mail despre România, și doar știri negative, cred că au o divizie specială pentru asta…” postat de blablabla în gandul.info la 29 ianuarie 2013), dezgustul (,,Britanicii sunt niște snobi,scorțoși și reci,îngâmfați și nesociabili.Să stea liniștiți,că nu ne place chiar atât Marea Britanie,ce s vedem acolo,târfele lor bețive,* și puturoase ? păi româncele sunt zeițe pe lângă fufele alea ingălate,care nu sunt în stare de nimic” postat de cristina pe gandul.info la 31 ianuarie 2013), invidia (,,Toți vin doar pentru că britanicii au fost prea ,,de treabă” să accepte pe toată lumea și să ofere o șansă tuturor, iar acum e împânzită de toate pagubele și lichelele țărilor din estul europei și nu numai. Așa că…” postat de Alex Tudo pe gandul.info la 30 ianuarie 2013), fericirea/bucuria (,,Felicitări! O campanie care mă emoționează prin nivelul de eleganță, civilizație și coerență, atribute rar întâlnite în media românească. La cât mai multe astfel de idei!” postat de Flavia la 29 ianuarie 2013), mândria (,,cred că e un răspuns minunat la isteria din UK, bravo! Așa da!” postat de Vali în gandul.info la 2 februarie 2013), speranța (,,Mă bucur să văd aceasta campanie. Am stat 3 ani în Anglia și am simțit că nu suntem tratați egal ci la pachet!!! E timpul sa le dăm peste nas să fim tratați egal corect și demn” postat de Ana pe gandul.info la 1 februarie 2013), destinderea (”England vrea doar de rasă…:)) :)) :)) Rasă pură…:)):)):))” postat de rudy în gandul.info la 29 ianuarie 2013) și compasiunea (,,Și nu mai tot dați vina pe țigani. Uitați-vă în oglindă. Nu țiganii au împuțit țara în lung î-n lat ci românii. Așa că nu mai dați vina aiurea” postat de Valica pe gandul.info la 30 ianuarie 2013).
Publicurile online au avut un rol important în desfășurarea campaniei, creatorii acesteia au găsit modalități de a-i implica în activități. Pentru acest fapt, a fost lansat site-ul www.whydontyoucomeover.gandul.info, unde românii puteau să-și declare sprijinul în ceea ce privește găzduirea unui britanic pe propria canapea. De asemenea, în cea de-a treia etapă a campaniei, a fost lansată și o secțiune de joburi pentru englezii atrași sau interesați de România, unde angajatorii puteau posta ofertele lor de joburi pentru britanici și nu numai. Acest site va fi analizat din punct de vedere al celor cinci strategii propuse de Foot și Schneider (2006): strategia de informare, strategia de conectare, strategia de implicare și participare, strategia de mobilizare și ultima, dar una dintre cele mai importante, strategia de interactivitate. Dat fiind faptul că site-ul nu este unul complex, ci chiar unul simplu ca grafică și design, voi folosi o analiză cantitativă, în care criteriile vor fi cele cinci strategii enumerate anterior. Strategia de informare este ilustrată pe o pagină web prin vizibilitatea unor informații ca: misiunea, viziunea, texte privind obiectivele campaniei, informații generale despre problema în cauză, comunicate de presă, prezentări de materiale audio, video, reclame ce au fost difuzate și în alte medii decât cel online (aici se înscriu sloganul campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?”, împreună cu logo-ul acesteia). Strategia de conectare este cea care creează anumite legături în rețea și menține relația cu publicurile diverse, iar pe site-ul campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?” un element al acestei strategii este prezența casetelor cu paginile de Facebook și Twitter ale campaniei, astfel creându-se o legătură între diferitele platforme web.
O altă strategie este cea de implicare sau participare, care se bazează pe utilizarea unor instrumente care permit generarea de conținut propriu, cum ar fi sondaje online, petiții online, licitații online, jocuri, accesarea unor aplicații. Această strategie este reprezentată pe platforma web de îndemnul inițiatorilor campaniei de a genera conținut, prin înscrierea canapelelor pe site (”Let`s offer the Brits accomodation while visiting Romania. Submit your couch!” = ,,Hai să le oferim britanicilor cazare în timp ce vizitează România. Înscrie canapeaua ta!”) și prin postarea de oferte de locuri de muncă (”Romanian companies, let`s show some support and submit the available jobs here” = ,,Companiilor românești, hai să oferim nște sprijin și să postăm locurile de muncă disponibile aici”).
Strategia de mobilizare încearcă să transpună acțiunile vizitatorilor în mediul real, prin folosirea de tactici ca: înscrierea online în organizație, materiale promoționale postate pe diverse blog-uri sau site-uri, creare de cont pe platforma campaniei etc, iar un exemplu reprezentativ pentru campania ”Why don`t you come over?” este posibilitatea creării unui cont pe site-ul menționat pentru a putea posta oferte de găzduire pe canapeaua proprie sau oportuniăți de carieră. Ultima strategie, cea de interactivitate pune accent pe comunicarea bilaterial simetrică și este reliefată prin postarea de comentarii sau prin forumul de discuții. Aceasta este reprezentată de posibilitatea contactării creatorilor campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?” și intrarea în dialog cu ei.
2.4 Întrebările de cercetare
Lucrarea de față se va axa pe următoarele întrebări de cercetare:
I1: Care sunt cele mai vizibile teme folosite în afișele generate de britanici și de români?
I2: Ce strategii de participare a publicurilor s-au folosit mai mult în campania ”Why don`t you come over?”
I3: Ce fel de reacții a stârnit campania ”Why don`t you come over?” în rândurile publicurilor online din Marea Britanie și România?
CAPITOLUL 3
ANALIZA CAMPANIEI ”WHY DON`T YOU COME OVER?”
3.1 Temele folosite în mesajele campaniilor
În primul rând, afișele celor două campanii vor fi analizate atât prin metoda calitativă, cât și prin metoda cantitativă. Sub sloganul ”Don`t come to Britain! It`s full!” (,,Nu veni in Marea Britanie! Este plin!”), diferitele postere generate de britanici au fost postate pe pagina web a cotidianului The Guardian. Cele 17 postere cuprind atât fotografii simple, cât și text, acestea fiind nici unitare, nici profesionale în formă și structură (Anexa 2). O bună parte dintre afișe, și anume șapte, pun accent pe tema climatului neprielnic al Marii Britanii, folosindu-se expresii negative, de inducere a dezgustului în rândurile posibililor imigranți. Pentru aceasta, s-au folosit diferite metode: interjecțiile ”UK? Yuk!”, încercarea de a transmite panică prin avertizarea de scufundare a Marii Britanii, folosirea fotografiilor cu nuanțe predominante de gri (ca indice al climatului în marea majoritate a zilei), ba chiar și sugestii de relocare a imigranților ”Try Miami instead” (,,Încercați să mergeți în Miami”), ”Go to Australia instead” (,,Mergeți în Australia”), ”France is even worse, but they have cheaper booze!” (,,În Franța e chiar mai rău, însă acolo există băutură mai ieftină”).
O altă temă abordată de către creatorii afișelor a fost cea a politicienilor, personajul care apare cel mai des fiind David Cameron, fostul prim-ministru al statului, fiind prezent în patru dintre afișe. Pe lângă acesta, mai apar și ministrul Educației și Finanțelor, care sunt puși într-o ipostază nefavorabilă, printr-o remarcă subtilă: ”They`ll be in charge. Are you absolutely sure about living in England?” (,,Ei vor fi la putere. Sunteți siguri că vreți să mai locuiți în Anglia?”).
Un subiect tratat în afișe este și problema locurilor de muncă, în special a ,,muncii de jos”, britanicii amintind de faptul că majoritatea imigranților care lucrează deja acolo au job-uri în curățenie: ”Come here and clean the loo. Britain is full of horrible jobs we employ foreigners to do. You`re welcome!” (,,Veniți aici și curățați toalete. Marea Britanie e plină de locuri de muncă oribile, pentru care îi angajăm pe străini să le facă. Cu plăcere!”).
O altă temă abordată de către campania anti-imigranți este curățenia stradală, tratată cu mare seriozitate și dezgust chiar și de britanici. Într-un afiș apare un mesaj: ”Great (used to be) Britain. The biggest dump” (,,Marea fostă Britanie. Cea mai mare ghenă de gunoi”) care exprimă clar sentimentul de rușine al lor, întărit de o fotografie care întruchipează o groapă de gunoi.
În contrapartidă, afișele folosite în campania ”Why don`t you come over?” sunt tot în număr de 17, coincidență sau nu, având un format mult mai prezentabil și mai profesional, precum și un aspect simplist, dar clar și concis. Interesant este faptul că în materie de cromatică, GMP a ales să folosească cele trei culori ale drapelului britanic – roșu, alb și albastru – textul mesajelor fiind alb, iar fundalul variind, în unele fiind roșu, în altele albastru. Afișele au o structură simplă, cu un mesaj specific pe fiecare dintre ele și apoi, în partea de jos, un slogan: ”You may not like Britain, but you will love Romania” (,,S-ar putea să nu vă placă Marea Britanie, dar veți România”). La un nivel semantic de analiză, este interesant de observat diferența dintre verbele ,,a plăcea” și ,,a iubi”, care simbolizează o scală a plăcerii, unde,,a plăcea” e neutru, iar ,,a iubi” e la o intensitate maximă. Spre deosebire de primul termen, verbul ,,a iubi” apare ca o sintagmă care descrie o emoție puternică, o acțiune, dar și o stare de a fi. Diferența dintre a nu plăcea Marea Britanie și a iubi România se definește ca o modificare semnificativă între atitudinea britanică față de imigranți și invitația caldă de a vizita România. Construite sub forma unor argumente puse în antiteză, mesajele din ”Why don`t you come over?” au răspuns prejudecăților britanicilor față de Estul Europei, subliniind punctele forte naționale.
Comparând varietatea subiectelor abordate în afișele celor două campanii, putem afirma că cele create de români abordează mai multe arii. Astfel, calitățile românilor sunt cele mai evocate în materialele campaniei, în special inventivitatea acestora, pe cinci dintre afișe fiind mesaje de genul ,,We speak better English than anywhere you`ve been in France” (,,Noi vorbim mai bine engleza decât oriunde altundeva în Franța” – ironie asupra faptului că englezii își fac vacanțele în Franța, iar francezii nu știu prea bine limba engleză) sau ”We built that proper SUV that invited you to do the Math” (,,Noi am construit acel SUV care v-a determinat să folosiți matematica” – referire la SUV 4×4). Așadar, studiul făcut de Luminița Nicolescu (2008), amintit în primul capitol, se aplică și acestui caz, românii punând accent pe calitățile lor de oameni inventivi, inteligenți și creativi.
Pe locul al doilea în preferințele creării mesajelor, au fost temele de natură economică și cele de natură geografică, fiecărei revenind câte patru afișe. Tema economică a fost transpusă în termeni favorabili, amintindu-se foarte des aspectul costurilor mici în România (berea, chiria pe o lună), față de Marea Britanie: ”Our draft beer is less expensive than your bottled water” (,,Berea noastră la draft este mai ieftină decât apa voastră îmbuteliată”), ”Your weekly rent covers a whole month here. Pub nights included” (,,Chiria voastră pe o săptămână acoperă o întreagă lună aici. Nopțile în oraș incluse”) sau ”We don`t have Congestion Charge here. We believe that congestion is punishment enough” (,,Noi nu avem taxa pe aglomerație aici. Noi credem că ambuteiajele sunt destul de punitive” – referire la o anumită taxă pe care britanicii o plătesc dacă conduc un vehicul în zona de ambuteiaje între anumite ore ale zilei). În ceea ce privește tematica de natură geografică, românii ,,răspund” britanicilor prin două afișe referitoare la condițile metereologice, ironizând autoritățile englezilor (”Our air traffic controllers have seen snow before. They were unimpressed” – ,,Controlorii noștri de trafic au mai văzut zăpadă înainte. Nu au fost impresionați”) și făcând o diferență între durata anotimpurilor (”Summer here lasts three months, not three hours” – ,,Aici vara durează trei luni, nu trei ore”). Tot din tematica geografică, GMP amintește de relieful României, care, conform show-ului Top Gear a desemnat Transfăgărășanul unul din cele mai frumoase drumuri din lume.
Calitățile fizice ale româncelor nu au fost trecute cu vederea. Acest fapt a fost menționat și în într-unul din afișe, făcându-se legătura cu icon-ul frumuseții actuale a britanicilor, prințesa Kate Middleton și la sora sa, Pippa, ele fiind apreciate pentru aspectul lor exterior. Astfel, mesajul elogiază frumusețea fizică a româncelor, afirmând că ”Half of our women look like Kate. The other half, like her sister” (,,Jumătate din femeile noastre arată precum Kate. Cealaltă jumătate, precum sora sa”).
Obiceiurile sau tabieturile românilor au fost puse în balanță și comparate de asemenea cu cele ale englezilor. Se face cunoscut faptul că sărbătorirea Zilei Îndrăgostiților se face de două ori în România, iar plimbarea de duminică dimineața prin parcurile românești nu include și întâlnirea cu domnișoare îmbrăcate sumar.
Gastronomia este amintită doar ca o ironie la adresa obiceiurilor alimentare ale britanicilor, făcând referire la faptul că ei nu mănâncă feluri diverse, preparate îndelung, și stau la coadă la magazine de tipul ,,fish&chips” pentru diferite mărunțișuri, subliniind diferențierea dintre cele două culturi: ”We serve more food groups than pie, sausage, fish&chips” (,,Noi servim mai multe tipuri de mâncăruri decât plăcintă, cârnați, pește și chipsuri”).
Cele 17 afișe ale campaniei britanice ”Don`t come to Britain” au fost analizate prin metoda cantitativă inductivă, metodă care m-a ajutat să stabilesc și să observ principalele teme de discuție în contextul îndepărtării imigranților din Marea Britanie.
Analiza cantitativă inductivă a afișelor poate fi consultată la anexa 5B și poate releva faptul că afișele generate de britanici au folosit într-o mai mare măsură tema de natură geografică și climatică sau meteorologică, confirmând astfel ipoteza de cercetare. Din analiza cantitativă reies că din cele 17 afișe, 11 au folosit tema climatului nefavorabil, ceea ce reprezintă un procent ridicat de preferință pentru acest subiect. Pe locul al doilea în topul domeniilor ,,de speriat imigranții” preferate de britanici s-a situat domeniul securității (denumire generală pentru problemele guvernamentale, ale politicienilor, ale cetățenilor), evocat în cinci dintre afișe. Următoarea temă o reprezintă economia, reflectată în trei materiale, iar un singur afiș s-a referit la tematica obiceiurilor.
În ceea ce privește afișele campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?”, tot 17 la număr, au fost analizate prin aceleași metode ca materialele precedente (Anexa 5A). Analiza a confirmat ipoteza conform căreia afișele din această campanie au folosit preponderent tema socio-politică.
Domeniul socio-politic a fost abordat de nouă dintre afișe, iar cinci dintre acestea au făcut referire la calitățile intelectuale ale românilor, calități amintite și de Luminița Nicolescu în 2008. Patru dintre mesajele campaniei au evocat economia țării, prin aluziile la prețurile scăzute, iar același număr de mesaje au folosit tematica geografiei, mai exact a reliefului de care dispune România și de clima favorabilă. Două dintre afișe au invocat tabieturile românilor, iar un mesaj a făcut referire la bucătăria diversă a țării noastre, ironizând subtil gastronomia săracă în diversitate a britanicilor.
Așa cum am exemplificat mai sus cu unul dintre afișe, și celelalte au fost construite pe același pattern, la bază aflându-se două elemente opuse din fiecare cultură, creatorii campaniei dorind să surprindă aspectele pozitive, punând în balanță aspecte ale britanicilor și ale românilor. Primele opoziții evidente și constante pe tot parcursul mesajelor campaniei sunt cele de tip ”we-you” (,,noi – voi”) și ”our-your”(,,a nostru – a vostru”). Aceste sintagme sunt indici pentru fiecare dintre părți, ele fiind adjuvante în delimitarea clară a culturilor. Termenul ”we” este folosit de șase ori în mesajele campaniei, în concordanță cu termenul ”our”, care apare tot de același număr de ori. În schimb, ”you” și ”your” apar fiecare de câte 4 ori. Acest lucru semnifică faptul că această campanie s-a axat mai mult pe imaginea și redarea culturii românești, repetând de mai mult ori pronumele la persoana întâi plural pentru a stabili cine deține supremația în mesajele campaniei și despre cine este vorba, de fapt.
Un alt exemplu de careu semiotic este pe afișul numărul trei, care are mesajul: ”Half of our women look like Kate. The other half, like her sister” (,,Jumătate din femeile noastre arată precum Kate. Cealaltă jumătate, precum sora ei”). Făcând referire la frumusețea exterioară a româncelor, creatorii campaniei le compară cu simbolurile frumuseții din Marea Britanie, prințesa Kate Middleton și sora ei, Pippa Middleton. Următorul careu semiotic va exemplifica metoda aplicată pe acest mesaj:
Aplicând modelul lui Greimas, ,,femeile românce” și ,,femeile britanice” sunt două elemente aflate într-un raport de contrarietate, ele fiind principalele subiecte pe care se construiește opoziția binară. Atributele evocate, aflate în antiteză, din mesajul afișului, ,,(româncele precum) Kate și sora ei” și ,,(femeile englezoaice) cu o frumusețe obișnuită” se află într-un raport de subcontrarietate, ele sugerând diferențele dintre cele două culturi. Totodată, sintagmele ,,femeile românce” și ,,Kate și sora ei”, respectiv ,,femeile britanice” și ,,frumusețe obișnuită” se află într-un raport de implicație , ele simbolizând faptul că cele două nu pot fi adevărate și nu pot exista în această formulă.
Așa cum am menționat în subcapitolul precedent, am plecat de la premisa că afișele campaniei românești au fost construite după modelul opozițiilor binare. În urma analizei, am constatat că în fiecare afiș există o opoziție, fie ea evidentă sau nu (unele mesaje au necesitat o analiză la nivel mai aprofundat, simbolic, deoarece opoziția nu era concretizată într-un cuvânt). Aceste opoziții pot fi consultate la anexa 6, reprezentând un punct de pornire pentru analiza afișelor după modelul careului semiotic.
Careul semiotic structuralist, însă, nu se poate construi pe toate mesajele afișelor. Analiza a reliefat faptul că metoda careului semiotic se poate aplica doar pe opt dintre mesaje (Anexa 7), opt dintre acestea fiind incomplete în recunoașterea elementelor necesare pentru un careu semiotic. Spre exemplu, avem următorul mesaj: ”Charles bought a house here in 2005. And Harry has not been photographed naked once” (,,Charles a cumpărat o casă aici în 2005. Și Harry n-a mai fost fotografiat nud niciodată”). Acest mesaj poate fi calificat mai mult ca o afirmație în care se face o ironie subtilă la adresa prințului Harry și a multiplelor poziții în care a fost fotografiat de papparazzi, făcându-se o corelație cu momentul în care regele Charles a achiziționat o casă în România. Motivul pentru care acest afiș nu poate fi analizat după careul semiotic structuralist este lipsa celor patru elemente necesare pentru a fi puse în antiteză.
3.2 Tipurile de emoții exprimate de publicurile online
Analizând cele 1,082 de comentarii ale britanicilor, am remarcat că emoția cea mai des reliefată în părerile exprimate online este furia. Acesta a apărut într-un număr de 507 comentarii, în cele mai diverse opinii. Pe locul al doilea ca emoții exprimate în online a fost tristețea, cu 321 de comentarii, apoi mândria, cu 189 de comentarii. O reprezentare grafică (Figura 3) a distribuirii emoțiilor în cele 1,082 de comentarii la articolele din Marea Britanie ar arăta astfel:
Figura 3 – Hartă a emoțiilor exprimate de publicurile online la articolele din Marea Britanie
Furia a fost cea mai exprimată emoție, publicurile exprimându-se categoric deranjate de afirmațiile jurnaliștilor în articole. De asemenea, interesant este faptul că foarte mulți useri comentatori au fost români, intervenind pentru a demonstra faptul că mesajele campaniei britanicilor și informațiile din articol sunt ”highly exagerated” (,,prea exagerate”): ”SO STOP BEING ARROGANT, STOP NARROWING DOWN CULTURES IN ORDER TO FEEL SUPERIOR” (,,Nu mai fiți așa de aroganți, nu mai defăimați alte culturi pentru a vă simți superiori” postat de malina rusu in themirror.co.uk la 2 februarie 2013), ”this must be some of the most idiotic things I have ever seen in british press” (,,Asta a fost cea mai idioată chestie pe care am citit-o în bresa britanică” postat de catalina George pe themirror.co.uk la 29 ianuarie 2013).
Totodată, publicurile au condamnat chiar și informațiile prezentate în articolul ”The test in Bucharest” (,,Testul în București”) din publicația The Mirror, în care se prezentau aspecte neplăcute ale României și problemele cu care se confruntă. Netrecută cu vederea a fost și aroganța/superioritatea cu care jurnaliștii au scris acest articol, punându-se la îndoială chiar abilitățile lor profesionale: ”half the populaton live in poverty?, come on…where do you get this information from? Give us the sourrom? Give us the source as it must be done in journalism…” (,,Jumătate din populație trăiește în sărăcie? De unde ați luat asemenea informație? Dați-ne sursa, așa cum trebuie făcut în jurnalism…” postat de Catalina Dragan pe 5 februarie 2013).
Un alt subiect de discuție a fost cel al locurilor de muncă pe care le au românii în Marea Britanie, ca o corelație a unui afiș al campaniei britanice care făcea referire la munca de jos pentru imigranți: ”And what's ironic is that so many Romanians working in London are in fact IT programmers or people working in construction. Why there's lack of work force in the UK in these two particular fields remains a mystery” (,,Și ironic e că românii care lucrează în Londra sunt de fapt programatori IT sau lucrează în construcții. De ce există un deficit pe piața britanică în aceste două domenii va fi întotdeauna un mister” postat de zet în themirror.co.uk la 29 ianuarie 2013).
Cel mai activ și totodată cel mai blamat user a fost ,,pilgrim98”, care a avut mai multe intervenții în comentariile articolului din The Guardian ”Putting people off coming to Britain”. Comentariile userului au fost doar cinci, însă au avut impact asupra celorlalți, care l-au etichetat în comentariile lor, încercând să dezbată subiectele propuse de acesta. În opiniile sale, el a folosit afirmații dure la adresa românilor și bulgarilor, presupunând că toți ar fi hoți de buzunare: ”I would laugh, except that the one crime that is definately up is pickpocketing. I bet there are Romanian and Bulgarian gangs just itching to get in” (,,Aș râde, însă singura infracțiune care ar apărea cu siguranță ar fi furtul de buzunare. Pun pariu că sunt rețele de români și bulgari care abia așteaptă să intre pe piață” postat de pilgrim98 în theguardian.com la 29 ianuarie 2013). Aceasta a fost cea mai dezbătută afirmație și a stârnit reacții negative din partea celorlalți useri, precum ”Sir, not only are you a racist, you seem to be a Communist as well” (,,Domnule, nu numai că dumneata ești un rasist, ci pari a fi și un comunist, de asemenea” postat de smurberry pe theguardian.com în 29 ianuarie 2013).
Trecând la cele 324 de comentarii de la articolele din România, după o analiză cantitativă deductivă, am observat că sentimentul predominant este tristețea, combinată pe alocuri cu furia. Userii care condamnau campania Gândul și GMP au fost mai mulți decât cei care o apreciau. Astfel, din cele 324 de comentarii, 160 au reprezentat transmiterea emoțiilor negative, de dezaprobare a campaniei. Iată câteva exemple: ,,Acțiunea Gandul nu prea își are rostul. Britanicii nu se plâng de țara lor pt că nu le place. Faptul că România le arată ce are nu vine ca un răspuns relevant din punct de vedere strategic. E mai mult vorba de orgoliu” (postat de Vlad în gandul.info la 29 ianuarie 2013), ,,Reacția voastră este deloc amuzantă (nici nu avea aceasta intenție) și este un exemplu tipic de reacție românească, defensivă și care ia totul foarte în serios. avem femei frumoase și un drum tare… pe bune… wow… :-|” (postat de sundance kid pe gandul.info în 29 ianuarie 2013), ,,ce campanie penibila ați făcut și voi…” (postat de Laszlo pe gandul.info la 29 ianuarie 2013), ,,Dacă pe berbecii de ziariști de la Gandul i-ar fi dus un pic mintea, și-ar fi dat seama că ce au vazut ei în Guardian e umor tipic englezesc, unde englezii se iau pe ei peste picior”(postat de sausage nation pe gandul.info la 29 ianuarie 2013) sau ,,De ani de zile scrie Daily Mail despre România, și doar știri negative, cred că au o divizie specială pentru asta… Ma miră că presa românească ia atitudine doar acum. Trebuiau să se implice și politicienii în această chestiune, e imaginea României în joc. Așa e la noi, reacții întârziate, lucrurile se fac după ce nu mai e nevoie de ele sau sunt depășite, țara deconectată de la lumea reală”(postat de blablabla pe gandul.info în 29 ianuarie 2013).
Reacțiile pozitive, de aprobare și de mândrie la adresa campaniei au fost mult mai puține, din ce reiese din comentarii. Doar 42 de opinii au fost pro campanie: ,,Felicitări! O campanie care mă emoționează prin nivelul de eleganță, civilizație și coerentă, atribute rar întâlnite în media românească. La cât mai multe astfel de idei!” (postat de Flavia pe gandul.info în 29 ianuarie 2013), ”Well done Romania. Well done Gandul.” (,,Bravo România, Bravo Gandul!” postat de John pe gandul.info în 30 ianuarie 2013), ”Hi there, I loved your sense of humor and it`s a great responce to the hysteria that shakes Britain.” (,,Bună, mi-a plăcut umorul vostru și cred că e un răspuns minunat la isteria care a lovit marea Britanie” postat de ella pe gandul.info în 30 ianuarie 2013).
Distribuția emoțiilor exprimate cu ajutorul comentariilor (Figura 4) arată în felul următor:
Figura 4 – Procentajul sentimentelor exprimate de publicurile online la articolele din Gândul
Temele abordate în comentarii sunt dintre cele mai diverse, însă marea majoritate dezbat problemele cu care se confruntă România, comparativ cu Marea Britanie: problema deja existentă a imigranților din alte țări în Marea Britanie, problema rromilor confundați cu românii. Iată câteva exemple: ,,Într-adevăr, e o idee bună să vină ei aici, baremi vreo lună. Așa vor putea începe să facă distincția dintre români și țigani. Astfel vor ști cine îi fură și le parazitează sistemele sociale”( postat de striker în gandul.info la 29 ianuarie 2013), ,, Marea Britanie e plină de emigranți din asia și nordul africii. În metroul londonez abia mai vezi un caucasian și ei se plâng de români??? Să ramână în Londonistanul lor supraaglomerat împreună cu pakistanezii, indienii, chinezii și marocanii, ăia sunt mai buni” (postat de Emma în gandul.info la 29 ianuarie 2013).
De asemenea, userii nu au trecut cu vederea posibilele greșeli făcute de creatorii mesajelor afișelor. Șapte dintre comentarii au atras atenția asupra greșelii de gramatică din afișul al șaptelea (Anexa 1). ,,Exprimarea în Engleză e greșită! Trebuie corectată că ne facem de rușine. Greșit: ”And Harry has NEVER been photogrphed naked once” Corect: ”And Harry has NOT been photographed naked once” (postat de Mihai pe gandul.info în 29 ianuarie 2013).
Reacțiile publicurilor online la cele două campanii de branding din cele două state au generat numeroase sentimente, care au fost transmise prin postarea de comentarii. Userii nu au rămas indiferenți, exprimâdu-și părerile sub forme dintre cele mai diverse, de la aprecieri și laude pentru inițiatorii campaniilor, la adevărate dispute pe tema problemelor societății, la reacții neplăcute, de injurii și jigniri.
Așa cum am menționat și în subcapitolul anterior, majoritatea reacțiilor au fost negative. Pe de o parte, sentimentele exprimate în comentariile britanicilor au fost de furie în 507 din cazuri, mai mult de 50% din totalul comentariilor, pe locul doi aflându-se 321 comentarii ce transmit tristețea, urmate de 189 de comentarii ce generează mândrie.
Ipoteza de cercetare a fost confirmată doar parțial, în sensul că reacțiile online ale britanicilor au fost negative, însă nu s-au transmis sentimente de teamă și dezgust, ci mai degrabă de furie și tristețe. Partea a doua a ipotezei face referire de reacțiile românilor, care au fost pozitive, exprimându-se speranță și mândrie.
Analiza demonstrează contrariul. Astfel, din cele 324 de comentarii, 160 au reprezentat transmiterea emoțiilor negative, de dezaprobare a campaniei, cu emoții de furie. Reacțiile pozitive, de aprobare și de mândrie la adresa campaniei au fost mult mai puține, doar 42 de opinii fiind pro campanie. Așadar, ipoteza este invalidă.
3.3 Strategiile de implicare a publicurilor online folosite în campanie
În ceea ce privește strategiile de implicare a publicurilor, campania ”Why don`t you come over?” a folosit o serie de tehnici pentru a implica într-un număr cât mai mare publicurile din online. În primul rând, așa cum pomeneam în capitolul anterior, încercările de mobilizare a publicurilor au început odată cu lansarea unui site www.whydontyoucomeover.gandul.info/, unde românii puteau să-și declare sprijinul în ceea ce privește găzduirea unui britanic pe propria canapea. De asemenea, în cea de-a treia etapă a campaniei, a fost lansată și o secțiune de joburi pentru englezii atrași sau interesați de România, unde angajatorii puteau posta ofertele lor de joburi pentru britanici și nu numai.
Dacă ar fi să analizăm site-ul la o primă vedere, aspectul său este unul simplu, unitar, deloc complicat, cromatica fiind bazată pe combinația majoritară dintre mov și alb (Figura 5).
Figura 5 – Partea de sus a paginii de homepage a site-ului campaniei www.whydontyoucomeover.gandul.info/
Dacă ar fi să ne aducem aminte de strategiile invocate în secțiune teoretică, vom începe cu cea de informare, care este reprezentată în captura de mai sus prin sloganul campaniei, împreună cu logo-ul acesteia. În partea de jos a paginii (Figura 6) se vor găsi afișele campaniei, pe care vizitatorii site-ului le pot mări pentru o rezoluție mai bună, precum și informații despre creatorii site-ului, ei fiind menționați sub sigla Gândul cu hyperlink către site-urile companiilor gandul.info, GMP și Webstyler, acestea subsumându-se strategiei de conectare. De asemenea, în partea de jos a paginii (Figura 6) apare un box cu pagina de Facebook a publicației Gândul, unde vizitatorii pot da like, alături situându-se și o casetă pentru pagina de Twitter, unde userii pot vedea în timp real comentarii și păreri despre campanie de la cei care folosesc hashtag-ul #whydontyoucomeover.
Strategia de participare este reprezentată de îndemnul inițiatorilor campaniei de a genera conținut, prin înscrierea canapelelor pe site (”Let`s offer the Brits accomodation while visiting Romania. Submit your couch!” = ,,Hai să le oferim britanicilor cazare în timp ce vizitează România. Înscrie canapeaua ta!”) și prin postarea de oferte de locuri de muncă (”Romanian companies, let`s show some support and submit the available jobs here” = ,,Companiilor românești, hai să oferim nște sprijin și să postăm locurile de muncă disponibile aici”).
Figura 6 – Partea de jos a paginii de homepage a site-ului campaniei www.whydontyoucomeover.gandul.info/
Strategia de mobilizare este reliefată prin îndemnul de a răspândi cât mai mult informația, sugerat printr-o afirmație din dreapta sus a paginii: ”Spread the word! Invite others to join us. The more, the merrier: Brits and Romanians altogether!” (,,Spuneți mai departe! Invitați-i pe alții să ni se alăture. Cu cât mai mulți, cu atât mai bine: britanicii și românii împreună!”). Totodată, cei care doreau să-și înscrie canapeaua sau să posteze oferte de muncă trebuiau să-și facă un cont pe site, ceea ce face parte tot din strategia de mobilizare. Un alt public pe care campania îl abordează printr-o adresare directă este publicul format din companiile aeriene. Pe site se menționează despre acestea prin invitația de a lua parte la campanie și de a participa activ în desfășurarea ei: ”Airline companies, how about some discounts or special deals for airplane tickets for UK-Romania route?” (,,Companii aeriene, ce ziceți de câteva reduceri sau oferte speciale pentru biletele de avion de pe ruta Marea Britanie-România?”).
În final, strategia de interactivitate este slab reprezentată. Creatorii campaniei le cer britanicilor să îi contacteze dacă și-au ales o canapea care să-i găzduiască, însă nu apare nicăieri un email sau o adresă de contact. Într-o asemenea situație, userii vor fi nevoiți să intre pe pagina de Facebook sau de Twitter a companiilor GMP, Gândul sau Webstyler pentru a găsi o adresă de contact.
Analiza strategiilor de implicare a publicurilor a pornit de la ipoteza că această campanie s-a bazat mai mult pe strategia de mobilizare și interactivitate a publicurilor online.
După analiza cantitativă a numărului elementelor reprezentative pentru fiecare strategie (Anexa 5C) de pe site-ul www.whydontyoucomeover.gandul.info/, rezultatul a fost negativ. În consecință, ipoteza este infirmată, deoarece cele mai multe elemente au revenit strategiei de informare, fiind în număr de patru. Pe locul doi s-au aflat la egalitate strategiile de conectare și mobilizare, fiecare cu câte trei elemente reprezentative. Strategia de participare a avut două elemente de reprezentare, iar cea mai slab reprezentată a fost strategia de interactivitate. Așadar, ipoteza de cercetare este nevalidată.
CONCLUZII
Mini-cercetarea de față a avut ca obiect de studiu materiale campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?”: 17 afișe din campania lansată de cotidianul britanic The Guardian, împreună cu 1,082 comentarii la cinci articole din publicații britanice diferite, precum și 17 afișe din campania lansată de Gândul, GMP PR și Webstyler, împreună cu 324 de comentarii la articole de pe Gândul. Pe lângă acestea, a mai fost analizat și site-ul campaniei, www.whydontyoucomeover.gandul.info/, după modelul strategiilor de implicare a publicurilor online.
Datele prezentate în capitolul trei arată următoarele aspecte:
analiza afișelor generate de britanici a subliniat faptul că aceștia au folosit într-o mai mare măsură tema de natură geografică și climatică (sau meteorologică), confirmând astfel ipoteza de cercetare;
analiza afișelor campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?” a confirmat ipoteza conform căreia afișele din această campanie au folosit preponderent tema socio-politică;
reacțiile online ale britanicilor au fost negative, însă nu s-au transmis emoții de teamă și dezgust, ci mai degrabă de furie și tristețe, ipoteza fiind confirmată parțial;
reacțiile online ale românilor au fost, de asemenea, negative, de dezaprobare a campaniei, transmițându-se emoții de furie;
analiza numărului elementelor reprezentative pentru fiecare strategie de implicare a publicurilor a subliniat faptul că cele mai vizibile strategii au fost cea de informare (cea mai reprezentată), urmând cele de conectare și mobilizare.
În concluzie, putem afirma faptul că această campanie nu a fost percepută într-un mod pozitiv de către publicurile din cele două state, chiar dacă aceasta a câștigat numeroase premii la nivel național și internațional. Așadar reacțiile publicurilor online au fost negative, deși creatorii campaniei au oferit și metode inovatoare, precum cele de couchsurfing. Cu toate acestea, campania a fost primită pozitiv de presa internațională, având peste 100 de materiale în presa internațională.
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ANEXE
ANEXA 1 – afișele campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?”
Anexa 2 – afișele campaniei britanice ”You won`t like it here”
Anexa 3 – articole gandul.info
3A – articol ”WHY DON`T YOU COME OVER?” Răspunsul Gândul la campania britanică ”NU VENIȚI ÎN ANGLIA”, UPDATE
Link: http://www.gandul.info/stiri/why-don-t-you-come-over-raspunsul-gandul-la-campania-britanica-nu-veniti-in-anglia-update-10528548
Cotidianul britanic The Guardian și-a invitat cititorii să pună în practică ideea guvernului Marii Britaniide a lansa o campanie prin care să le taie cheful românilor de a veni să muncească și să locuiască în Regat. Gândul le adresează astăzi o provocare cititorilor săi: dacă aveți idei, postere, sloganuri, vă invităm să le postați pe pagina de Facebook a ziarului Gândul. În fiecare zi, noi vă prezentăm în schimb câte o propunere de-a noastră.
De unde a pornit totul
Ziarul The Guardian scria la sfârșitul săptămânii trecute, citând surse oficiale, că guvernul de la Londra plănuiește să lanseze o campanie publicitară pentru descurajarea românilor și bulgarilor de a veni în Regatul Unit. "Nu veniți în Marea Britanie, plouă și job-urile sunt puține și prost plătite", ar fi unul dintre sloganurile la care se gândește Guvernul britanic, potrivit publicației citate. Aflați AICI mai multe despre această campanie a Guvernului britanic.
Propunerea Gândul: De ce să nu veniți voi la noi?
Gândul vă propune un posibil răspuns: "We may not like Britain, but you will love Romania. Why don't you come over?" ("S-ar putea să nu ne placă Marea Britanie, dar voi o să iubiți România. De ce nu veniți la noi?") este sloganul campaniei gândul dedicate englezilor și prejudecăților despre România.
Gândul, împreună cu GMP Advertising, vă invită să răspundem la spaima autorităților din Marea Britanie față de "invadatorii" români. În fiecare zi, două afișe noi din cadrul campaniei "Why don't you come over?" vor fi postate aici, pe pagina de Facebook a Gândul. Dacă vă plac mesajele și susțineți ideea, preluați-le și distribuiți-le pe paginile voastre personale.
Cititorii The Guardian au început deja să trimită sugestiile lor pentru campania anti-imigrație la care se gândește guvernul de la Londra, rezultatul fiind însă mai degrabă unul ironic la adresa Marii Britanii, nu a românilor.
"Nu veniți în Marea Britanie. E plin… de băuturi alcoolice cu gust de fructe, azbest, case proaste, episcopi, britanici…" Creat de Andrew Campbell-Howes // The Guardian
Autoritățile, presa și unele organizații precum Migration Watch, din Marea Britanie, încearcă să acrediteze ideea că cetățenii din România și Bulgaria vor invada Marea Britanie, după ce restricțiile de pe piața muncii și cele privind dreptul la rezidență vor fi eliminate.
Fără să se bazeze pe cifre sau studii oficiale, britanicii avansează cifre de sute de mii de imigranți români care așteaptă să vină în țara lor.
#1 gigione29.01.2013 20:24
Într-adevăr, e o idee bună să vină ei aici, baremi vreo lună. Așa vor putea începe să facă distincția dintre români și țigani. Astfel vor ști cine îi fură și le parazitează sistemele sociale.
#2 expat29.01.2013 20:36
Sa vina sa-si aprecieze mai mult propria patrie…
#3 poză, nume, funcție29.01.2013 20:38
aștept ceva și despre canada. cazul fetiței paralizate este înfiorător. canada e de toată jena, acum. cine din ministerul de resort din guvernul canadei a făcut acest nazism ”social”? ambasada canadei la bucurești ce spune?
#4 ala29.01.2013 20:41
Ar fi trebui sa-si puna serios intrebarea: de ce i-ar prefera angajatorii pe imigranti in detrimentul lor?. Daca vor fi fost destul de destepti sa elimine din raspuns cliseele "romanii lucreaza pe mai putin", "romanii vin aici sa ne fure noua locurile de munca" ,"romania e o tara undeva in africa sub-sahariana unde venitul mediu e 1 dolar pe luna" si vor intelege ca economia marii britanii se duce pe pluta NU din cauza imigrantilor care vin la munca ci din cauza dole-urilor nesimtite care imbie posesorii de pasaport britanic la frecat menta cu spor , atunci vor avea o sansa.
#5 Ooops29.01.2013 20:48
@gigione
Asa o fi. Atata doar ca atat aia care au furat tablourile din Rotterdam (300 de milioane de euro), cei care au furat toalele Armani (2 milioane de euro) ca si cei care sparg bancomatele din UK nu sunt tigani ci romani de-ai nostri.
#6 O Moldoveanca29.01.2013 20:49
Ii asteptam cu inima deschisa in Moldova noastra la un pahar de tarie adevarata si la o leaca de munca cu sapa.
La Multi Ani
#7 rudy29.01.2013 21:01
:)) :)):)) Abureli …Full este subiectiv…:)) :)):)) Extraordinar :)) :)) :))
#8 Lazlo Tokes29.01.2013 21:06
Acuma pe bune, ce * sa vezi in romania.O tara inapoiata cu asa zis tendinte nationaliste.Cea mai glorioasa epoca a lor a fost cand au fost condusi de la Viena.Ma intreb cat de daci ar fi fost daca erau de capul lor.
Talpra magyar, hí a haza!
Talpra magyar, hí a haza!
#9 rudy29.01.2013 21:11
Romanii sunt cei mai destepti si inventivi se pricep la toate …e loc suficient in Anglia pentru Romani…venim…Hi Liberty
#10 De ce nu veniti voi in Romania?29.01.2013 21:14
"Nu veniți în Marea Britanie, plouă și job-urile sunt puține și prost plătite",
E… si in Romania job-urile sunt putine si prost platite dar macar aici ai soare vara e "vara" si poti face plaja si baie in strandurile din localitati sau pe malul raurilor; in Romania sunt 4 anotimpuri adevarate, nu doar calendaristice!
Din cauza ploii, e multa umezeala. Aceasta intra in oase si cauzeaza reumatismul. Puteti veni in Romania sa va tratati, avem multe saline si bai sarate (Sovata, Sangeorgiu, Ocnele Mari, etc.) unde o cura de apa termala si/sau sarata e benefica la sanatate!
#11 cicero.de29.01.2013 21:16
Hehe, buna gluma. Poate ca daca or veni vor iubi Romania dar vor uri si mai mult pe romani. Lasati lumea cum a fost. Un avantaj vor avea, totusi, vorba lui #2 expat, isi vor iubi mai mult patria. De bine ce este in Romania, de dragul frumusetii coruptei tot mai infloritoare si mizeriei morale, tocmai am plecat. Definitiv.
#12 Emma29.01.2013 21:17
Marea britanie e plina de emigranti din asia si nordul africii.In metroul londonez abia mai vezi un caucasian si ei se plang de romani???Sa ramana in Londonistanul lor supraaglomerat impreuna cu pakistanezii,indienii,chinezii si marocanii,aia sunt mai buni :))
#13 rudy29.01.2013 21:18
Aici in România nici musca nu scapă ne fu tat a…:)) :)):))
#14 ella29.01.2013 21:19
Exprimarea in Engleza e gresita! Trebuie corectata ca ne facem de rusine.
Gresit: "And Harry has NEVER been photogrphed naked once."
Corect: "And Harry has NOT been photogrphed naked once."
Never + Once este o redundanta care nu se foloseste in aceeasi fraza. Daca e "never," atunci nu mai are cum sa fie "once."
Corectati Engleza, domnilor de la Gandul, si altfel va felicit pentru idee!
#15 striker29.01.2013 21:26
@Lazlo Tokes Ia mai zi ma muri-ti-ar *…ca m-ai facut curios.Al dreacu' ce le mai stii tu pe toate,indoctrinatule.
#16 Tara ar fi OK daca nu ar fi asa de multi tigani :(29.01.2013 21:39
#17 Roberta29.01.2013 21:40
@gigione
Parc-ar fi mare diferenta intre tigani si romani, mor de ras !
#18 benjamin29.01.2013 21:45
are dreptate inglezu ca leam omorat calu da io vroiam ceasu ala mare de pe turn sal punem pe palat la guta!
#19 rudy29.01.2013 21:51
England vrea doar de rasa…:)) :)) :)) Rasa pura…:)):)):))
#20 Vlad29.01.2013 21:57
In mod cert nu avem cu ce sa ne fudulim. Contra campania Gandul e un mare fas. Noi vrem sa plecam la ei nu ei vor sa vina la noi. Si motivul este pentru un nivel de viata mai bun. In nici un caz britanicii nu au de ce sa vina la noi pentru asta.
#21 abc29.01.2013 22:02
Ce fata hidoasa ne arata pentru a nu stiu cita oara parsivul si perversul Albion (ati uitat Yalta,Malta ?) !
Parca cineva de la noi (persoana importanta, nu spui cine!) behaia in gura mare ca noi vom urma axa Washington – Londra (chiar daca in realitate prin tot ceea ce a facut si face slujeste cu mare devotament axa Moscova – Chisinau !).
Parca si regele Mihai se lauda cu rudele incoronate din Regatul unit al Marii Britanii ! Cu ce folos insa pentru noi ? Sper sa nu ramina in constiinta romanilor doar ca acel moharh care a fost foarte interesat doar de restituirea proprietatilor sale din Romania ! Si, spre surpriza generala, cel care parea cel mai distant fata de Romania (ma refer la Printul Charles) a devenit cel mai bun prieten al nostru, prezentind lumii intregi o fata frumoasa a Romanie pe care au uitat-o pina si o parte din romanii care cauta frumuseti pe alte meleaguri ! Numai ca nu poti sa faci Primavara cu o singura floare !Ramin totusi la parerea ca locul romanilor este in Romania ! Intrebarea care se pune este cine sa faca Romania frumoasa in asa fel incit ea sa placa chiar…romanilor ? De ce oare englezii nu au declarat ca refuza sa mai primeasca la universitatile lor tineri valorosi din Romania, daca tot au o asa parere proasta despre romani ? Regret enorm de mult halul in care au fost adusi romanii dupa cacealmaua din 89 ! Daca ar fi condusi de elite (si nu de fomfi, flecari, gagauti, borfasi, gusati, tirfe sau betivani ordinari) ar reda Romaniei splendoarea pe care o merita ! Ar veni probabil atunci englezii in Romania si nu ar mai fi romanii obligati sa plece ciine sur la vinatoare pe la tomberoanele cu gunoaie ale occidentului (precum procedeaza ursii din Busteni, Predeal sau Brasov).
#22 ROMANIA29.01.2013 22:06
ROMANIA-ANGLIA 2-1 C.M. FRANTA 1998 ROMANIA-ANGLIS 3-2 EURO 2000 BELGIA, OLANDA.
#23 Ionut29.01.2013 22:12
@gigione…se vede faptul ca esti frustrat si in afara de Fata portii intr-un sat *,n-ai iesit din Ro….in Londonistanul de * ,populatia Alba este demult minoritara iar legea Shariei este deja Pusa in aplicare in cateva cartiere…CEI mai multi emigranti din uk sunt pakistanezi-tigani islamici si indieni-tigani sadea in mare parte musulmani care rup 'socialele'… sunt un popor terminat,mai islamizat,tiganizat si negroid decat frafrica,afritalia impreuna…uk-ferentari 100%
#24 rudy29.01.2013 22:13
S a înrait lumea domne…toată lumea vrea pe gratis…:)):)):))
#25 @17 -Diferenta dintre romani si tigani a ajuns asa de mica pt ca o parte insemnata din romani a ales sa se tiganizeze (vezi manele si cocolari etc)29.01.2013 22:13
#26 Mircea29.01.2013 22:19
@17…..du-te in Anglia si vei vedea numai * imbrobodite ca de carnaval…pana-n si -n Garda reginei e un borat de tigan…imi bine sa vomit…sper sa se séparé si Scotia de Bombay-Anglia….haha
#27 blablabla29.01.2013 22:28
De ani de zile scrie Daily Mail despre Romania, si doar stiri negative, cred ca au o divizie speciala pentru asta…
Ma mira ca presa romaneasca ia atitudine doar acum.
Trebuiau sa se implice si politicienii in aceasta chestiune, e imaginea Romaniei in joc.
Asa e la noi, reactii intarziate, lucrurile se fac dupa ce nu mai e nevoie de ele sau sunt depasite, tara deconectata de la lumea reala
#28 abc29.01.2013 22:36
Din pacate ai dreptate ! Intrebarea este alta : cum de s-a ajuns aici ? Sa fie oare vre-o legatura cu ce a spus Jirinovski (glasul KGB-ului!) la Sofia in 1990 : romanii sunt tiganii italienilor ! Parca din acel moment s-a declansat o actiune furibunda si foarte coerenta de a dovedi Occidentului ca romanii nu merita sa fie in UE sau NATO, pentru ca ei in realitate ar fi chipurile o natie de tigani ! Din pacate au participat la aceasta actiune si foarte multe cozi de topor de la noi ! Schimbarea denumirii de tigan in rom ( ca sa fie cit mai aproape de cuvintul roman ), crearea titlurilor de Rege al tiganilor si Imparat al tiganilor (de pretutindeni!) au contribuit din plin la punerea in practica a actiunii respective ! Si iata ca ceva, ceva au reusit (speculind cu mare abilitate anumite realitati dureroase ale Romaniei !). Iar ca istoria Romaniei sa fie pingarita au ales ca loc de incoronare … Curtea de Arges !
#29 gaspy29.01.2013 22:42
Imi place ideea, dar nu e cam redundanta exprimarea "has never been … once"? Parca ar suna mai bine "has never been photographed naked." (fara "once")
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#31 rudy29.01.2013 23:05
Pai cum sa nu venim daca avem radacinile in India!?
Voi nu ne-ati vizitat pe noi? Si ce ne-ati mai vizitat!
Acum o sa va ecologizam cu produse suta la suta naturale. Voi doar sa stati cu lopata dupa dosul nostru.
#32 za best29.01.2013 23:15
@14 ella si @ 29 gaspy: voi stiti ce inseamna redundanta ? Nu s-ar zice…
#33 londonezu29.01.2013 23:23
lucrez de 10 ani in uk in case sociale , in timpul acesta am intalnit doar o familie romani pe social !!! am avut sansa sa vad cei mai jecosi oameni de pe pamant care traiesc pe bani statului si pe bani mei platitor de taxe… tigani din ROMANIA sunt de 100 de ori curat dect englezi care traiesc in case sociale … mizerie, caini, pisici,, rahaturi prin case… sa ma trag in ei…
#34 Flavia29.01.2013 23:27
Felicitari! O campanie care ma emotioneaza prin nivelul de eleganta, civilizatie si coerenta, atribute rar intalnite in media romaneasca. La cât mai multe astfel de idei!
#35 george29.01.2013 23:34
@Lazlo Tokes
bai Lazlo Tradatorul dute tata la ungurimea ta nu te tine nimeni aici ,unde toata lumea nea jefuit si au incercat sa ne influenteze cultura care era mult mai sanatoasa decat cultura vestica de doi lei * betivi si lenesi
#36 DECEBAL29.01.2013 23:48
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#37 ***** Europa Unita si Cetateanul © 2011-2013 *****29.01.2013 23:56
***** Europa Unita si Cetateanul © 2011-2013 *****
29.01.2013
De acord domnule cu zicerile astea de la Antena 3 cum ca nu ar trebui tolerat ultrarasismul maghiar! Dar ar trebui sa-si aminteasca cum au promovat si ei ultrarasismul tiganesc!
***** Europa Unita si Cetateanul © 2011-2013 *****
29.01.2013
Ne amintim cu totii cum Antena 3 dadea clipurile alea publicitare ultrarasiste prin care ciocolata aia tiganeasca numita ROM era invelita cu tricolorul tarii sugerand ca Romania este tara tiganilor, adica tiganie!
***** Europa Unita si Cetateanul © 2011-2013 *****
29.01.2013
Nu ca am avea ceva cutiganii domnule, dar nu vrem nici ultrarasism tiganenesc, nici ultraasism maghiar si nici sa mai auzim rostirea in mod ostentativ si ultrarasist a cuvantului tiganesc “misto”!
#38 dragos29.01.2013 23:56
@Lazlo Tokes
Vezi ca iarasi ti s-a imputit tuica-n gura, boz,go.re.
#39 sausage nation30.01.2013 00:04
Daca pe berbecii de ziaristi de la Gandul i-ar fi dus un pic mintea, si-ar fi dat seama ca ce au vazut ei in Guardian e umor tipic englezesc, unde englezii se iau pe ei peste picior. Ce sa te astepti insa de la generatia Ponta, decit plagiarism prost. Ei muncesc, nu gandesc. Sugestie: incepeti-va educatia cu Life of Brian, si mai vorbim
#40 ***** Europa Unita si Cetateanul © 2011-2013 *****30.01.2013 00:04
***** Europa Unita si Cetateanul © 2011-2013 *****
29.01.2013
Nu se poate merge mai departe cu ultrarasismul asta etnic domnule, caci in felul acesta se va ajunge ca fiecare etnic sa nu-si mai doreasca nimic altceva pe lume decat sa-i omoare pe cei ce sunt de alta etnie!
#41 sausage nation cont.30.01.2013 00:09
"With government ministers reportedly considering a negative ad campaign to deter potential immigrants from coming to the UK, we asked you for your tongue-in-cheek suggestions for what aspects of Britain should be included in the campaign. The weather, our transport network, and our politicians were all popular suggestions – here's the best of your posters" – TONGUE IN CHEEK….stiti ce inseamna asta, ziaristi de la Gandul?! Haios sa vezi citi comentatori sar sa ridice piatra….noroc bun, noroc ca nu va doare.
#42 Eu30.01.2013 00:15
sunteti penibili cu campania voastra !
#43 jimmy30.01.2013 00:21
sincer e cam naspa in Anglia, sugerez Franta sau Germania,
dar daca sunteti saraci si vreti ajutor social atunci mergeti acolo.Succes. Inghesuiala, Londra are strazile ingramadite ,e superpopulata , statistic 50 la suta negri si indieni. De aceea o face perfecta pentru tiganii din Romania, asa ca pentru colorati poate fi alegerea numarul 1. DE CE ??
Pentru ca vor fi camuflati.
#44 Maria30.01.2013 00:40
"Harry has not been fotographed naked once" sau "Harry has never been fotographed naked" , asa, ca sa fim consistenti cu cel de-al doilea afis 😉
#45 @Tokes30.01.2013 00:52
vezi ca de atata inflacarare nationala ai uitat sa-ti scrii numele corect si ai atentat astfel la propria si pretioasa identitate etnica
#46 bisisica30.01.2013 00:57
@ella
CORECT
#47 bubu30.01.2013 01:16
uk cittizens here we come to steal your jobs ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
#48 ionita30.01.2013 04:15
Englezilor le place numai sa cistge de pe urma romanilor
La Ialta betivul lor de prim ministru ne-a dat ca moneda de schimb la rusi ca sa favorizeze el pe greci;ca sa sustina aderarea noastra la UE am dat SIDEXUL cadou favoritului lui Tony Bler adica lui Mital cel care l-a sponsorizat in campanie.
Ca sa ne mai traga o teapa ne-au vindut cele doua ruginituri de fregate scoase din uz,pentru ei nu mai erau bune,ne-au prostit pe noi cu ele.
Culmea ca cei de culoare i-au depasit ca nr in Londra pe englezi,macar daca s-ar duce romani mai multi sa le aduca % macar la egalitate albi cu cei de culoare.
Englezul n-are mama n-are tata cind e vorba de ban.
Poate ca mai rupem ceva din cit ne-au luat cu japca sau la prosteala daca romanii vor munci la ei,ca acasa n-au unde .
#49 Radus30.01.2013 06:24
WE HAVE WINE, BEER AND PLUM BRANDY FOR EVERYBODY BUT YOU'LL NEVER SEE OUR GIRLFRIEND, WIFES AND MOTHERS DEADDRUNK IN STRRET IN EVERY WEEKEND! JUST ASK VANDAMME!
#50 T.N.T.30.01.2013 06:37
Publicitatea negativa tot publicitate ramane! Inclin sa cred ca guvernul britanic chiar are nevoie de noi de tot se baga in seama…Concret despre ajutoare sociale: incercand sa combata natalitatea scazuta de ani buni se ofera plata chiriei gratuit daca familia are cel putin un copil plus ajutor banesc pt fiecare copil. Asa au ajuns la baby-boom. Preturile in magazine sunt cu 5-10 la suta mai ieftine. O alta realitate buna este minimul legal de 50 lire sterline pentru o zi de munca, fata de 158 euro pe luna la noi..Parti proaste: multi pakistanezi care te angajeaza la negru cu 20 lire si majoritatea put la propriu. Casele sunt mari si costa destul de mult aproape obligandu-te sa o imparti si cu altii. Vorba cuiva din comentariile anterioare: daca sunteti jos de tot ,da Anglia e o optiune f.buna
#51 maria30.01.2013 06:37
Nu va mai exacerbati nationalismul si falsa dragoste de tara. Am ingrozit toata lumea cu tiganii si infractorii nostri, nu mai stiu ce sa faca. Am vazut declaratia unui politist britanic la CNN care spunea ca in fiecare grup de spargatori de bancomate se afla un roman. Cuvantul roman a devenit groaza Europei. Nu are rost sa va fuduliti cu numele de roman ci mai degraba sa va ascundeti. Lasati cat e de frumoasa Romania ca nu este meritul nostru ci a lui Dumnezeu si al stramosilor nostri. Noi n-am facut nimic decat am distrus. Asa ca stati la cutie cu mandria nationala si mai asteptati putin sa se mai limpezeasca apele.
#52 Radus30.01.2013 06:44
WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE SINKING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5xu35bAxA
#53 Telu30.01.2013 08:11
,,Iar tie popor ingrat nu-ti va ramane nici cenusa mea'' (Ion Antonescu la ultimul cuvint cind i s-a dat sentinta)
Vrem, nu vrem trebuie sa recunoastem ca pina in 1989 chiar a fost ,,epoca de aur'' ptr Romania.
Tara asa cum era ea cu ,,un morman de fiare vechi'' a fost ridicata de aceiasi romani, dar condusi de doi romani fara pre multa carte: Gheorghiu-Dej si Ceausescu!!!
Comunismul cind a venit la noi ne-a invatat sa ne construim fabrici si uzine.
Capitalismul cind a venit in Romania (1989) ne-a pus sa le taiem fabricele si uzinele!!!!!!!!!!!….si sa ne face-m multe televiziuni, ziare farmacii,tonete caci de aici vine ,,cresterea economica !!!
SI PTR CA AM AJUNS ASA DE BUNI DE CE SA NU_I INVITAM PE ENGLEZI LA NOI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#54 xx30.01.2013 08:14
In sfarsit sunteti si voi ziaristi.
#55 VANDAM30.01.2013 08:16
Romanii nu vor merge in Anglia pentru femeile urate sau conditiile meteo ude sau preturile mari la wisky (?!) CI PENTRU CA SUNT DISPERATI.
#56 furculision30.01.2013 08:32
LE DAU VOIE SA VINA LA NOI, DOAR DACA TREC DE UN TEST SIMLU: SA ARATE PE HARTA UNDE SE AFLA ROMANIA !?!
#57 Litty30.01.2013 08:48
au dreptate englezii: nu va duceti in marea britanie – este plin de pedofili acolo !!
#58 Litty30.01.2013 08:52
*, era vorba de ROMANIA nu de mica ungarie / ne vedem in toamna pe stadion
#59 sundance kid30.01.2013 08:55
Ba ? Eu sunt din bucale . In 90 in vara am terminat Politehnica si o saptamina mai tirziu am cumparat bilete de excursie de la agentia MARA care avea sediul la fostul Hotel Dorobanti . Am fost primele doua avioane cu romani ramasi acolo dupa 90 ! Toti sau aproape toti am crezut ca am ajuns in ceea ce mai tirziu ati aflat si voi din cartea lui Rowling …. TARA LUI HARRY POTTER . Restul ? Pai restul este istorie . Nu stau sa imi pierd timpul cu voi ca sunteti prea multi si intru in panica . Trafalguare Square, Oxford Circus, Bond Street, Soho, Covent Garden , Buckingham Palace . Big Ben , ,London Bridge , Richmond , Madam Tussaud , British Museum , National Gallery, etc..HAI PA .
#60 eu30.01.2013 09:09
Daca schimbam mentalitatea unor tigani, atunci este ok.Englezii vin in Romania cu mare drag.Nu putem compara o civilizatie precum a Marii Britanii , cu meteahna tiganilor romani.Ei sunt in mare parte cei care ne-au adus prejudicii de imagine.Este valabil pentru toata Europa.Schimbam legislatia liberei circulatii ?nu.De la 01.01.2007 toti romanii pot circula fara restrictii in Europa.Ma intreb daca scoala engleza nu este cumva in avans fata de cea din Romania.
#61 Gigi amoroso30.01.2013 09:12
O gramada de i.d.i.o.t.i.isi dau cu parerea pe aici.
1.Noi mergem acolo pentru ca suntem rupti in *.
2.Romania cea mai saraca tara din Europa.
3.Anglia cea mai bogata ca sa zic asa .
Deci n-o mai da de card ca pute a *.
#62 sundance kid30.01.2013 09:30
Un ultim comentariu . Am fost primii emigranti acolo . Apoi au aparut polonezii si un an mai tirziu fostii yugoslavi din cauza razboiului . Nu stau sa imi fac cronologia dar in toamna lui 90' asistam deja la schimbarea garzii la Palatul Buckingham apoi in primavara urmatoare la serbarile regale ..husari , scotieni , armata irlandeza loiala coroanei si mai multe armate din commenwelth loiale reginei . Ceva nemaipomenit . Fiind rockerist din zona magheru am fost la numeroase pub uri londoneze aveau management irlandez . Cel mai interesant a fost un pub din Richmond unde performasera inainte si Jimmy Hendrix dar si Eric Clapton sau Jimmy Page . Londra era plina de cetateni i commenwealtului atunci si pur si simplu europenii ii numari pe degete . Nu existau negri decit in Brixton iar paki erau in Southall doua cartiere neimportante gen rahova si ferentari in Bucale . De ce am preferat Anglia ? Din cauza lui ceasca ca in filme mereu ii bateau britanicii pe nemti .
#63 Ion30.01.2013 09:33
@sundance kid…ai uitat sfarsitul….te-ai casatorit cu vreo cioara paki sau neagra si ai procreat vreo 5 bronzati ca cioaba…haha…englezii sunt ACUM un amestec de maimutze islamizate ,mancatoare de kebab si cu turban in CAP,n-a mai ramas nimic din trecutul lor colonial…ca sa nu mai zic de tara …execrabila,cu vreme mohorata,femei care par transi,plina de homo si pedofili….cat despre civilizatie …n-am vz inca in ro femei pisandu-se pe strada ….acolo….no comments….vei fi oricum toata viata ta un strain,ca si plozii tai !!!
#64 Horga Mihai30.01.2013 09:35
Anglia nu vrea intruși, la ei, acasă?-Dar ei, ce au căutat în alte țări?…Numai din India, cât au furat?…dar ei sunt lorzi, nu fură puțin, ca imigranții săraci, șomeri.
Ar trebui ca statul român să aibă contracte de muncă, legale, cu salariu decent, cu garantarea vechimii, cu alte țări…cum era înainte de 89, când peste un milion de români lucrau-nu furau, mai ales țiganii…cum să fii văzut bine, dacă toate-s alandala,lăsate aiurea, nu mai știe nimeni cine-i corect, cine-nu.
Repet:de dece reporterii nu-i întreabă pe țigani, cum se întorc de ex. în Franța, dacă au fost aduși acasă,cu Euro,
gratis-asta fiind CONDIȚIA? Cine-i prostul,Franța/Rom.?
Aș dori răspuns clar-nu gen…libera circulație,ca eu, de
ex.dacă aș pleca-numai cu bilet plătit, mi s-ar impune.
#65 sundance kid30.01.2013 09:47
@Ion
Ba Ioane ? Ba ? Eu am locuit in zona magheru din bucale si atunci nu existau nici caini bagabonzi, nici baietii vostri din canale iar bulevardul era curat luna asa ca e o diferenta de perceptie intre ce pot aprecia eu si ce poti aprecia tu din orasul sat . Ca sa iti dau un mic exemplu nesemnificativ dar care spune multe . Am facut si eu greseli de circulatie acolo fie din greseala , fie intentionat si am fost oprit de politia londoneza si " guess what " ? Nu am primit nici o amenda ci umai explicatii sau avertismente . De amendat militienii londonezi de obicei ii amendau pe parlamentari sau bogatasi nu de alta dar ei atunci nu aveau un gigi becali sau un copos sa le fie jena de ei .
#66 Dante30.01.2013 09:50
Ati citit articolul din The Guradian>? Asta spun ei acolo?
Reatarzilor, ar trebui sa fiti dati in judecata pentru dezinformare!!!
#67 Bogdan30.01.2013 09:54
Eu nu cred ca noi, ca natiune nu suntem mai rai decat britanicii de exemplu. Poate suntem mai inapoiati din punct de vedere tehnic si social si politic, dar sunt destui oameni cinstiti, muncitori si cu intentii bune in Romania.
Problema este modul in care s-au negociat tratatele de aderare cu UE. Sistemul actual de libera circulatie nu le permite oamenilor care vor sa lucreze sa mearga in vest, dar le permite cersetorilor, infractorilor, si altor categori de la periferia societatii. Deci practic in sapte ani de la aderare, o minoritate de persoane dubioase, care exista in orice alta tara a UE cu siguranta, au dat imaginea Romaniei in Occident. Nu este normal sa sufere majoritatea datorita unei minoritati.
#68 Valica30.01.2013 10:03
VREM O TARA CA AFARA!!!!!
Romani ar trebui sa stea acasa si sa munceasca. Apucati-va de curatenie, adunati mormanele de gunoaie pe care le aruncati cu nesimtire in paduri, in rauri, pe varful muntilor, in Delta, pe marginea soselelor, pe strazi, printre blocuri, etc. Adunati chistoacele si cojile de seminte pe care le rontatiti ca sobolanii, in fata blocului si de pe langa toate bancile din parcuri.
Cum va gadila la nas, cum incepeti sa va umflati in pene.
Romanii sunt o samanta de nesimtiti, murdari, pe unde trec ei lasa locul imputit, strica orice, dau cu piciorul si farama, arunca chistoacele pe geamul masinii, conduc masina ca niste cretinoizi infecti si iresponsbili.
Romanii au mintea obtuza, sunt inapoiati, sunt pupincuristi, lingai, spagari, smecheri, fitzosi, increzuti, laudarosi, brute agresive, tupeisti.
Romanului nu poti sa-i atragi atentia ca a gresit ceva ca sare de c–u–r in sus imediat, gaseste scuze de tot felul, ca da, da, dar, pai, pai nu, pai da, da nu eu, etc.
Romanii sunt ca oile care se arunca-n prapastie cu capul in jos. Ei sunt mult mai convinsi de o mare minciuna decat de un adevar simplu.
FIRATI AI DRACULUI DE NATIE DE LEPRE!
#69 Lord30.01.2013 10:12
Voi de la Gandul chiar duceti lipsa de subiecte si lansati campanii pentru prosti.Ce sa caute britanicii in Romania.De cel putin 50 de ani au pierdut majoritatea coloniilor iar acum traiesc din osinza acumulata de secole.Iar daca chiar ar veni unii prin absurd aceia ar fi hooliganii lor pe care Gandul ii doreste.Vai de mama voastra ca nu va departati prea mult de un tabloid.
#70 Valica30.01.2013 10:12
Si nu mai tot dati vina pe tigani. Uitati-va in oglinda. Nu tiganii au imputit tara in lung si-n lat ci romanii.
Rati ai dracului de roamni mincinosi si fitzosi. Va dati grande cu o masina tinichea, cu telefonul mobil, cu tigarile super long, cu costumul de blugi, cu bricheta, cu skiurile voastre vezi doamne Rosignol, cu pantofii vostri cu cioc. Va dati cu parfum, va bagati in retele amway ca idiotii, vreti bani fara sa munciti. Toti vreti diplome universitare, investiti bani si 5 ani intr-un carton fara sa va foloseasca in loc sa mergeti la munca rentabila. Toti vreti bani fara munca. Cretini!!!!
Din pacate exista si o minoroitate mica de romani destoinici, drama lor e ca trebuie sa fie contemporani cu majoritatea jegosilor.
#71 Iulia30.01.2013 10:27
Ce filmati sunt englezii! Sper din suflet sa nu mearga nici un roman incolo. Sa vada ca-si fac griji degeaba. De zici ca asta-i scopul nostru in viata, sa le invadam teritoriul.
#72 clujanu'30.01.2013 10:29
@Valica
Realizezi ca esti si tu roman?
Esti murdar, nesimtit, imputit, obtuz, inapoiat, *, fitzos, increzut, laudaros, tupeist, oaie, lepra….?
Daca DA, imi e mila de copii si parintii tai.
#73 Menopauza30.01.2013 10:46
@72 clujanu
Ce ai cu Valica ?
Scrie asa din cauza mea.
#74 mishu30.01.2013 11:08
@Lord (mare lord, indeed) – e caterinca, frate, nu te-ai prins ?
Ii luam la misto si ei or sa-si dea seama ca gresesc 🙂
#75 justitiarul30.01.2013 12:05
aici sunt centralizate mesajele raspuns
http://rainchequebitches.tumblr.com/
#76 bob30.01.2013 12:13
hai ma lasi cu anglia lor
#77 Ela30.01.2013 12:44
"With government ministers reportedly considering a negative ad campaign to deter potential immigrants from coming to the UK, we asked you for your tongue-in-cheek suggestions for what aspects of Britain should be included in the campaign. The weather, our transport network, and our politicians were all popular suggestions – here's the best of your posters" (citat din The Guardian)…; de fapt e vorba de o campanie a The Guardian impotriva politicii Guvernului Britanic in privinta imigrantilor si nu de o campanie a ziarului impotriva romanilor si bulgarilor!
e doar o gluma….englezeasca!
#78 dudu30.01.2013 12:58
nu se duce nimeni in Anglia, se autoinvita:)))
#79 adrian_hora30.01.2013 13:03
@maria
"Nu va mai exacerbati nationalismul si falsa dragoste de tara. Am ingrozit toata lumea cu tiganii si infractorii nostri, nu mai stiu ce sa faca. Am vazut declaratia unui politist britanic la CNN care spunea ca in fiecare grup de spargatori de bancomate se afla un roman. Cuvantul roman a devenit groaza Europei. Nu are rost sa va fuduliti cu numele de roman ci mai degraba sa va ascundeti. Lasati cat e de frumoasa Romania ca nu este meritul nostru ci a lui Dumnezeu si al stramosilor nostri. Noi n-am facut nimic decat am distrus. Asa ca stati la cutie cu mandria nationala si mai asteptati putin sa se mai limpezeasca apele."
daca e un roman in fiecare grup restul de 10 ce sunt?
englezi? africani?
dimpotriva, sa nu ne fie rusine ca suntem romani, sa ii privim in ochi direct si sa le raspundem clar celor care intreaba de unde suntem, nu avem de ce sa ne fie rusine.
#80 ion30.01.2013 13:56
noi stim cum suntem ,si am vrea sa fim altfel nu??? dar de la o vreme cam prea multa importanta,isi dau englezii, cine a fost a vazut ,o tara plina de pakistani,hindi,si altii multi din fostele,posesiuni ale imperiului,ei ca popor sunt pe la sfirsit ,traiesc din legende,ce au fost ,tari si frumosi,,dar gata ciudat ca ce folosesc despre noi sunt cam adevarate,,se cam folosesc de ue se la fie bine ,,si de ce nu explica nimeni cum spala banii arabilor de pe petrol si altele,, pacat ca asta de i ministru de externe ,nu are boase sa de a macar niste raspunsuri ferme ,lor le plac oamenii care i infrunta ,, si noi nu vrem sa i cucerim doar niste joburi si o viata decenta,,,,cam atit,,aaaa sa nu uit pensionarii lor traiesc prin europa spania,porcugalia,,,asa de bine le este
#81 Anti Tigan30.01.2013 13:59
Propun infiintarea unei Organizatii Paramilitare care sa se ocupe de tiganii care ne fac de ris prin Europa.
Daca guvernul nu este in stare sa ia nicio masura, haideti sa facem noi ceva.
Asa nu se mai poate.
Este Destul !!!
#82 Thorp30.01.2013 14:04
Degeaba stiu englezii sa faca Rolls Royce.
Sa vina la noi sa-i invatam pe ce parte se monteaza volanul.
#83 Marius30.01.2013 14:25
Moldoveanco, vin io! Da-i dreacu p-aia!
#84 David Cameron30.01.2013 14:33
I said a GRANDE LATTE!!
Jesus H
Cannot get the staff these days….
#85 CONTELE30.01.2013 14:49
dovada ca nu mi-ati postat comentariul da dovada ca sunteti o natie de lasi!!!! gunoaielor!!!!
#86 rroman30.01.2013 15:01
esti cam prost
#87 casargoz30.01.2013 15:28
Pentru cei ce nu-ntelege m-am nascut sa le fiu rege.
Albion here we came. Pregatiti-va sa invatati denumirile meltenesti:
Trafaletgara Square, Circu BOXford , Bonz Stritz, Socherez, Covrig Gard , BuciCuham Palas . Big Benz Mercedes tower ,Podu' Londrei , Lumea lu bogatu , Tanti Tussaud , Britzish Muzau , Galerele Nationale, Kesh cu ton, Bordeiu Victoritza lu Albert, Vrezidava (greenwich), Foisorul Londrei, Ingropatu Londrei ca d-aia e underground, turnu Aschiutza, Ochiu Londrei, Sfantu Pancreas, Molia Tiganului, La tufisuri parc,sau de ce nu in parcul Pitit , etc..HAI PA .
#88 casargoz30.01.2013 15:31
@maria
Nu mai iti fa iluzie cu cat de speciali sunt conationalii nostri si cum ne reprezinta. Azi in Daily Miror niste bastinasi englezi tocmai au fost prinsi la furat cablu de la caile ferate, si au fost prinsi cu 6 mile de cablu.
Au si ei uscaturile lor.
#89 dan30.01.2013 15:34
Our gypsies don't care about the rain, they have umbrellas.
#90 Alex Tudo30.01.2013 15:41
Din pacate trebuie sa fiu de partea Marii Britanii/The Guardian. Mi se pare foarte normal sa fie satui de romani, bulgari, pakistanezi, chinezi si toata natiile posibile adunate intr-o amarata de insula doar pentru ca e plina de bani. Toti vin doar pentru ca britanicii au fost prea "de treaba" sa accepte pe toata lumea si sa ofere o sansa tuturor, iar acum e impanzita de toate pagubele si lichelele tarilor din estul europei si nu numai. Asa ca… Degeaba va chinuiti, ii doare fix in cot de invitatia voastra, nu vor sa vina in Romania, le e bine la ei acasa, nu au nevoie sa plece in alte tari sa faca rau, cum facem noi.
STUDENT in UK, University of Bradford, anul 2.
#91 Marcu, care trage-n * cu arcu30.01.2013 15:47
Come to romeinia, come to romenia… trepadus international ca avem resurse; aur, brazi, laptic, grau, miere, avem si sarmale si multe femei usoare…
Come to romeinia si cumpara, come to romenia ca e ieftin doar ti-a facut tatucu insangerat masina de printat….
Come to romenia, 90% aliatii, 10% shtalin…, sau cum era…, na c-am uitat…
#92 contele30.01.2013 15:56
auzi ,o natie de coate goale cu foamea in gat se ia la tranta cu Imperiul Britanic!! o natie primitiva ,de tradatori,de iobagii mariilor imperii care ne-au supt bogatiile si siluit femeile,se ia la tranta cu Imperiu Britanic!! imi vine sa rad ca o natie de cocalari si springari ,denumiti de mai toata europa civilizata drept tiganii si hotii pamantului se ia la harta cu Imperiul Britanic!! un imperiu care a civilizat tari si continente ca Australia,noua zeelanda,India,USA,CANADA,Africa de sud,etc,iar noi o tara inapoiata din Balcani,cotropita de mai toate tarile vecine. o tara mioritica cu oameni ajunsi la disperare,oameni care se inmultesc ca paduchii,apoi au pretentii ca statul sa le creasca copii!!! rusine Romanica!!1 vezi-ti limitele si nu te lua la tranta cu adversari pe care nu poti sa-i dobori!!!
#93 ion30.01.2013 16:03
suntim hotii asta ei si gata punem vina pe tiganii noi suntim hotiii
#94 Casargoz30.01.2013 16:25
@Contele
Cititi putina istorie, vesti descoperi multe imperii, si multi coate goale. Era odata un imperiu, Roman pe numele sau, care se ferea de goti, si ca sa nu se plimbe prin imperiu au relizat un lagar la sud de dunare, era foamete, pentru un caine mort romanii cereau un copil dat in sclavie. Gotii s-au rasculat si a u infiintat Regatul Spaniei, au fost primii regi spanioli.
Apoi imperiul bizantin a tinut la margine niste flamanzi ai lui Osman la margine, acestia in timp au devenit otomani.
Nu subestimati niciodata puterea unor coate goale.
#95 Casargoz30.01.2013 16:30
@Contele
Se pune ca hotii aia de goti, dupa ce primeau ajutor de repatriere de la impreiul roman, nu stiau ce sa faca cu banii, si atunci acel mandru trib germanic gaurea galbenii si facea salbe de pus in par. Si atunci cand au batut mar imperiul Roman la Adrianopole, erau inca in carute cu covirtir. Daca triburile germanice se comportau astfel, de ce nu am crede ca intr-o zi si concetatenii nostri cu salbe de galbeni si carute, vor putea fonda un imperiu.
#96 contele30.01.2013 16:38
@Casargoz
prietene,mergi prea in negura istoriei cu exemplele,intre timp ea a mai fost modificata,cosmetizata. Eu vin cu exemple mai recente ,care pot fi usor de verificat,asa ca sa priceapa toata lumea!! vrei sa ma contrazici ca nu suntem un popor de *,tradatori si iobagi? dovada ce se intampla cu romanii chiar acum,cand purtam aceasta conversatie.
#97 Casargoz30.01.2013 16:52
@contele
Vrei sa zici ca otomanii nu erau niste rupti cand au ajuns in imperiul otoman?
Ca musulmanii erau considerati de administratia bizantina o mica secta crestina, care nu va avea adepti.
Tradatori si iobagi?
Poate mai bine decat un popor de stapani si serbi, suntem mai democrati din nastere, nu suportam autoritatea din acest motiv.
Stahl ar spune ca nu ne-am urbanizat.
Dar exemplele din istorice demonstreaza ca un popor, oricat de departe ar fi de normele culturale acceptate (In anumite culturi termenul de hotie este greu de definit si inteles ca si cel de propietate), daca are conducatorii potriviti ajunge departe, si nu este nevoie de mii de ani, uneori acest lucru s-a intamplat in mai putin de o generatie:
376 Hunii invadeaza europa, Gotii cauta adapost in Imperiul Roman
376 revolta de la Durostorum
378 infrangerea romanilor la Adrianopol
August 24, 410 Alaric intra in Roma
475 Romanii recunosc regatul Vizigot din ceea ce este astazi Spania.
#98 Marian30.01.2013 16:54
@Lazlo Tokes
Lazlo, dar de ce nu te duci tu la tine in Ungaria daca tot nu in place la noi in Romania?
#99 @clujanu eu30.01.2013 17:01
SUPER !!!
#100 ph negativ30.01.2013 17:30
Realitatea e ca suntem varza… nu neaparat noi toti ca indivizi ci poporul luat in ansamblu, si aici clasa politica poarta cea mai mare vina.
Daca nu-i dai omului ocazia sa munceasca si sa simta ca are beneficii de pe urma muncii, daca iti bati joc de el prin toate metodele posibile, daca ii ignori problemele si nu te ocupi decat de cat de mult poti sa furi, rezultatul este Romania actuala.
Nu il mai plangeti pe Ceausescu, nu el a facut tot ce s-a facut, ci noi. Nu noi am distrus totul dupa 1989, ci clasa noastra politica, pentru ca asa li s-a ordonat. Nu noi am indatorat Romania la FMI pentru doua secole de-acum inainte, ci ei, conducatorii nostri.
Daca avem vreo vina reala in toata * asta, este acea ca suntem tampiti si ne lasam dusi de nas de atatia ani de niste hoti si tarfe fara pic de coloana vertebrala, gata sa stea capra la ordinele psihopatilor de la Bruxelles.
Romania nu are nici o sansa, atata timp cat exista UE; Romania nu mai exista ca tara/stat/natiune ci este doar o amarata de colonie a Bruxelles-ului, o piata de desfacere pentru marfurile altora.
UE eate cea mai proasta idee posibila, generata de ambitiile bolnave ale unor dementi. Iar noi ne aflam in postura slugilor care nu au alta optiune decat sa execute ce li se ordona de catre nemernicii aia imbuibati.
Nu suntem nici mai buni, nici mai rai, nici mai prosti, nici mai destepti decat alte popoare, dar complexul asta al nostru de inferioritate, relevat prin puseuri "nationaliste" fara sens o sa ne termine cu totul. Ne batem joc de noi insine cu un asemenea talent de parca am fi platiti pentru asta. Pacat.
#101 valy30.01.2013 18:56
orice roman care a inteles cum se castiga banii in capitalism nu v a putea fi oprit sa ajunga si sa munceasca in orice tara anuntul este pentru cei mai multi care nu prea au chef de munca si romania nu prea duce lipsa
#102 The Iron Man30.01.2013 19:24
We are strong with arms of steel,
And we don't drink chamomile.
(No biscuits, either.)
Our cows are not as mad as yours.
And we basically invented the sheep.
You may have invented the football,
But we came up with the best cheer: Muuuie!
Our King is taller than your Queen.
And His horses are farting a lot less than Hers
The Beatles? Queen? Spice Girls?
Come up with whatever you want, you'll never be able to top Ro(ck)mania.
(And let's not forget the Cheeky Girls/.)
#103 CETATEANUL TURMENTAT30.01.2013 19:32
ADEVARUL II CA AS MERGE SI IN 4 LABE PANA IN ANGLIA…DACA NU MI-AS GASI DE LUCRU, ROBABIL M-AS APUCA DE LUCRURI NECURATE…
DACA SUNTEM CINSTITI, STIU EI CE STIU.
OR AVEA EI O TARA URATA DAR TARA ASTA II SI MAI URATA, CU OAMENI DE NIMIC (LIPSA LOCURILOR DE MUNCA, SPAGA, CORUPTIE AR FI PRINTRE PRIMELE MOTIVE PT. CARE AS VREA SA PLEC), SA NU MAI SPUN DE SARACIA DE AICI.
#104 Moara cu Noroc30.01.2013 20:25
Cum voi ati fost atat de generosi de ne-ati adus UE si ne luati toate resursele, ne-am gandit sa va recompensam si sa va dam si noi ceva: toti tiganii, hotii, cersetorii si toate scursurile tarii care s-au mutat la voi in Anglia sa va arate recunostinta noastra vesnica. Si nu ma refer in acest mesaj la romanii cinstiti si intelectualii care au fost impinsi de saracie sa migreze spre vest… Pe aceia puteti sa-i trimiteti linistiti inapoi caci ii primim cu drag; pe ceilalti sa-i pastrati…
#105 sarbacana30.01.2013 20:28
Din pacate pe de o parte si din fericire pe de alta parte,tot Consiliul Europei,ne-a luat apararea,luind atitudine fata de Marea Britanie.Pina la urma urmei fiecare are dreptul sa traiasca unde doreste (respectand legile tarii)si dragii mei ca ati vrut sau nu, v-ati nascut romani,si nu aveti cum sa schimbati asta.
INcercati,insa,sa fiti oameni,oriunde v-ati afla.
#106 Cristi30.01.2013 20:46
@sarbacana
Dute mah in * si veziti de Ungaria ta * ratat
#107 sarbacana30.01.2013 20:59
@Cristi
da ,asta de unde ai scos-o ca as fi ungur?sau asta e singura ta problema.
#108 Mita Romanita30.01.2013 21:28
OF of,,,
M-am omorit citiva ani, sa mi se recunoasca studiile,sa pot aplica pentru un job, in UK,la 50 de ani. De fiecare data , sunt intrebata, ce experienta am in predare in UK, si daca am drept de munca in UK??
Le-am tot raspuns,,,ca astept ziua, cand englezii, vor avea nevoie de VIZA:))))) sa viziteze ,Romania!
Am avut ocazia sa cunosc citiva englezi, intr-o iesire oficiala,,,si englezoii lor,,habar nu au unde e Romania,,,habar nu au care e diferenta intre Budapest si Bucharest,,,tot una e pentru ei,,,iar copii nostri la 9-10 ani, deja stiu sa vorbeasca fluent enlgleza.
Femeile noastre , si cele mai modeste, sunt elegante, au gust si nu poarta atitea sintetice cit"camilele " lor.
Nu am vazut romance de 30-50 ani,,asa bete si lalii,,avand ca unic subiect de discutie doar ,,,recordurile sexuale si " datul la boboci" dupa"party".
Eu ma simt bine, aici in tara lui Bascalie, o apreciez, ma simt vie,vesela si curata in interiorul meu romanesc,,,,nu o spalatura,machiata ca o paiata si ametita ca o curca beata.
Sunt mindra sa fiu eu,MITA ROMANITA!
#109 Daniel30.01.2013 22:27
adevarul ca toti taranii au ajuns sa mearga, italia, spania, anglia si franta, mai nou si austria si incep sa se laude prin Romania cat de mari si tari sunt ei ca reusesc ceva acolo. Fratilor, se poate si in Romania, numai cei lenesi nu reusesc aici, macar daca mergeti dincolo, keep it simple .. pt. ca nu ai facut nimic deosebit sa ajungi acolo.
#110 Ángel31.01.2013 00:16
Well done Romania. Well done Gandul.
Saludos desde España.
#111 Paul31.01.2013 04:28
Pana se scufunda insula ii scufunda indienii si pakistanezii. Duca-se pe apa Atlanticului cu toti betivii lor :))
#112 lanton31.01.2013 05:17
@Valica
Scrii destul de cursiv Romaneste, esti englez si ai invatat romaneste bravoo, altfel se pare ca te descrii destul de bine, pentru ceea ce stii sa faci, dar angajari pe aceste posturi nu mai facem asa ca ramaii i.d.i.o.t.
#113 eu31.01.2013 07:33
@lanton
acum pe bune, de ce nu te duci la tine in Ungaria daca in Romania e naspa??
#114 Dacian Burebista31.01.2013 09:35
Bai mongol , nu am fost niciodata condusi de la Viena -Invata istorie ca te faci de ras !! Si care e problema ta legata de tara asta , ipocritule , respecta tara care te lasa sa ii calci pamantul , daca nu , go back to Asia ca nici in Campia Panonica nu aparti, nerusinatule!
#115 ipocriti31.01.2013 09:44
@Alex Tudo
Pai si tu de ce mai stai atunci acolo? Treci acasa daca consideri asa(te citez) "Mi se pare foarte normal sa fie satui de romani, bulgari, pakistanezi, chinezi si toata natiile posibile adunate intr-o amarata de insula doar pentru ca e plina de bani" .
#116 George31.01.2013 10:48
Sincer,nu m-aș duce în Marea Britanie nici dacă de asta ar depinde viața mea,atât de mult îi urăsc pe britanicii ăștia increzuți,leneși și nesimțiți.Ăștia chiar cred ca românii se duc acolo să fie directori de companii? De regulă românii fac munca pe care ei consideră că este sub demnitatea lor să o facă.
#117 Mymy31.01.2013 11:00
Stati linistiti ! Cine trebuia sa vina in UK este deja acolo!
#118 deusex31.01.2013 11:12
ce campanie penibila ati facut si voi…
#119 Paki31.01.2013 11:18
Sa vina "inlglejii" in Romania, aici homosexualii sunt o minoritate, nu o majoritate ca pe insula. La noi nu vezi turbane la tot pasul, nu miroase a oaie si nici a curry oriunde mergi!
#120 cristina31.01.2013 11:42
@Lazlo Tokes
Mult sex oral,pt tot neamul tau si sa-mi bag p…a in limba ta aia spurcata.Daca nu va place in Romania,pecati dracului cu totii in Ungaria sau mai bine in Mongolia,ca de acolo ati venit,barbarii dracului. Apropos,mai puneti carnea sub saua calului ca sa se fragezeasca si mai beti sange din tigva capului? *.oarba dupa voi,lifte spurcate !
#121 O daca31.01.2013 11:44
@Paki
Dar in acelasi timp stramosii tai mincau carne cruda de sub seaua cailor ungurii tot in rominia se simt bine de ce nu pleaca ei in anglia romanii ar scapa de o grija…
#122 cristina31.01.2013 11:48
Britanicii sunt niste snobi,scortosi si reci,ingamfati si nesociabili.Sa stea linistiti,ca nu ne place chiar atat Marea Britanie,ce s vedem acolo,tarfele lor betive,* si puturoase ? pai romancele sunt zeite pe langa fufele alea ingalate,care nu sunt in stare de nimic.
#123 claudio31.01.2013 11:55
suntem satui de indienii nostrii, nu vrem sa-i mai vedem si pe ai lor.
'' dei luka laka mens''
#124 Andreea31.01.2013 12:07
Nu am cont facebook si nici nu ma intereseaza sa-mi fac dar poate postati dumneavoastra si urmatorul mesaj "we show affection to humans not dogs and horses only".
#125 Paki31.01.2013 12:17
@ O daca
Ai citit si nu ai priceput nimic din ce am spus eu. Spre stiinta ta, stramosii mei il venerau pe Zamolxis.
#126 anonim31.01.2013 12:20
@Andreea
Da' Charles de ce vine?
#127 RASPUNSUL GANDUL LA CAMPANIA BRITANICA…31.01.2013 12:48
PARCA AR FI SCRIS DE ENGLEZI !, SAU CHIAR E SCRIS DE ENGLEZOI ??!! ASA II PERIATI SI-I POOPATI IN DOS !
#128 goldman sachs31.01.2013 12:48
@expat … si eu sunt expat in City dar nu-ti impartasesc ignoranta
#129 mario31.01.2013 12:56
dati-le linkul asta si la guardienii aia!
#130 claudiu31.01.2013 13:16
un studiu realizat de cercetatorii romani de la Academia de Media si Advertising ''Singurul brand de tara sunt femeile'', au descoperit ca cei 50000 romani care vor invada Marea Britanie sunt de fapt nevestele si fetele celor plecati deja in Italia si Spania. Asa poate isi mai gasesc si parlamentarii lor cate o cheeky girl.
In cazul in care mai gasesc vreo insula de colonializat, avem pentru Episcopii lor spitale si orfelinate pline de copii legati de paturi, poate or avea nevoie ca in Australia si Canada. In ceea ce priveste vremea la ei, cred ca am citit atunci cand am inceput sa invat engleza, pe la 8 ani, nu am nevoie sa imi dea imagini gen publicitate cum le da la ai lor, cultura cu televizorul.
Eventual, daca mai aveti si conflicte armate prin tarile colonializate, avem si militari dispusi sa-si paraseasca familiile.
#131 si eu sunt roman… dar m-am saturat!!!31.01.2013 13:30
Cu totii stim cat de oribila e RROMania! E de ajuns sa deschizi televizorul si sa vezi tigania zilnica si interminabila de pe majoritatea canalelor TV, sa mergi vara cu mijloace de transport in comun si sa simti putoarea romanului adevarat, sa fii umilit de catre toate institutiile statului, sa ti se ceara spaga pentru aproape orice etc etc… Dar cand altii ne pun oglinda in fata si ne arata asa cum suntem sare patriotismul din noi precum erupe titeiul din adancuri. HAI * ROMANIA!
#132 raman!roman31.01.2013 13:39
Țara
de Vasile Alecsandri
Din umbra deasă-a norului
Întins pe țări străine
Cu aripele dorului
Voios revin la tine,
O! cuib al fericirilor,
O! țară luminoasă,
Comoara-a nălucirilor,
Gradina mea frumoasă!
Ș-avântul tinerețelor
Ce-n sânu-mi se trezește,
Prin lumile poeților
Zburând mă râtâceste.
Și-n farmecul avântului
Tot ce sub ochi răsare
În poalele pământului
Mai drăgălaș îmi pare;
Întinderea câmpiilor
În zări mai lin se perde.
Mai dulce-i rodul viilor,
Verdeața e mai verde.
Mai nalte sunt inălțimile,
Mai cald e mândrul soare,
Mai limpezi limpezimile
De râuri și izvoare.
Iar fetele cu florile
Mai viu râd între ele,
Și spun privighetorile
Mai tainic vers la stele.
Aice-i țara basmelor
Ce-ngână-a noastră minte
Prin freamătul fantasmelor
Din timpi de mai nainte.
Aice-i vestea Doamnelor
Din lumea legendară,
Ș-a prelungirii toamnelor
Sub cerul de primăvară.
Aice-i țara țărilor
Ș-a doinelor de jale
Ce-n liniștirea serilor
Te țin uimit în cale.
Aici cu lăcrimioare
Bujori se prind în horă.
Aice însuși soarele
Are-ntre flori o soră,
Și-n stâncele Carpaților
Cresc păseri năzdrăvane,
Și-n sufletul bărbaților,
Mândriile române!
O! gura dulce-a raiului,
Tu dai prin o zâmbire
Și fericire traiului,
Și morții fericire.
Luceferii eterului
Răvnind privesc la tine,
Și toți îngerii cerului
Te-au îndrăgit ca mine!
#133 Duddu31.01.2013 14:16
Un pic de simț al umorului, maestre. E trist să trăiești fără și să iei de bune toate pamfletele.
Altminteri, simpatică ideea celor de la Gândul, chiar dacă nu îi simpatizez în rest, de când s-au băgat la marea can-can-eală românească.
#134 Radu31.01.2013 14:26
al lor e un pic amuzant ("feral children, people who think it's the 50s") si un exemplu tipic de umor englezesc care nu se ia pe sine prea in serios.
reactia voastra este deloc amuzanta (nici nu avea aceasta intentie) si este un exemplu tipic de reactie romaneasca, defensiva si care ia totul foarte in serios.
avem femei frumoase si un drum tare… pe bune… wow… 😐
#135 lll31.01.2013 15:12
Incercati sa scrieti corect in engleza (e draught nu draft)…
#136 valy31.01.2013 19:05
adunatura de sarantoci si tantalai englezii nu au nevoie de voi asa ca renuntati daca nu va place ce faceti acolo eu nu sant nevoit sa plec in alta tara pt ca se poate trai si in romania daca esti serios
#137 VALY31.01.2013 19:26
esti suma a ceia ce gandesti a ceia ce faci de vina nu este nici vr eun guvern sau vre o femeie sau barbat este doari capul tau prost care nu a inteles nimic
#138 Daniela31.01.2013 21:59
@VALY
Eu imi iubesc tara foarte mult. Nu cred ca o alta tara din Europa este cu mult superioara tarii noastre. Spun acest lucru din perspectiva uneia care am locuit 7 ani in Germania, am prieteni peste tot prin europa de toate nationalitatile iar de 4 ani locuiesc in Marea Britanie. Noi, ca romani nu suntem nici superiori dar nici inferiori nici unei alte natiuni din Europa. Si da, Romania este foarte frumoasa si multi dintre romani sunt minunati. Dar si Marea Britanie este la fel de frumoasa. Cel mai bun lucru pe care trebuie sa-l facem este sa muncim cu seriozitate si sa facem din Romania o tara infloritoare si civilizata. As spune romanilor un singur lucru: Romanilor iubitiva tara si respecati-o! … restul vine de la sine. Cu stima Daniela
#139 user1.02.2013 02:14
mor de dragu vostru ba! ala-i pakistanez,ala-i negru…e plin UK-ul de *,nu? cu mentalitatea asta,sunteti in urma englezilor cu cel putin 100 de ani.pai ba amaratilor,voi v-ati gasit sa fiti rasisti?!
pakistanezi,indieni,africani,muncesc de rup in UK…tigan n-ai sa vezi in veci sa puna osul la treaba.
sunteti o tara de distrusi,plina de manelisti,betivi,* si batausi
#140 Jon@Anglia1.02.2013 05:30
Vom veni cu milioanele in tara voastra caci merge mai bine.Aveti un nivel mai bun locuri de munca securitate nivel de trai aici tara se dezmembreaza.Vom merge cu milioanele in toata Europa iar in mai putin de 10 ani limba romana va fi cea mai vorbita limba in europa.Nu suntem tigani dar daca ne mai discriminati mult o sa va aratam noi numa tigani.Ati impus un nivel foarte bun guvernamental numit m – UE care permiteti orice pe un teritoriu mare.Romania plateste bani grei la voi pentru treaba asta.Si da avem dreptu ca noi sa mergem oridunde in uniune.Nu uitati ca in primu razboi mondial vati batut joc de noi prin tratatul de la trianon.Nu uitati ca romania este in Europa.Da vom veni cu toti si va vom transforma si pe voi in romania vom transforma toata europa in romania.Si pazitiva bine bigbanu tigani romani se * pe unde apuca.
#141 iuda1.02.2013 08:47
ENGLAND=HYSSEL………no coment
#142 iuda1.02.2013 08:53
…….romanii in Anglia ,ungurii undeva intre Mongolia si Rusia ……ACOLOE LOCUL LOR…..ACOLO E CASA LOR….IN ASIA….ALT CONTINENT.
#143 Sociolog Ioan Dutescu Tolstobrach1.02.2013 10:24
REINDUSTRIALIZAREA ROMANIEI ,raspunsul corect la campania britanica"WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER?" ("NU VENIȚI ÎN ANGLIA!")
Ilie Serbanescu viitorul “ Ceausescu” al reindustrializarii “planificate “ a Romaniei in conditiile economiei de piata ?
ILIE SERBANESCU …..dezvoltarea nu este un proces spontan ci este indus! Și n-are cine să mai inducă dezvoltarea: capitalul străin nu că e rău, chiar dacă el poate fi și rău, dar nu este treaba capitalului străin dezvoltarea României!”.
Publicat Duminicã, 13 ianuarie 2013
#144 Mircea1.02.2013 10:39
@user….renunta la frustrarile astea bai cocalar farà tara si scuteste-ne de ' superioritatea' si mentalitatea ta occidentala…Din Pakistan-Anglia ,in fiecare an peste 350 000 de englezi albi pleaca si sunt inlocuiti de fratii tai-punjabii,prefer un manelist din ro la un pedofil sau * din Pakistan,betivi?!?!?cocalar prost ,c'è-am vazut in Pakistan ,femei bete care se pisau si vomitau pe strada si-n autobuze,n-am vazut inca in Ro….mentalitate,cultura?!?!?punem pariu ca jumatate dintre pakistanezii tai nu stiu nici tabla inmultirii?!?!?nu vb de frumusetea tarii noastre comparativ cu insula aia mohorata si suprapopulata…apropo,tiganee in Pakistan te poti camufla perfect caci acolo aratati toti la fel..aveti culoarea c.acatului!!!
#145 BRITANICU ROMANESC1.02.2013 10:58
STIRE SOC!
HARRY POTTER A PARASIT ANGLIA.
S-A SATURAT SA ZBOARE CU MATURA PRIN PLOAIE SI CEATA SI SA TOT DEA CU CAPUL DE TOTI STALPII!
MARTORII AU RELATAT CA A TRECUT IN VITEZA PESTE GERMANIA, AVAND STEAGUL ROMANIEI LA GAT….
🙂 🙂
#146 STARTER1.02.2013 11:23
Noi nu venim sa lucram , ci sa "culegem" si sa regulam, femeile voastre usoare si betive, pe care nu sunteti capabili sa le satisfaceti , pentru ca sunteti niste betivi impotenti
#147 Adrian1.02.2013 11:29
Don't worry great britain we are not coming but we are sending all our gypsies!
#148 eu1.02.2013 12:19
Ce mortii * mai cauti aici daca esti asa dezamagit de tara si te consideri superior?
#149 joejoe1.02.2013 12:33
@Adrian
Vrei să spui că rom înseamnă țigan la sticlă ?
Ciocolata cu rom e o atingere la identitatea națională ?
Acum 30 de ani tot așa se chema produsul respectiv și nu se plângea nimeni de această denumire.
,,țigan” se scrie legal ,,rrom”, deci cu 2(doi) r la începutul cuvântului, altfel poți fi învinuit de calomnie, rasism….., dar totuși se poate face diferența între rom și rrom.
Pentru mai multe informații cu privire la identitatea și istoria românilor îți recomand cu suficientă încredere să folosești ca sursă școala (o instituție în subordinea Ministerului Educației și Cercetării).
#150 Andra1.02.2013 12:39
Actiunea Gandul nu prea isi are rostul. Britanicii nu se plang de tara lor pt ca nu le place. Faptul ca Romania le arata ce are nu vine ca un raspuns relevant din punct de vedere strategic. E mai mult vorba de orgoliu.
Ei pur si simplu nu doresc sa se ridice restrictiile pt o anumita parte din imigranti si ii inteleg intr-o oarecare masura. Sunt studenta in UK de 3 ani si da, nu e usor. Dar nu cred ca e cazul sa ne plangem acum ca ei nu ne vor, cand umbli in Londra si vezi tigani cot la cot cu romani care stau pe strada cu alba-neagra si vorbesc tare, in romana, de auzi cum vor ei sa, citez: "Ii facem si pe ashtia bah"…E jenant si ti-e rusine. Si asta e doar un exemplu.
Romania e o tara incredibil de frumoasa, dar nu e datorita oamenilor pt ca de cate ori ma uit acasa numai ignoranta si rautate fata de natura (unul din putinele lucruri cu adevarat frumoase acolo) si propria cultura (recte muzica autohtona oribila, monotona si total neinspirata, dar foarte populara). Se taie paduri, se vaneaza in nestire, se omoara oamenii intre ei ca apoi sa se mire de ce atata 'necaz' pe capul lui. Pt ca merita.
Sa lasam falsul patriotism si sa recunoastem ca e doar de "oftica". Pacat pt cei din UK ca au ales o metoda atat de neinspirata pt un subiect atat de putin important.
Daca romanii vor vrea sa vina sa studieze sau lucreze cinstit, nu au existat si nu vor exista restrictii.
#151 joejoe1.02.2013 12:53
Pentru toată lumea care nu s-a uitat la știri în anii precedenți, există informația că țiganii deja au locuințe în jurul palatului Buckingham. Britania e închisă doar pentru etnicii români și bulgari. Britania nu poate fi acuzată de rasism, doar de discriminări etnice. Între timp ei au împânzit Spania și au sufocat-o cu pensionari care au un impact destul de mare asupra bugetului serviciilor medicale și sociale. Când se duc ei la alții e bine, dar să vină alții la ei… .
#152 Iulla1.02.2013 12:57
''Gandul'' a deschis o usa catre comunicarea cu ce care ne pun "etichete '' din UK dar si din aceasta tara
Domnilor…. britanici nu ne vor din diverse motive dar noi ce motive avem sa ii convingem ca ei au dreptate? Poate ca aceasta campanie nu are efect, pentru ca denumirea ei nu este CAINI LATRA URSU' MERGE .Doriti sa mergeti in UK -mergeti pe tacute , munciti , demonstrati calitati si nu mai bagati in seama ''franarii'
Cat despre adevarurile istorice ale lui Tokes sa facem la fel ''pe iei cutu' …..latra pana turbi ca gardul e inalt "
Drepturile noastre ca persoane din UE nu se vor restrange daca EI NU NE VOR dar sigur vor fii adevarate daca NOI NE VOM STRADUI SA DEMONSTRAM CAII VREM
#153 amano masamune1.02.2013 13:29
what I don''t understand in both campaign is, why involving the French for goodness sick? As you can see the Brits are really not fond of the Romania, Bulgaria and Poland. So why do you want to alienate another Nation?
We know the Brits are a bunch of selfish dickhead but why involving the French? if someone can explain this to me (in English language since you have better English than everyone in France 🙂 )
#154 ciprian1.02.2013 14:37
Fear not Dracula, he does'nt touch Royal blood!
sau
Fear not the vampires, they don't touch Royal Blood!
#155 Mark1.02.2013 15:02
De ce Irlanda inclus???
Em why is Ireland included in all the gandul campaign..we are not the UK..
#156 Julia1.02.2013 15:19
@Dante chiar asa… posteaza link-ul la articol ca nu-l mai gasesc . Merci
#157 Ana1.02.2013 15:52
Ma bucur sa vad aceasta campanie.Am stat 3 ani in Anglia si am simtit ca nu suntem tratati egal ci la pachet!!!E timpul sa le dam peste nas sa fim tratati egal corect si demn.
#158 EU1.02.2013 18:19
It's not going to work Britain, your little Humor War fiasco. GET REAL and stay real. We all know : you feel and think your superior to us Romanians
#159 mitel1.02.2013 18:41
un roman = un hot /
doi romani = o banda /
trei romani = o banda si un tradator.
#160 USA Boy1.02.2013 18:47
Sunt de 3 ani in anglia si nu am lucrat mai mult de o saptamana!..la inceput mia luat 2 ani sa imi fac rost de acte dupa ce mau refuzat de multe ori si miau dat motive proaste cum precum de ce nu am drepturi aici…si la unu din interviuri am fost facut o minoritate pentru ca din cate zik englezi : Romanian people are all over, and they all want something but they'll never want to work for it!..they just want benefits and free money of our government !…. La care yo ce puteam sai zik la femeie…adik logic ca era redusa mintal si nu aveam ce sai cer da pana la urma ce sa le zici..tu esti la ei in tara nu invers….si daca ar fi asa frumos in romania dc toata lumea pleaca de acol?…de ce sa inviti pe un englez in tara noastra de *!…sincer cu toti suntem de acord ca romania mai are mult de mancat sa ajunga undei Germania, Olanda, America, si multe altele…ii foarte greu in anglia pentru romani si va zic sincer nu sa descurajez pe nimeni da astai adevarul…ia mult sa obti acte de munca timp in care platesti chirie mancare si intretinerea de zi cu zi…timp in care cheltui si nu faci nimic…si sa ai bafta sa te accepte ca daca nu te pune sa vi iar intro luna sau 2 inapoi…iti dau numere sa suni si nu raspund la telefon 30-40min uneori da te incaseaza 1leu pe minut….foarte nasol aici pentru romani si va zic din tot sufletu ca romania sau anglia tot * ala ii…nu incerc sa descurajez sau sa judec pe nimeni orice rasa ar fi ei pana la urma ce fac ei putem sa facem si noi….da in anglia ii vorba de DREPTURI!!!!!….DACA le ai esti ok DACA nu….mai bine te intorci acasa k iti pierzi timpu degeaba.
#161 nicu1.02.2013 19:46
@USA Boy
romania ???POATE Romania.Foarte multi ungurasi subacoperire care baga cacacadeobicei strimbe!!Nimic nou!!Am venit din Anglia saptamana trecuta si o sa merg iarasi in martie etc.Anglia , Scotia Irlanda etc. foarte frumos etc.Ii doare in cot pe majoritatea lor de noi!Nici macar nu stiu unde este tara noastra.Este plin de emigranti de straini ha ha ha nu mai pot ei de noi ha ha ha ha ha
#162 andriescuus1.02.2013 20:03
… and men love rape … when they are tired to steal …
#163 andriescuus1.02.2013 20:36
si exact in ce consta … diferenta ???
#164 Adriana Fechete1.02.2013 23:13
Romania este cea mai frumoasa tara!!!!!!!!
#165 rodica aztberger1.02.2013 23:32
Pe langa idee, mesaj si concept, e geniala tenta umoristica si non-agresiva a campaniei, un raspuns fabulos dat afiselor de-a dreptul ofensive-spre-rasiste (majoritatea) ale cititorilor Guardian (unul din ala, cel cu "paved with Gold" e hilar pentru ca pleaca de la propria lor presupunere, nefondata posibil….e cam ca in bancul cu auto-sugestia si pompa in desert…..britanicii fac presupuneri – numai prin comparatie cu ascensiunea anterioara – si dupa aceea se ambaleaza singuri). Pana acum 2 ani, era extrem de simplu ca paperwork sa lucrezi acolo ca roman si nu s-a mai mutat toata Romania totusi la Albion. In plus, cum majoritatea romanilor albi de acolo muncesc si isi vad de treaba, e evident ca problema a aparut tot din extrema–pana-la-deformare-grija a statutului orwellian britanic de-a afisa "political corectness" NUMAI pentru asa-consideratele-minoritati (in cazul de fata: rromii din Romania). Si-au facut singuri de lucru printr-o atitudine stupida…cu noi, romanii albi s-au purtat de-a dreptul rasist (prin refuzarea insurance numberului majoritatii romanilor ei reusesc indirect sa incalce un drept european al nostru, cel de self-employed in orice stat european), iar acum se autoambaleaza, le e frica ca le ocupa cineva squaturile din Notting Hill Gate haha 🙂
Draga echipa Gandul, tot respectul pentru ce ati realizat si pentru spiritul evoluat de care dati dovada! E o frumoasa sarbatoare existenta unor romani ca voi!
#166 Daniel2.02.2013 00:12
"We don't travel to Europe. We are in Europe."
#167 RO2.02.2013 00:49
@Lazlo Tokes
*U*E Ungure
#168 ROman2.02.2013 02:38
bozgore inca mai esti ofticat ca Transilvania nu va apartine voua? si mai ai si tupeul sa mai scrii si in Romana,.Marsh la scoala cu tine si invata istorie si atunci sa faci diferenta intre Romania si tara *
#169 Constantin Nistor2.02.2013 11:29
@ROman
Daca urmasul tronului Angliei iubeste România, de ce toti românii n-ar iubi Marea Britanie.
Un britanic ramane britanic toata viata. Desigur, daca nu viziteaza România. Românii ramân români pe orice insula s-ar afla!
#170 Marcu, care trage-n * cu arcu2.02.2013 11:57
@Constantin Nistor
"I am a Romanian who just happens to be married to an Englishman, we live in the Uk. I have been here for nearly 10 years now, and I know what the economic reality is. The Uk doesn't need this influx of people and couldn't cope with it. I love my fellow Romanians, but they really are better off staying where they are. I haven't read one single racist comment on here, which makes me very proud of my adoptive country.
– anca, Stevenage Uk
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268952/Thousands-Bulgarians-Romanians-plan-flood-UK-2014-employment-restrictions-relax.html#ixzz2JjaWsSti
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#171 razvy2.02.2013 12:15
bai ungure dute in ungaria si stai daca nu ti place romania,dacii erau oameni mari si romania e o tara frumoasa ungurul retardat
#172 zet2.02.2013 13:08
Deventi GRETOSI cu laudele astea la adresa fabuloasei natiuni romane (ca bautura, ca perfectiunea, ca nadia… ) Da-in pana mea de britanici, sa faca ce vor ei afise sa nu mergem, nu trebuie sa le raspundem cu niste afise, ca ne coboram la nivelul lor. Vomitiv planetar campania asta a voastra.
#173 bucovin2.02.2013 21:42
Eu nu cred ca e nevoie sa raspundem campaniei britanice in acest fel. Desi hazlii, mesajele posterelor propuse nu nu sunt deloc onorabile ci mai degraba de prost gust.
Primul afirma ca ziarele romanesti nu respecta nici ele intimitatea tuturor cetatenilor.
Al doilea vrea sa zica ca politica in Romania are ceva superior fata de politica britanica?! Hai sa o lasam balta!
Al treilea dovedeste o lauda nejustificata vis-a-vis de iscusinta aeroporturilor romanesti iarna. Daca iarna britanica ar avea nametii de la noi in mod invariabil, va asigur ca aeroporturile britanice ar avea de ce sa fie mai bine dotate in acest sens.
Al patrulea evident compara implicatiile aglomeratiei urbane ale Londrei si Bucurestiului. Chiar credeti ca cifrele celor doua orase sunt comparabile?
Al cincilea poster da nastere la semene de intrebare cu privire la cat de adevarat este ca berea in Romania este mai ieftina decat apa imbuteliata in UK. As zice mai degraba ca este vorba de o exagerare.
Al saselea afis va fi perceput drept o insulta de orice britanic care o sa-l observe. Deloc politicos sa faci vreo referire la inferioritatea bucatariei britanice. N-o sa le para deloc amuzant ci mai degraba lipsit de respect.
Al saptelea, cel despre Kate si Pipa este de-a dreptul controversat. Daca am fi constienti de reputatia (intemeiata sau nu) pe care o au in vest romanii si in general a est europenii vis-a-vis de “exportul” de prostitutie si traffic uman, am intelege doar unul dintre aspectele gresite ale mesajului transmis de acest afis.
In al saptelea ne laudam cu transfagarasanul inplicand ca o singura floare este suficienta pentru a declara primavara.
#174 eu2.02.2013 21:59
de la viena a fost condusa *
#175 BLACK EAGLE2.02.2013 22:15
@Lazlo Tokes
LAZLO.AI DREPTATE!!!!
E timpul sa pleci la mama ta in Buda!!!!
Ce cauti aici daca nu e nimic bun la noi???
Drum bun si calatorie plecuta la mama ta in buda.
#176 BLACK EAGLE2.02.2013 22:22
@Lazlo Tokes
LAZLO: Vad ca ai probleme si cu Engleza nu doar cu Romana…
Chemarea "WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER???" era pentru Englezi nu pentru Unguri…
#177 Nana2.02.2013 22:47
@Roberta
Pai Roberta draga, poate doar daca te consideri tu…atunci inteleg afirmatia!
Campania este superba si face parte din capitolul afisului vazut acum un an la stiri- in timpul iesirilor in strada-, pe care scria "Chuck Norris Help!". Sinapsele romanilor chiar isi fac treaba, cand vine vorba de umor.
Cu drag,
#178 Un roman din Franta2.02.2013 23:51
Bulgarii au dat lovitura cu un site NOT OK FOR THE UK.
E tare de tot. Ne-au dat clasa, dar ii felicit!
#179 Bulgarian3.02.2013 01:03
Hi there, I loved your sense of humor and it's a great responce to the hysteria that shakes Britain. I'm sorry I don't speak Romenian and if someone could translate my comment I would be grateful. So I wanted to answer your question – they won't come as they don't speak any other language and some of them struggle even with English. So I can even add 2 more suggestions: YOUR DAUGHTER'S MATHS TEACHER WON'T TAKE HER FOR A TRIP TO FRANCE BUT SHE CAN LEARN EVEN BETTER ENGLISH HERE. and WE CAN GO TO THE PUB HERE ANY DAY, WE DON'T WAIT TO GET BENEFITS ON FRIDAY TO DO THIS.
#180 gb3.02.2013 09:53
"Cât îmi sunt de urâte unele dobitoace,
Cum lupii, urșii, leii și alte câteva,
Care cred despre sine că prețuiesc ceva!
De se trag din neam mare,
Asta e o-ntâmplare:
Și eu poate sunt nobil, dar s-o arăt nu-mi place.
Oamenii spun adesea că-n țări civilizate
Este egalitate.
Toate iau o schimbare și lumea se cioplește,
Numai pe noi mândria nu ne mai părăsește.
Cât pentru mine unul, fieștecine știe
C-o am de bucurie
Când toată lighioana, măcar și cea mai proastă,
Câine sadea îmi zice, iar nu domnia-voastră."
Așa vorbea deunăzi cu un bou oarecare
Samson, dulău de curte, ce lătra foarte tare.
Cățelul Samurache, ce ședea la o parte
Ca simplu privitor,
Auzind vorba lor,
Și că nu au mândrie, nici capricii deșarte,
S-apropie îndată
Să-și arate iubirea ce are pentru ei:
"Gândirea voastră, zise, îmi pare minunată,
Și sentimentul vostru îl cinstesc, frații mei."
– "Noi, frații tăi? răspunse Samson plin de mânie,
Noi, frații tăi, potaie!
O să-ți dăm o bătaie
Care s-o pomenești.
Cunoști tu cine suntem, și ți se cade ție,
Lichea nerușinată, astfel să ne vorbești?"
– "Dar ziceați…" – "Și ce-ți pasă? Te-ntreb eu ce ziceam?
Adevărat vorbeam,
Că nu iubesc mândria și că urăsc pe lei,
Că voi egalitate, dar nu pentru căței."
Aceasta între noi adesea o vedem,
Și numai cu cei mari egalitate vrem.
#181 Foarte bine!3.02.2013 10:13
Facebook a facut bine ca a sters porcaria asta pornita de Gandul. Pai bai mamaligarilor, cu astia va puneti voi? Va veti face si mai mult de rusine, hai afara din UE, nu e de nasul vostru, coruptilor, cersetorilor, hotilor!
#182 @londonezu pleaca la bucale3.02.2013 10:33
@londonezu
cred ca si tu esti tzigan ca pe la scoala nu prea cred ca "ai dat" si acum speli adevaratii londonezi la koor si nu mai poti de ofticat ce esti….
#183 cum e printre palmieri iarna?3.02.2013 10:49
@rodica atz….
iarasi pupi in koor cat poti perverso?
#184 mario3.02.2013 12:13
http://www.bulgariautre.bg/gallery/2013/01/31/511-bulgaria_otvrushta_na_udara/6309
#185 BBB3.02.2013 12:24
BV GANDUL.INFO
#186 daniel3.02.2013 12:36
Da' de ce nu va duceti voi mah in bozgoria voastra ? Auzi la el…
Pai voi o sa ramaneti inapoiati indiferent cine v-ar conduce bai scarnaviilor!
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#188 Maria3.02.2013 13:25
E revoltator in ce hal ne fac sa aratam. Nu au pic de rusine. Astia nu se uita ca e tara lor infestata cu arabi si indieni?!!!???
#189 buba3.02.2013 13:31
ce se mai straduie ungurasi si cum se mai ,,straduie,, ei ele ei ei ei sa bage? strambe….
#190 viața nu e pentru sclavi3.02.2013 13:39
vă propun vouă o nouă campanie. abandonarea feisbucărelii. „facebook” e pentru cei cu inteligență precară. e o inutilitate parșivă. o jalnică metodă de spionaj și creere de false reflexe, false necesități. dacă vrei să comunici e suficentă decența, graiul clar și mintea limpede. nici măcar de imeil nu ai nevoie. așa că, stăpâni de bloguri, oameni liberi și decenți, stimați bipezi cu onoarea activată permanent, vă ordon și vă instig la abandonarea inutilei și insultătoarei (pentru condiția umană) aplicații numită „facebook”. să fie la ei, în lumea aplatizată cognitiv. ori e degeaba ce spun ori devine bulgăre. din zece, două. hai, cu curaj și duritate și nepărtinitor. învățați extazul victoriei împotriva balaurilor. e mai tare ca orice drog de sinteză. dar nu mai tare ca gingășia vieții. asta e
#191 mike3.02.2013 16:58
I love the ads – don't call all of us xenophobes – mind you, I am half Czechoslovak, bit Belgian and a bit Brit!
I am really tempted! Can you get tea easily (can't drink coffee – sorry). And your summers have to be drier and sunnier than ours!
And I have been there – once – in 1975 for a competition. Different times.
#192 George3.02.2013 20:34
Our lights run out too in the middle of a football game too, sometimes. But we have something to do in the meantime.
#193 Jack the Tripper3.02.2013 22:42
@Emma
Bine ai zis!! Londonistan-ului, plin de stârpituri, îi e frică mai ales de albi, creștini, hetero ca celui negru de aghiasmă.
Dacă noi – românii adevărați- eram colorați, măcar musulmani sau nițel hinduși, ne pupau papucii și portofelu.
Britanicii vechiului Albion sunt niște imperialiști, cinici, trădători și perfizi în cădere liberă. Venim la slujba lor de înmormântare istorică! No doubts here.
#194 max4.02.2013 09:08
@Jack the Tripper
Nem vagy csak egy sopos geci ! 🙂
#195 scotianca4.02.2013 12:04
foarte tare…problema este ca nu ne va conduce elita, pentru ca ne conduce cine ne reprezinta, si cine ne-a reprezentat totdeauna in afara de periada de regalitate,
adica acesti hoti, corupti…m-a si apucat risul cind "elita " noastra comenta ca cutare nu e corupt, e numai hot, sau abuzeaza …(reactia la mcv) pai englezii nici nu au atitea cuvinte pentru infractionalitate ca noi…
#196 antipatrea4.02.2013 18:21
@poză, nume, funcție
tu esti de toata jena, losere! Lasa Canada in pace, nu-i de nasul tau de tzigan mamaligar.
#197 expat5.02.2013 05:49
@goldman sachs
Ignoranta sau realism? Eu am asteptat 20 de ani inainte de as fi avut ocazia sa ma intorc in tara si m-am simtit putin dezamagit. Nu e vorba despre oameni sau frumesetea peisajelor, dar despre stat, halul infrastructurii, si lipsa notiunii de "customer service".
#198 cosma racoare5.02.2013 09:58
Propunere:
""You do not have attractive women like us. Kate and her sister – the exception proves the rule!""
#199 richard5.02.2013 14:58
Regina Maria a României s-a născut la Eastwell Park în Kent, și a fost inițial Principesă de Edinburg. A fost fiica ducelui Alfred de Saxa Coburg și Gotha, cel de al doilea fiu al Reginei Victoria; mama sa a fost Marea Ducesă Maria Alexandrovna, unica fiică a Țarului Alexandru al II-lea al Rusiei. În consecință, Prințesa Maria este nepoata Regelui Edward al VII-lea și verișoara primară a Țarului Nicolae al II-lea și a Regelui George al V-lea. Regina Maria a fost supranumită de popor „Mama răniților” și „Regina-soldat”, pentru atitudinea ei bravă din timpul Primului Război Mondial, când, alături de doamnele de la curte a lucrat direct pe front în spitale de campanie și a coordonat activitatea unei fundații de caritate.
(http://www.filmedocumentare.com/regina-maria-a-romaniei/)
#200 Vila Trifoiul Boutique Hotel6.02.2013 00:07
Le-am pregatit si un filmulet pentru ca…o imagine face cat o mie de cuvinte!
#201 dan6.02.2013 09:13
legat de canada
un mare *
te jupoaie de bani inainte si dupa ce ajungi in canada
apoi dai de dracul si de frate-su
hoti mari acesti canadieni si fff rasisti
de la anul canada trebuie sa scoata vizele pt romani deci vom avea treaba si la anul dar avem experienta cu englezii acum
#202 sorin6.02.2013 12:53
…Dar e posibil sa constate ca diferentele nu sunt prea mari !
Depinde cu cine vor face cunostinta….
#203 mihailescu george8.02.2013 18:33
acum aproape 70 de ani politicianul lor de marca ne-a aruncat in groapa de gunoi a europei, ne -a lasat la mana mult iubitului stalin. numai e cazul ca urmasii lui sa o faca si acum. in plus nu exista santier ,in londra cel putin, unde sa nu gasesti romani muncind. in general acolo unde e f greu. asa ca le-am putea spune ca ne oferim sa facem noi cele mai grele munci . nu de alta dar ei oricum le refuza. sau poate vor mai mult timp pt distractie.
#204 cristi13.02.2013 09:09
Tablouri,Armani,bancomate sant asigurate.Si astea sant fapte de smecheriTiganii imput orice ating.Aici la London mi-au ciordit toba de esapamentde la vanul companiei.S-o vanda la fier vechi pe 20 de lire…ea face 2000.I-am prins…santem hamarati mancati-as,plangeau la garda.Cersesc,scobesc prin gunoie,* la produs in Stradford(tot tiganci,ca romancele-si rup oasele la munca).Jegosi,infecti,fara coloana vertebrala….Astea sant fapte de baragladine.Lumea stie deja diferenta.
#205 unu ..13.02.2013 21:49
"englejii " astia care se kk pe ei ca vin romanii sa munceasca pentru ei "exceptie tiganii care nu se duc acolo la munca" ar trebui sa le multumeasca Americanilor ca au granitele inchise pentru noi ca sar mai duce * la amglia sa munceasca acolo ..!!
#206 Myself19.02.2013 14:11
While our Dacia has still 105 horsepower, we wonder how many COW-horses your Rolls Royce acquired
#207 junkystu11.03.2013 01:21
Terminati-va cu d-astea ca brusc va veti trezi ca sunteti invadati de niste imputiti betivi fara maniere. Cam asa as descrie pe scurt poporul Britanic. Imputiti in adevaratul sens al cuvantului: fac baie doar de sarbatori :))
#208 Ion Tractoristu29.03.2013 17:55
Ia poftiți și asta: You Britons insinuate that you are victimized by Romanians?!! You? Come on! Brits have been thrown out of every country of this world -China, India, America, a.s.o.-, after they have showed what they really are: reckless robbers, poachers, murderers and warmongers in the service of greedy masters.I t is time to renounce fighting here some imaginary foes, like us, the Romanians, because we are "enemies" entirely fabricated by those who own you AND your minds, through THEIR massmedia! Understand that your real enemies sit in the boards of the big banks, and are the occult elites, that manage your daily miseries and troubles, with fewer and fewer PANEM, but with a lot of CIRCENSES, staging so the last historical act of a worn out tool full of patsies, called the United Kingdom of 2013 AD… Don´t begin wars you´ll never be able to win. Be wise my friends!
3B – articol WHY DON`T YOU COME OVER? Să le răspundem britanicilor. Ziarul THE GUARDIAN ne provoacă din nou: Spuneți de ce NU VREȚI SĂ PLECAȚI NICIODATĂ DIN ROMÂNIA
Link: http://www.gandul.info/stiri/why-don-t-you-come-over-sa-le-raspundem-britanicilor-ziarul-the-guardian-ne-provoaca-din-nou-spuneti-de-ce-nu-vreti-sa-plecati-niciodata-din-romania-11683088
Cotidianul britanic The Guardian își schimbă tonul și îi invită pe români să spună de ce iubesc să trăiască în România, de ce nu ar vrea să-și părăsească niciodată țara și ce le-ar lipsi cel mai mult, dacă ar alege să vină în Marea Britanie. Prezentat într-o categorie specială – guardianwitness – mesajul, lansat miercuri, este prezentat în limba română: "Am dori sa aflam mai mult despre Romania – aratati-ne ce inseamna sa traiesti si sa muncesti in tara dumneavoastra – impartasiti cu noi poze, imagini video si experiente (transcriere exactă -n.r)", urmat de precizarea că demersul este făcut în contextul discuțiilor despre numărul mare de români care ar urma să vină în Marea Britanie, odată cu ridicarea restricțiilor de muncă la 1 ianuarie 2014: " Au fost foarte multe discuții legate de probabilitatea ca foarte mulți români să vină în UK după ridicarea restricțiilor (de pe piața muncii -n. r.) de la 1 ianuarie 2014… Am vrea să ne spui de ce iubești să fii cetățean român și de ce nu ai vrea să pleci niciodată"
Vă propunem să le răspundem. Vă îndemnăm, așadar, să vă scrieți cu ajutorul aplicație gândulmesajele, răspunsurile dumneavoastră pentru a le transmite cetățenilor britanici.
AICI GĂSIȚI APLICAȚIA GÂNDUL CU AJUTORUL CĂREIA PUTEȚI SCRIE SINGURI MESAJELE. Dacă le postați pe facebook, vă învităm să adăugați la finalul postării #whydontyoucomeover
Campania "Why don't you come over"
La începutul acestui an, ziarul britanic lansa o campanie de descurajare a românilor de a veni în Marea Britanie, iar gândul a răspuns atunci cu campania "Why don`t you come over?". Astăzi cu ocazia zilei de naștere a Prințului Charles, unul dintre cei mai mari admiratori ai României, ne-am hotărât să le răspundem din nou colegilor de la The Guardian și să le transmitem mesajul nostru, postându-l pe site-ul lor. Vezi mai jos afișele
În urmă cu două săptămâni, Prințul Charles vorbea ca un adevărat ambasador al României în lume: "Poate oamenii nu văd asta, dar România este o țară minunată. Aici trăiesc oameni remarcabili, care nu se dau bătuți. Au trăit experiențe îngrozitoare, care i-au afectat foarte mult: cele două războaie mondiale și toate celelalte suferințe trăite de la al Doilea Război Mondial până acum. Acești oameni au trecut prin multe, au văzut multe suferințe, distrugeri, iar viețile le-au fost distruse. Le suntem datori să găsim o cale pentru un viitor mai bun, care să le păstreze cultura, tradițiile și valorile"
Cum au răspuns românii la noul îndemn
Aproape două sute de cititori au răspuns provocării, postând, în numai o zi de la lansarea campaniei, imagini din România și mesaje în secțiune witness dedicată campaniei de către The Guardian. În general, sunt postate imagini cu locuri care merită vizitate în România, cum ar fi Delta Dunării despre care Alina Lupascu spune că este "cel mai fumos loc din lume" sau instantanee de la țară, locurile de departe de civilizație fiind asemuite de IuliaD cu "tărâmul de basm". Nu lipsesc imaginile cu vulcanii noroioși, unici în Europa, din Bucegi, Brașov, Sibiu și București. De asemenea, românii laudă mâncărurile românești, care nu au gust atât de bun nicăieri în lume.
Care era îndemnul Guardian la începutul anului
La începutul acestui an, mesajul The Guardian era cu totul altul. Cotidianul britanic își invita cititorii să pună în practică ideea guvernului Marii Britanii de a lansa o campanie "Nu veniți în Anglia", menită a-i descuraja pe români să emigreze.
Răspunsul Gândul: "Why don't you come over?"
Gândul a avut un răspuns: "Why don't you come over?"("De ce nu veniți la noi?"). Acesta a fost sloganul campaniei gândul, GMP Advertising și Webstyler, căreia românii i s-au alăturat și căreia i-au fost dedicate peste sute de articole în presa din întrega lume, cum ar fi în Financial Times, Associated Press, BBC News, Huffington Post, Reuters, ZDF, Daily Mirror, The Independent, El Mundo, The World și BBD Lincolnshire. Subiectul a ajuns și în Time, devenind prima campanie românească depre care scrie faimoasa publicație. După ce i-a invitat pe britanici să vină în România, mii de români făcând afișe cu mesajul lor, le-a oferit canapele și locuri de muncă, campania "Why don't you come over?" s-a încheiat cu mesajul românilor către premierul David Cameron, care a fost publicat luni, 11 februarie 2013, în The Guardian.
Campania Gândul "Why don't you come over", a fost premiată cu aur la AdStars 2013, a câștigatGrand Prix-ul la categoria „Digital Campaigns”, la festivalul Golden Drum 2013 de la Portoroz (Slovenia) și a s-a impus la categoriile"Viral Non-Video" și"Art, Culture, Media and Entertainment" la Internetics.
Cum răspundem astăzi Guardian
Astăzi cu ocazia zilei de naștere a Prințului Charles, unul dintre cei mai mari admiratori ai României, ne-am hotărât să le răspundem din nou colegilor de la The Guardian și să le transmitem mesajul nostru.
În urmă cu două săptămâni, Prințul Charles vorbea ca un adevărat ambasador al României. "Poate oamenii nu văd asta, dar România este o țară minunată. Aici trăiesc oameni remarcabili, care nu se dau bătuți. Au trăit experiențe îngrozitoare, care i-au afectat foarte mult: cele două războaie mondiale și toate celelalte suferințe trăite de la al Doilea Război Mondial până acum. Acești oameni au trecut prin multe, au văzut multe suferințe, distrugeri, iar viețile le-au fost distruse. Le suntem datori să găsim o cale pentru un viitor mai bun, care să le păstreze cultura, tradițiile și valorile. (…) Unul din motivele pentru care întotdeauna mi-a făcut mare plăcere să revin în România este frumusețea naturală extraordinară a peisajelor sale și a pădurilor sălbatice virgine din Munții Carpați", spunea Prințul Charles.
#1 Alex14.11.2013 21:11
Promovati cladiri construite de o civilizatie romana mult mai avansata, cand pe vremurile acelea nu domnea ignoranta in tara, romanica noastra e sufocata de tigani, ignoranti si maidanezi 🙂 hai sa lasam ipocrizia si sa nu mai bagam gunoiul sub pres
#2 marius14.11.2013 21:22
Campaniile astea ale ziarului "Gandul" sunt doar psihologii bune pentru autoumilire dar multi nu realizeaza asta. Un ziar de scandal englez versus o foarte cunoscuta si o pretinsa pretentioasa platforma media romaneasca reprezinta deja statusul pe care ni-l asumam: umilire. Marea natiune britanica nu e interesata de subiect pt ca suntem prea minusculi. Insa o natie de tarani romani crede ca e centrul universului britanic pentru ca asa vor niste jurnalisti …umilitor
#3 Sandu14.11.2013 21:28
Nu merge pe fb.
Nu as merge din tara pentru ca aici nu e risc de atentate teroriste si tinerii nu is betivi ratati ca in UK.
#4 T.T.14.11.2013 21:40
Pai motivele principale sa stai sunt aceleasi cu care-i invitam pe ei aici: berea si femeile sunt bune destul pentru pret.
Acuma serios: sta cine e cu stapanirea – ciolanul pe varza e bun. Sta cine-a terminat Spiru – nu stie sa faca nimic. E descurcaret, se mai gaseste inca de furat si pe-aici; daca nu, raman mereu contractele cu Statul.
Decat codas la oras mai bine fruntas in satul tau.
Sunt asa de multe locuri exceptional de frumoase pe lume si in care saracia e lucie. La noi majoritatea au fost deja pocite de intruziunea pricopsitilor tranzitiei. De ce-ar pleca de ex. un Becali, ce-ar stii / putea asta sa faca afara?
#5 ion14.11.2013 21:52
@marius esti incoerent, limitat si meriti exact statutul pe care ti-l aloci: cel de umilit.
#6 unu14.11.2013 21:53
Nu aveti pic de demnitate cu campania voastra.Cand o sa intelegeti ca britanicii nu ne vor in regatul lor?Pentru ce trebuie sa ne umilim in halul asta?Prietene englezoi,nu vrei sa vin,nu vin,da-te-n spuma marii.Mai bine sa iesim in strada sa eliberam tara de sub jugul bancilor si al fmi-ului,sa scapam de toti coruptii din tara asta,de toti umflatii care ne conduc si care ne vand cu tot cu tara.Asta ar trebui sa facem,nu sa ne milogim de englezoi sa ne primeasca pe post de sclavi.
#7 sbarcea nicolae achim14.11.2013 22:05
Nu doresc să merg în Anglia din mai multe motive :
– perfidul albion a furat, mințit, jignit, intoxicat, distrus,
etc. mai mult ca oricare alt popor din lume.
– sun un popor leneș și corupt
– cavalerismul lor este o minciună.
– bunăstarea provine din ce au luat de la alții
– îngâmfarea lor proverbială apare la tot pasul, iar
acest defect l-au transformat într-o calitate.
– cel mai lipsit de sinceritate popor.
– etc.
#8 PENTALOGUL. PAMANTUL.14.11.2013 22:16
Întrebat fiind de către Nae Ionescu “Care trebuie să fie însușirile unui adevărat cetățean român?”, Petre Țuțea i-a răspuns:
1. Să fie creștin, conștiința religioasă fiind definitorie pentru om;
2. Să fie dispus a-și da viața pentru România fără regret;
3. Să nu înșele pe nimeni;
4. Să nu necinstească nicio fecioară, pentru a nu ofensa majestatea Maicii Domnului;
5. Să-și cunoască limitele și să respecte ceea ce poate face altul și nu poate face el. (1937)
Tradatorii, strainii,alogenii, care ne batjocoresc de 24 de ani de mizerii occidentale, se straduiesc zi de zi, din toate puterile si cu toate mijloacele, ca romanul sa nu mai respecte acest pentalog, ci sa fie un indobitocit spalat pe creier cu societatea de consum paine si circ.
Oare cind ne vom destepta?
Din 2014, urmeaza ultima calamitate,decisiva: strainii vor acapara pamantul agricol:
„Adevărata suveranitate națională își are tron pământul patriei cu sufletul îngropat în el. Nici o legislație nu poate împărți tronul acesta între autohtoni și venetici. Și nu există aur pe lume să echivaleze prețul țarinii strămoșești. Pentru că, din moment ce această țarină e strămoșească, ea are mai presus de toate o valoare morală, ce nu se poate măsura în bani. Cine își vinde pământul săvârșește un sacrilegiu fiindcă își vinde morții din el. Crima democrației e că a pus la mezat patria, și aceasta însemnează în principiu detronarea neamului românesc din drepturile lui de rasă regală. În lumina spiritului autohton, invazia străinului e tot una cu o năvălire barbară, ceea ce constitue caz de război defensiv…..Căci patria e dania strămoșilor și ea nu se lasă nici răpită, nici vândută. România trăiește sub dictatura capitalismului fără patrie.” Nichifor Crainic.
#9 Floryn Salam14.11.2013 22:18
Da deci haules baoles carem placea in Rromanea si nu plec dan ia nici dac sda drumu la zpatiu Sanchien caici mie bine.
#10 T.T.14.11.2013 22:32
@ #9
Nu trebuie oare sa judecam lucrurile cu aceeasi masura? In acest ultim sfert de secol milioane de romani au plecat afara si multi dintre ei au cumparat proprietati pe unde s-au stabilit, deci s-au bagat in coasta localnicilor, aia de ce n-ar avea voie sa faca la fel de doresc? Pamantul ramane pe loc, nu-l muta nimeni cu roaba in alta tara de-l cumpara. Prin anii '70 japonezii cumparasera jumate din America si se pare ca tot acolo e.. Prin ziarul asta plesnea de mandrie cel care ne povestea cum un roman a pus craca pe multe mine prin Africa si n-am vazut pe nimeni sa-l injure.
Decat sa ne-mbatosam ca altora le e sila sa ne primeasca la ei n-ar fii mai bine sa incercam prin noi insine, aici, sa ne facem o viata mai buna?
#11 nu mai ne lasa sa bagam nimic14.11.2013 22:33
Ce naiba !? Nu mai ne lasa sa mai bagam nimic la ei pe site….!? E deja prea mult acolo ? LOL
#12 we live united14.11.2013 22:44
we want to live united with family, friends, nature and especially our Moldavian neighbors, not like United Kingdom where Irish are seen outsiders
#13 PENTALOGUL. PAMANTUL.14.11.2013 22:46
@T.T. nu judecam cu aceiasi masura. pt ca nelegiuitii, strainii sint vicleni si parsivi si folosesc o masura masluita. ei vin cu forta corporatiilor care detin monopol in toata lumea corup mint jefuiesc si inseala iar asta la ei se cheama lobby. iar noi sintem aburiti(un roman face afaceri in Africa-adica ii jefuieste ii fura pe bietii oameni- asta e furt jaf, noi nu vrem sa fim partasi la furt si jaf)jefuiti cu masura….masluita.
#14 Doctor in logica14.11.2013 22:56
I don't want to leave Romanistania because I like my history full of dark skin ancestors and I respect my current fellow gipsies.
We love our country and lately our arabique songs … we're all gays because we sold our women to arabs. italiens and Spaniards.
:))
#15 Prostul … nu e prost destul dacă … nu e și fudul …14.11.2013 23:00
– Te ia cu friguri când vezi … numai … agramați …
#16 we have 4 full seasons14.11.2013 23:05
we enjoy 4 full seasons, not 1 and a half
our children can tell a chicken means meat and onion's a vegetable without having to finish high school and still be an ignorant
the kids can play outside without a chaperon supervision. they can even walk, without being driven to school
we meet more Real friends walking down a street on a sunny day than we have on facebook
we can learn french, italian, russian… It doesn't twist our sense of humor
any car can be turned into a taxi
we drive on the right side, like most people do. It's easier to rent a car worldwide
we still frown upon stupidity. Not used to it
#17 Specimene … bune de studiat14.11.2013 23:07
… la muzeul Antipa
– Înainte vreme se făceau și … disecții … pe ei
anacronicele făpturi
#18 jo14.11.2013 23:18
marius si alex doi indiviz pe langa altii 9% din populatia tari care fac romanica de rusine. daca nu va convine tara si nu vreti sa o faceti mai buna de ce stati in ea ? De ce nu plecati din tara toti? plecati unde vedeti cu capul schimbati-va numele cetatenia uitati de ro sa nu va mai intoarceti, asa o sa se curete tara de excroci si o sa devina o tara mai buna.
#19 PERFIDUL ALBION SA SE DUCA LA GROAPA DE GUNOI A ISTORIEI !!!!14.11.2013 23:34
LA GUNOI CU PERFIDUL ALBION !!!!
#20 Un fost roman14.11.2013 23:41
De ce nu as pleca niciodata din Romania? Hmm…am plecat de ceva vreme, si nu m-as intoarce nici in cele mai negre vise…. De ce ?
1) Colorati care fac legea dupa bunul plac.
2) Coruptie cat cuprinde.
3) Lipsa totala de respect dintre oameni.
4) Ignoranta si incultura cu duiumul. O mult prea mare parte din romani au o viziune aproape pre-medievala asupra lumii in care traiesc.
5) Aici nu se face coada la moaste.
6) In lumea civilizata studiile aduc o situatie financiara decenta si respect din partea celorlalti….in Romania niciodata.
7) Vorbind de situatia financiara….nu cred ca mai necesita comentarii…
8) Aici nu auzi de basesti, ponte, becali, etc…
Ar mai fi motive pentru care ar merita sa pleci in 2 secunde din Romania…
#21 avem treaba acasa, nu vrem sa umblam calici prin imperiul britanic….luam hotii la goana din tara ?14.11.2013 23:46
n-o sa vina bani la bujet si nici profitori in rol de investitori 14.11.2013 23:39
Raspunde
revenim la socialism… ne trebuie o foamete mare si falimente in lant, cresteri de preturi insuportabile si nationalizam iar tot… o sa fie jale sa inhami la carutza colectiva pe ciocoii noi…
ciclurile acumulare – ciordeala – acumulare – ciuordeala sunt vesnice in istoria omenirii…. acumularile se fac cu munca prestata de toti cetatenii…. devalizarea se face apoi doar de cativa protejati de mercenari…. dupa care saracia impinge iar la solidaritate iar foamea la disperate, nationalizare si munca … acumulare….
cat o sa asteptati sa va dea cineva ceva si o sa priviti degeaba la farfuria goala ?
asteptam britanicii sa le vindem cu acte matrapazlite niscai terenuri inexistente pe bani frumoshi ? vin investitorii adusi ca mistele la miere de fimele printului charles ? o sa avem joburi la giudecatorie si prokoratura pentru 10000 de secole…. hahahaha
#22 ted14.11.2013 23:55
N-as pleca din tara pt. caoriunde te duci in Europa daca spui ca esti din Rominia te asemueste cu "tigan".Pina reusesti sa convingi esti umilit si marginalizat.
#23 actual roman pina la moarte. in ciuda ji da nilor occidentalilor, strainilor, ungurilor tiganilor…card vor ei acest pamant lasat noua de stramosii nostri !!!.15.11.2013 00:09
@un fost roman. Du-te. invirtindu-te. cale batuta….
afara cu strainii din tara !
la inchisoare pe viata cu tradatorii si vinzatorii de neam !
#24 ducu15.11.2013 00:18
unde sa vina englezii,in gari sau autogari insalubre,neiluminate,fara informatii,sai fure tiganii si sa-i muste cainii si sa mearga la hoteluri jegoase si mai scumpe ca la ei,sa vada mahalaua de bucuresti si constanta……….
#25 Doru15.11.2013 03:48
Foarte bine, nu plecati din Romania; in felul acesta no sa realizati niciodata in ce loc uitat de lume traiti.
#26 yo15.11.2013 05:55
Eu ma chinui de 3 ani sa plec din gaura asta de * si voi ma luati cu campanii de-astea de 2 lei? Shame on you!
#27 eu15.11.2013 05:58
O tara mai frumoasa decat Romania nu exista in toata Europa.Oamenii sunt harnici , primitori , ospitalieri , nu te lasa la greu.Romanii au traditii , cultura , obieciuri diferite de cele din Anglia.Avem si treaba, de cultivat pamantul , familiile de albine de pus la adapost , livezile de intretinut , e de munca nu gluma.Seara la gura sobei citim Eminescu , Creanga , Blaga , Alvin Toffler , Jorge Louis Borge.Neamurile ne asteapta de sarbatori cu bucate deosebite, pastrav in cetina de brad , sarmalute cu mamaliguta si toate cele.In Anglia nu gasim decat oameni straini si reci.
#28 io15.11.2013 07:34
@un fost roman: esti asa de previzibil incat duhnesti de la o posta a patetism.
#29 sica15.11.2013 08:26
Romania este o tara care ar merita o clasa politica adevarata nu niste mafioti nemernici.
#30 Dan .C-(un ardelean)15.11.2013 08:32
Voi milita ca romanii sa ,,invadeze" Marea Britanie si sa faca din ea o colonie , ASA CUM AU FACUTSI EI COLONII peste TOT in LUME, de-a lungul timpului.Nu gasesc motiv de suparare ,deoarece si romanii le fac ceea ce au facut si ei altora.Atunci de ce se supara?
#31 platitor de taxe15.11.2013 08:52
Am si eu o intrebare , cui va adesati , asistatilor social sau pensionarilor lui Dogaru ???? Atunci e explicabil pt ca orice om normal cocosat de multitudinea de taxe si impozite care este obligat sa le plateasca pt ca Ponta si ai lui alegatori sa poata dormi linistiti , nu se gandeste decat sa plece si sa traiasca DIN MUNCA LUI onorabil in orice alt loc !!! De ce sa fim umiliti in propria tara de unii care isi angajeaza toate fufele , neamurile si cunostintele submediocrein posturi bine platite , iar apoi maresc taxele sa le poata plati , in loc sa traim civilizat ???? Pai nu toti suntem teleormaneni , doljeni , vranceni sau constanteni , mai suntem si din aia care gandim !!!!!
#32 sam15.11.2013 08:53
da de ce te chinui de trei ani sa pleci?cu 100 de euro pleci unde vrea muschii tai ,in Europa.ori vrei in State si aia de la ambasada de dau cu flit de trei ani.le urez tuturor celor ca tine drum bun "succesuri"si sa nu se mai intoarca !
#33 mosu"15.11.2013 09:49
De ce sunt batran si sufar de Alzheimer. Romania? Care Romania?
#34 Ciombe15.11.2013 09:49
Constat cu amaraciune ca, aceeasi gandire (baguboasa) de sorginte ceausisto-securista, ii insoteste chiar si azi (dupa 24 de ani dela Revolutie), pe unii dintre noi si care, n-au avut in viata "misiune mai sfanta", decat, sa dezbine, instige la ura, samd. Cine isi doreste o viata mai demna si cinstita (atat pt. el cat si pt. familia sa), e automat taxat drept: tradator, vanzator de neam respectiv, antiroman. Yugoslavii, pe vremea lui Tito, se bucurau de mult mai multa libertate si respect, decat rumanii, azi! Rusineee!
#35 @34 -eu15.11.2013 10:20
Yugoslavii se bucurau de respect si dupa Tito.In unele zone , la granita cu Italia i-l venerau chiar. Optimismul trebuie sa ne caracterizeze .Respect Romania , tara care m-a format ca om.Pentru englezi – Welcome to Romania !
#36 Val15.11.2013 10:32
Sunt locuri frumoase in Romania dar le numeri pe degete. Peisajele acolo unde nu a intervenit lacomia romanilor mai salveaza situatia. De ce sa ne laudam si apoi sa vina straintii sa ne injure.
Si nu mai puneti poze cu mancare. Mancarea din restaurante nu se potriveste cu cea facuta in casa. Toate sunt niste ieftiniciuni scarboase pe bani multi.
#37 dgssag15.11.2013 10:43
eu tre sa ma intorc in romania fiindca aici nu mai e de munca
#38 dstgdgs15.11.2013 10:47
g tre sa fie lasata in pace
#39 Jos Guvernescu15.11.2013 12:01
„Spuneți de ce NU VREȚI SĂ PLECAȚI NICIODATĂ DIN ROMÂNIA”
Asta este o tâmpenie!
Care persoană cu un coeficient de inteligență normal folosește termenul ”niciodată”…?
#40 Dima15.11.2013 12:20
Din punctul de vedere al bogatiilor si frumusetii naturale ROMANIA este PESTE MEDIA tarilor existente pe TERA. Teritoriul ROMANIEI nu are nici o vina ca locuitorii acestuia nu vor sa aiba legi , reguli , principii echitabile de convetuire. Cine nu respecta legile , regulile si principiile de convetuire este admirat si considerat destept.
Boala cea mai grava in toata istoria tarii noastre a fost hotia ( cu varianta ei coruptia ). Sa ne amintim de BALADA MIORITA . Cei care au incercat sa reduca hotia ( VLAD TEPES , CUZA VODA ETC.) au fost inlaturati si blamati.
Daca toti LOCUITORII ROMANIEI ar vrea , ar fi foarte simplu si ieftin sa se inceapa CU AJUTORUL SCOLII si al BISERICII actiuni de PREVENIRE A HOTIEI ( inclusiv varianta "coruptia" ).
#41 [anonimizat]15.11.2013 12:59
Adica cum sa spunem de ce nu vrem sa plecam NICIODATA din Romania? Vor asigurari, eventual declaratii notariale ca nu vom pleca niciodata din Romania? Uite, eu vreau sa plec din Romania, vreau sa vad lumea si, daca am oportunitati, poate ma stabilesc in U.K. Care e problema? Tema campaniei lansate de ziarul britanic mi se pare o impertinenta dusa la extrem. Ce fac acum, merg pe psihologie inversa? Vor sa ne autoconvingem sa ramanem in Ro?
#42 elena15.11.2013 14:15
In anii trecuti am plecat din Ro cu familia;am intentionat ,daca ne-ar fi fost " bine" sa, ne stabilim in alta tara.Dar nu a fost sa fie.Este o poveste din viata noastra prin care am pierdut; incredere,sanatate,impliniri.S-a darmat acel "castel "inchipuit atunci ,la fata locului. Acum imi doresc DOAR sa calatoresc spre a cunoaste minunatiile Creatiei de pe Terra si, nicidecum sa-mi parasesc tara unde m-am nascut ,am copilarit si m-am scolit ani foarte multi; tara unde am profesat in sensul de a fi utila prin activitate semenilor-romani. In tara din UE in care am poposit candva, am simtit cum si pamantul sau ma respingea;eram o greutate a carui loc nu trebuia sa se afle acolo,sa-l calce.La reintoarcere in Ro, am fost primita cu caldura, bucurie de pamantul tarii mele. Aici doar! sunt si exist"acasa".Romanii sunt si rai si buni, cum sunt si alti oameni, din oricare alta tara. Dar rai si buni ,avem aceeasi casa-tara RO .
Sa ne respectam unul pe altul iar prin efortul fiecaruia sa ne construim conditii de trai benefice tuturor romanilor. Nicaieri nu este bine precum ne este "acasa".Exista o legatura puternica, precum legatura cu locul si casa parinteasca; care niciodata nu trebuie a fi instrainata.Lasati deoparte minciuna,bataia de joc a unuia fata de celalalt roman.Sa intelegem ca suntem stapani de la Dumnezeu, pe un teritoriu al nostru , fata de care avem obligatii de a-l infrumuseta si imbogati ,proteja, prin efort fizic si intelectual al fiecarui cetatean. Este suficient si in a ne opri din avantul de distrugere a mediului inconjurator sau de a ajuta pe cei nevoiasi cu dorinta in suflet de a fi util prin ganduri si fapte pozitive.Sa incercam impreuna ! aici la noi.
#43 roman si restu ****15.11.2013 15:09
in anglia toate gunoile de animal sunt presente . Deacea rasa englheza nu o sa mai existe peste cati va ani , pentru ca englegi sunt daimanegi care se * cu toate rasele de animale . noi romani suntem o natinue pura . nu ne amestcam cu maimute sau ca alte animale
#44 Vali15.11.2013 16:27
@roman si restu ****
Unde cuc ai invatat limba romana?? Sau poate nu ai scris in romaneste…:)))
#45 mircea i.15.11.2013 16:36
Rmania,nu a fost imperiu,romanii au contribuit la dezvoltarea umanitatii,asa cum au putut,cu resursele lor,n-au umblat cu tunurile pe corabii dupa sclavi,si-au vazut de saracia lor. acum,daca unii din concetatenii nostrii,impinsi de nevoi elementare,au luat drumul pribegiei,doar cu bagajul de cunostinte,ala din tara,bun rau,sunt catalogati drept tigani si nu stiu ce alte epitete… dar domniile lor,englezii,care au fost cu tunurile,in toata lumea si si-au luat,cu forta,tot ce-au vrut,cum se numesc??? nu stiti?! ma uit aici la ce scriu unii… Da,avem si pacate,dar sunt ale noastre,nu exista natiune perfecta.Dar noi,cel putin,cand am fost flamanzi,am inventat mamaliga,n-am taiat capul vecinului sa-i luam painea. Aroganta engleza vine de la inteligenta altora care vietuiesc la ei,printre care si romani. Dar,sincer,ar merita sa li se intoarca"binele"pe care l-au facut ei pri lume. asa ca : Romani, va ordon,treceti…canalul manecii! Ps: si ca sa fiu si golan un pic: de zeci de ani,stau in sufletul irlandezilor,ca chilotii-n *…
#46 NnnGgg15.11.2013 16:50
Daca un copil e flamand, mudrar si imbracat in zdrente ,nu e vinovat copilul ;daca poporul ,la ramdul lui ,e cum am aratat mai inainte…cautati la guvernanti!
#47 Slimnic15.11.2013 17:15
Printul Charles nu merge NICIODATA IN VALAHIA !
Printul Charles vine NUMAI IN TRANSILVANIA !
#48 DanielS15.11.2013 17:29
Sunt multe motive pentru care (ar trebui sa) iubim Romania!
In primul rand, este meleagul pe care ne-am nascut, iar acest lucru se traduce printr-o iubire neconditionata, ca aceea de copil pentru parintii sai. Iubim Romania, mai presus de orice, pentru peisajele minunate pe care ni le ofera, pentru bucuria de a privi lucrurile de sus, de pe un varf de munte, de a asculta ecoul din adancul unei pesteri, pentru desfatarea de a te adapa dintr-un izvor cristalin. Avem o țară excepțională, tocmai de aceea ar trebui iubită.
#49 Sandokan15.11.2013 17:35
Nu plec din tara mea!Tara asta este si a mea si nu vreau sa o las cadou ticalosilor! Ce sa caut in marea britanica(sora cu marea baltica?)?Fostul imperiu se mandreste cu ce? Cu jafurile si spolierea bogatiilor altora,cu exterminarile umane,cu sclavii pe care i-au reinventat in drumul lor spre o societate superioara,cu fobia lor fata de romani(si est-europeni in general)?Daca te uiti bine prin marea britanica,nu te mai poti misca de negrii ,despre care cred ca sunt aproape la paritate cu englezoii bautori de ceai cu lapte fix la 5 p.m.si plini de aroganta pe motiv ca centrul universului e la Londra.Acea tara care a dat cei mai multi jefuitori de pe planeta are o natiune degenerata dpdv genetic(dupa ce sora a fost re-gulata de unchiul ei,fratele si-a re-gulat verisoara ca sa le ramana averea in familie si sa creeze dinastia).Nemaivorbind ca regalitatea este depasita istoric ca si concept.Ce sa caut la marea britanica? Sa invat sa merg pe stanga cu masina?Sa masor greutatile in pound?Sau sa masor lungimea in yarzi?Cand aproape toata planeta foloseste sistemul international de masuri si greutati,ei e mai smecheri.Iar acum au nevoie de inteligenta altora(inclusiv a romanilor de geniu)sa-i scoata din haznaua biologica in care s-au scufundat,inteligenta pe care o momeste cu salarii f. mari si multe avantaje.Sa-i lasam si sa nu-i deranjam in drumul lor spre pieire.Vorba aceea:fiecare pasare pe limba ei piere.Ii u-rasc si vreau sa nu mai calce niciodata in tara mea ca nu cumva sa fie deposedati de portofele prin metrou ,sa nu doarma cu gandacii in hotel,sa nu le scuipe bucatarul si ospatarul in farfurie. Englezoi,ramaneti acasa!Nu va calc tara nici cu invitatie pe banii vostri.Nu am bani de cheltuit in haznaua voastra.Nu vreau sa aflu cat costa ceaiul vostru imputit fix la ora 5 p.m. si nici nu vreau sa amestec ceaiul cu laptele.La noi ceaiul e ceai si laptele e lapte.La noi laptele are alt mod de utilizare.Lasati-ne romanii nostri inteligenti acasa la noi.Noi avem nevoie de…
#50 profa15.11.2013 18:51
Copii, mai lipsesc cateva compuneri. Ora s-a terminat!
#51 adrian15.11.2013 18:55
nu asi da ROMANIA pe 10 ANGLII! v-a veni si vremea cand aceasta tara binecuvantata de DUMNEZEU sa fie in belsug. sa pregatin 50 mil. de oameni pentru colonizarea ANGLIEI. romanii au mai facut-o !
#52 Gogu15.11.2013 19:14
Romanii nu sunt tigani,asta trebuie sa stie astia care se tem de "invazia romanilor".Dar ma intreb,atatea secole,a ramas vre-un loc de pe pamant neinvadat de englezi?
Ar fi trebuit sa le transmitem strofa lui Eminescu:"Eu imi apar saracia…………s.am.d.
Da,la noi nu sunt locuri de munca si asta e motivul pentru care unii din noi plecam,nu neaparat in Anglia,dar unde se poate munci
#53 [anonimizat]15.11.2013 19:41
nico o data nu zi nici o data. Voi cuceri lumea. RM va fi auzita din orice contisor a lumii!!! (RM – unii pot intelege Rep. Moldova, eu descifrez ca Romania Mare)
#54 tanta15.11.2013 20:10
@marius Marius, niciodata n-o sa ma simt umilita de alt popor atat timp cat atat eu cat si cei din neamul meu au trait in cinste si adevar. Sunt multumit cu ce am: o casuta, o masina, copii frumosi si sanatosi. Goana asta dupa bunuri materiale ne-a tranformat in niste nefericiti ce privesc cu jind la ceea ce au alte popoare. Stiati ca la ora actuala mai exista tinuturi tribale? Am vazut un reportaj cu acesti "nefericiti". Esti nefericit cand te raportezi mereu la cel de alaturi. Cine doreste mai mult decat cel mai frumos cer albastru pe care-l are, deasupra capului , sa-si mute cuibul, daca asta-i e dorinta. Fiecare popor isi are cetatenii pe care-i merita.
#55 Daca…15.11.2013 21:06
@profa
Daca ai ceva de spus,fa bine si spune.E usor s-o faci pe profa care corecteaza extemporale date de elevii ei nepregatiti.Poate vrei o marire de salariu.E vorba doar despre tine,nu si despre profesorii onesti care chiar stiu sa-si faca meseria si care merita mai mult decat au.Cand faceam eu scoala,aveam profesori de care eram mandru.Acum au aparut astia ca tine….Tu poti emigra in marea britanica,n-o sa-ti simtim lipsa(acolo sunt niste mosnegi si niste babe care trebuie spalate la cuuuuur!
#56 [anonimizat]16.11.2013 01:36
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#57 Stefana Lebada16.11.2013 09:02
Sunt in Perioada in care ar trebui sa ma hotarasc unde si ce meserie sa-mi aleg. E adevarat ca mirajul pe care societatile din vest le au asupra mea e mare si m-a pus pe ganduri daca sa plec sau nu din Romania. Dar m-am gandit ca tara asta nu se va indrepta din puncte de vedere politic si economic daca toti elevii, studentii pleaca pentru ca nu sunt destul de puternici sa infrunte situatia din tara si sa faca ceva pentru tara lor. Eu consider ca sunt destul de puternica si am destul caracter ca sa ma lipt pentru aceasta tara. Dar sa nu uitam ca viata in Romania nu e doar coruptie si oameni fara educatie. Avem aici adevarate genii pe care vestul le exploateaza in locul nostru. Avem persoane care au caracter, sunt bune, au mijloace si posibilitati sa face ceva pentru tara aceasta care este frumoasa asa cum este ea cu toate contrastele ei. Avem locuri si peisaje care sunt desprinse parca din basm pe care nici o alta tara nu le are. Daca tot suntem atat de marginalizati de marea Europa, de ce nu faceti acelasi lucru si cu India care are contraste din punct de vedere al civilizatiei si societatii? E India, nu Romania! NU TOTI VREM SA PLECAM PENTRU CA AVEM CE FACE AICI! NU VREM SA PLECAM PENTRU CA AVEM O TARA FRUMOASA PENTRU CARE MERITA SA LUPTAM!
#58 Jardel16.11.2013 11:20
Noi n-am pleca niciodata din Romania deoarece ne iubim tara.Dar in dragoste niciodata sa nu spui niciodata.
#59 A.16.11.2013 12:36
We do not want to come over them, because they are as boring as an old meatloaf, they do not have regenerative medicine to solve up illnesses as oldness, diabetes, leukemia, hypersonic ecological planes, lifespans over 200 yrs, elastic wall buildings… Spatial techniques…
#60 [anonimizat]16.11.2013 13:56
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#61 drk16.11.2013 15:11
Si in anglia se cultiva capsunile,buzunare au,numai ca nu prea umbla cu cash la ei,iar iphoanele merg mai greu furate dar gasiti voi solutii …asa ca drum bun…
#62 fiji16.11.2013 15:30
@marius
Și, mă rog, unde vezi tu "autoumilirea"? Zici că "marea națiune britanică nu e interesată de subiect"; ba să știi tu că este interesată în cea mai mare parte, pentru că toate campaniile anti-imigrare ce s-au desfășurat în UK au produs un impact semnificativ în subconștientul celor mai mulți britanici. Sunt mulți cei care se tem de venirea românilor și a bulgarilor în Arhipelag dar, dacă le ceri să-ți explice concret de ce anume le este frică, nu știu ce să spună. Oricum, picătura chinezească își face efectul!
3C – articol Planul guvernului britanic de a scăpa de imigranții români și bulgari: ”Vă rugăm să nu veniți. Plouă și joburile sunt prost plătite”
Link: http://www.gandul.info/international/planul-guvernului-britanic-pentru-a-scapa-de-imigrantii-romani-si-bulgari-va-rugam-sa-nu-veniti-ploua-si-joburile-sunt-prost-platite-10525181/galerie
Guvernul britanic ia în considerare, între alte opțiuni, lansarea unei campanii publicitare negative în România și Bulgaria, în încercarea de a a-i convinge pe potențialii imigranți să nu vină în Marea Britanie după anularea restricțiilor, scrie presa britanică.
"Vă rugăm nu veniți în Marea Britanie. Plouă, joburile sunt puține și prost plătite", plănuiesc miniștrii să fie mesajul acestei campanii negative, scrie The Guardian în ediția online. Planul, care se va concentra asupra dezavantajelor vieții britanicilor, figurează între alte opțiuni, ca înăsprirea accesului imigranților din Uniunea Europeană (UE) la servicii publice sau "deportarea" celor care nu găsesc un loc de muncă într-un termen de trei luni, potrivit publicației.
Această campanie va "corecta impresia potrivit căreia străzile de aici sunt pavate cu aur", a declarat un oficial la sfârșitul săptămânii, scrie ziarul. The Guardian adaugă că nu s-au dezvăluit informații despre felul în care va arăta campania, dacă aceasta îi va prezenta pe britanici "cât mai groaznic posibil" sau îi va încuraja pe potențialii imigranți să se bucure de Carpații români sau stațiunile bulgare de la Marea Neagră
În contextul în care guvernele din lumea întreagă cheltuiesc sume importante angajând consultanți din Londra să le facă imagine, "ar fi o ironie dacă Marea Britanie ar opta să își strice imaginea", notează The Guardian. Publicația citează precedente, ca cel din 2007, când Eurostar a făcut o campanie publicitară trenurilor sale în Belgia, în care apare un "skinhead" tatuat urinând într-o ceașcă de porțelan chinezesc.
Potrivit ediției online a Daily Mail, o "opțiune nucleară" ar fi declararea unei "urgențe economice" cu scopul de a descuraja imigrația, deși avocații Guvernului au păreri împărțile despre legalitatea unei asemenea opțiuni. Publicația precizează că după introducerea unei limitări a sumelor de bani pe care imigranții le pot solicita ca ajutoare, măsura poate fi plasată în centrul acestei campanii publicitare negative, ulterior, anul acesta.
Parlamentari conservatori au exercitat presiuni asupra premierului David Cameron pentru a bloca migrația dinspre România și Bulgaria după anularea restricțiilor impuse celor două țări la sfârșitul acestui an, potrivit ediției online a publicației Daily Express. Ei doresc o acțiune care să asigure o "relaxare" a limitelor numărului de imigranți din cele două state UE, cu respectarea legislației Uniunii, potrivit publicației.
Tabloidul Mirror comentează că această campanie publicitară negativă ar contrasta cu imaginea "strălucitoare" de țară prosperă și fericită a campaniei – "Britania este Mare" – de promovare a Jocurilor Olimpice în această țară. Iar unii "critici se tem că planul ar putea afecta Regatul Unit prin descurajarea investițiilor unor afaceri străine", avertizează publicația.
Financial Times citează în ediția electronică un oficial de la Downing Street care a minimizat, duminică, o asemenea campanie negativă, respingând ideea. "Trebuie să acționăm în cadrul legii, însă sunt multe de făcut. Nu există propuneri concrete încă", a declarat acest oficial.
Publicația apreciază că Guvernul nu crede că anularea măsurilor de tranziție vizând cele două țări va aduce un val de bulgari și români, adăugând că Downing Street acordă atenție acestei probleme în contextul alegerilor și unor presiuni interne.
#1 britanicii n-au cum sa scape de forta de munca migratoare din europa28.01.2013 09:21
poate doar daca se vor retrage din uniunea europeana… ceea ce ile-ar ingreuna accesul produselor pe piata de desfacere a uniunii europene…
asadara vor fi nevoiti sa accepte faptul ca au angajatori amatori de profit care vor angaja straini… fie ei bine pregatiti si instruiti cum sunt cei care vin din romania… cu exceptii de rigoare, evident….
#2 Valentina28.01.2013 09:41
Nicio problema, pentru ploaie folosim umbrelele. Daca slujbele sunt prost platite, ne luam doua.
#3 ioan28.01.2013 10:25
ENGLEZII astea chiar sunt penibili. Sa nu uite ca si populatia din coloniile ocupate de ei nu i-au vrut dar ei tot s-au dus
#4 sss28.01.2013 10:25
Dar de ce le e frica ca dam buzna. Daca cunt competitivi pe piata de munca nu au de ce sa le fie frica.
#5 Daniel28.01.2013 10:59
Pot adauga si ca sint in curs de asimilare de catre pakistanezi…
#6 buzoianu alexandru28.01.2013 11:53
BUCURESTIUL NU ARE NICI O REACTIE EI APARA PE DUHUL S/AI POARTE.SE INTREC IN REPLICI BATEAR DUMNEZEU ,NU AU GRIJA CELOR CARE I/AU ALES.DUPA 23 DE ANI ARATAM CA SOMALIA MAI ALES LA TARA.BINE O SA SPUNETI CA SUNT INCOMPETENT.INCERCATI SI VOI SA FACETI CINSTIT CEVA,NU EXISTA O BANCA PENTRU CEI CARE AU UN PLAN DE AFACERI DE SUCCES,NUMAI DACA AI O ALTA AFACERE CA BANCA SA SE ASIGURE CA ISI REPRIMESTE BANII.CUM SE INPLICA STATUL IN AI AJUTA PE CEI CU IDIEI SI POTENTIAL DE MUNCA.PREOCUPARILE LOR TRASNIAR DUMNEZEU E CUM SA SCHIMBE LEGI ,CUNSTITUTIA,SALARII CAT DE MARI SI ALTE AVANTAJE.NU AM NICI O EXPLICATIE LA CE INTAMPLA CU VOI.E CEVA CRONIC IN NATIA ROMANA
#7 al-romanu28.01.2013 11:57
Acelasi guvern a sfatuit cetatenii sa faca oameni de zapada ca sa nu se inunde orasele la dezghet. Hai sicktir
#8 Hede moa mesiu … hede moa …28.01.2013 12:15
… mai bine faceau reclama pentru Franta – soare, cald, joburi bune (nu ca nativii din Tzandarei City are avea vreo problema cu asta )
#9 dragos28.01.2013 16:04
Nu-i nimic. Venim si pe grindina!
#10 iulia28.01.2013 19:58
Dragi Galbenei,aveti dreptate dar noua ne place si asa!
3D – articol De acum poți folosi aplicația ”Come to Romania” direct pe site-ul Gandul. Fă-ți singur afișul prin care le răspunzi britanicilor
Link: http://www.gandul.info/stiri/de-acum-poti-folosi-aplicatia-come-to-romania-direct-pe-site-ul-gandul-fa-ti-singur-afisul-prin-care-le-raspunzi-britanicilor-10542676
Așa cum am promis în urmă cu câteva zile, când Facebook a închis pentru a doua oară aplicația "Come to Romania", oferim posibilitatea cititorilor noștri să genereze afișe cu mesaje către britanici direct pe site-ul Gândul.
Gândul și GMP au venit cu o idee, iar voi ați arătat că împreună putem produce schimbarea. Mulțumim celor care dau LIKE și SHARE campaniei "WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER?".
Cum se folosește aplicația
Scrie mesajul tău în căsuța specială din aplicație, în limita a 65 de caractere, și generează afișul pe care dorești să-l distribui prietenilor tăi pe Facebook.
Pentru a salva afișul apasă butonul dreapta al mouse-ului și selectează opțiunea "Salvează imaginea".
Când postezi mesajul pe wall te rugăm să folosești textul "Susțin campania @Gândul «WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER?»" și să atașezi link-ul http://bit.ly/11KP5s8, astfel încât și prietenii tăi să ni se poată alătura.
#1 razvan4.02.2013 23:32
Nu am Facebook, dar e buna de afisat.
We don't need a newspaper called THE SUN. We actually see the sun every day!
#2 irina5.02.2013 00:13
@razvan: foarte bine punctat! si nu trebuie sa ai facebook, ti se creaza afisul direct pe site-ul gandul… live, cum ar veni. :)) eu am zis asa: God save the King: our king Michael is your queen's cousin!
sper sa nu fie interpretat in vreun fel, e acelasi lucru ca remarca ta despre soare… limpede ca lumina zilei :))
#3 paul5.02.2013 00:18
LIPSA DE INFORMAȚIE ESTE MERITUL PROȘTILOR.
#4 Titi5.02.2013 00:53
Our women ware lipstick. We don't need a building to remind them that.
#5 chichi5.02.2013 03:01
Io am afisat mesajul NHS=still alive for sure! Romanian hospitals=dead for sure! insa nu mi-a aparut nimic!!! Feisbuci nu mai am demult!!
#6 Slawa5.02.2013 03:10
Imi dispare textul cand apas pe butonul…
#7 chichi5.02.2013 03:19
Euthanasia is banned in UK! In ROU is for free in hospitals!
#8 chichi5.02.2013 03:25
UK Police= professionals. ROU Police=bribery!
#9 chichi5.02.2013 03:34
Ma kak pe campania voastra!!! Tineti-va somerii acasa si nu ii aruncati pe spinarea altora!!! Io sunt cetatean mioritic cu rezidenta britanica!!! Nu vreau ca mioritici sa aiba acces liber in UK!!! Deja e plina tara de ilegali estici care traiesc la gramada intrun apartament si muncesc la negru pentru mai putin decat salariul minim pe economie!!! Disperatii aistia au distrus piata muncii….iar aia self-employed nu-si platesc taxele ca cica nu au de unde insa se inscriu la ajutoare sociale si case de la primarie ca au fatat copii si trebuie sa le dea guvernul ajutoare si casa pe gratis!!! Intre timp io platesc taxe pentru ei!!!
#10 lol5.02.2013 04:01
In UK, you discovered the laws of physics. In Romania, we're still struggling to discover the laws.
#11 lol5.02.2013 04:03
You invented the computer. We invented an app, and even that says "No space left on device".
#12 lol5.02.2013 04:04
In Romania, you can visit your past without a Time Machine.
#13 lol5.02.2013 04:05
When Apocalypse will strike London, Bucharest will still lag behind a few years.
#14 lol5.02.2013 04:06
You are welcome in Romania. Sorry we stepped for a few years, to clean Italians' toilets.
#15 muga5.02.2013 10:33
pai daca esti dobitoc ???? mai bine taceai dracului din gura….fraier ce esti, bine ca ai plecat din tara ca mureai calcat de tramvai….
#16 dan5.02.2013 11:19
pt #9 chichi – ramai acolo cu maimutele tale
tu vorbesti de somaj – pai anglia are un somaj imens – nu se compara cu romania la nici un capitol – noi avem vreme buna, femei bune, mancare buna, somaj bun(mic), resurse, etc
voi nu aveti nimic – ce aveti ??????????? sunteti vai de capul vostru
englezii sunt prosti si fffffff urati – end of story – ramai cu ei pe insula aia ……..
#17 Georgeta Radulescu5.02.2013 12:23
You have glorious history – We have kings who preferred dying to betraying the Christian faith of our ancestors!
#18 a * ro-maniac5.02.2013 13:05
Worried about those extra pounds?!
Try the Romania diet 😉
#19 letinu filip5.02.2013 19:48
Eaven our 1998 footbal team was more feminine than your women.
#20 teopopart5.02.2013 20:48
Tu de unde ai aterizat inteligentule, de pe ce coclauri vest moldovenesti,,go est´´
#21 Dan Munteanu6.02.2013 05:03
Let kidney pie be thing of your past! Come over,we wont hold it against you!
#22 Ze fun6.02.2013 13:43
Dear brits, you have so many beaches, but who in the hell wants to visit them?
#23 alex6.02.2013 14:18
esti un dobitoc ingamfat ….sa mori in iad
#24 Pentru chichi6.02.2013 14:37
Sa inteleg ca esti roman cu rezidenta in UK? Auzi la el sa nu vine mioriticii da tu ce * mea cauti acolo dobitocule :))) sunt care vor sa munceasca, nu cred ca esti vreun doctoras pe la Londra dupa cum scrii cuvintele romanesti, si nu cred ca platesti tu 1000 si ceva de lire chirie stand singur sau cu inca o persoana in casa.Esti cel mai mare dobitoc intalnit pana acum pe net =)))))) sa nu vina nimeni doar el sa stea acolo(gandire de retardat)…si oricum nu veneam bulangiule :))))))) ca eu sunt capabil sa traiesc destul de bine in Romania nu ca tine ratatule :))) daca este sa plece de aici toti care au gandirea ta, cred ca Romania este pe drumul cel bun
#25 bogdan gradinariu6.02.2013 15:07
Even Cheekey Girls amazed you.
Imagine our intellectuals!
#26 Marin Georgescu6.02.2013 15:18
Pentru campania Gandul:
Why should we enemies. Finally our king and your queen are relatives.
#27 un roman6.02.2013 15:51
* ENGLAND. STAY HOME BRITS. WE DON'T NEED YOU HERE.
#28 Alecu6.02.2013 18:30
ASA CAMPANIE AR TREBUI FACUTA SI IN iTALIA SAU FRANTA . SUNT TARILE CARE AU CELE MAI URATE SI MAI JOSNICE PREJUDICII IN LEGATURA CU ROMANII.
#29 Andrei Micu6.02.2013 20:30
Romania: Tasty food an gorgeous girls – Come for either, stay for both!
Cine a impus limita de 65 caractere (in care nu poti sa scrii mai nimic!) si de ce toate exemplele au cu mult peste 65 caractere!
#30 mishu6.02.2013 20:53
n-o sa-ti raspunda nimeni, astia de la gandul sunt niste idioti ingamfati
#31 Andrei6.02.2013 21:34
We never have been colonized! Why don't you come over?
#32 Ionut6.02.2013 22:09
You never thought that ROMANIAN men come in the UK because they live after the concept of "being a GENTLEMAN" !! 1-0 😀
#33 Cristian6.02.2013 22:23
Why don't you come to Romania, our bars, pubs and clubs don't close at 1 am
#34 Cristian6.02.2013 22:28
Pardon asta are mai mult impact
Why don't you come to romania, our pars,pubs and clubs close at 8. In the morning
#35 Elena Simulescu7.02.2013 08:53
Come to Romania, at Phoenicia Grand Hotel,
we make the best pancakes for Pancake Day ( 12th of February)!
#36 atentu`7.02.2013 10:39
…nu va ajunge niciodata.De ce prelungitzi aceasta campanie? Nu va da-tzi seama ca se demonetizeaza. Facetzi orice pentru rating. Bine a spus Puric ,,ratingul este pentru mitocani,,
#37 GVC7.02.2013 18:38
@ #9 chichi Fatat-o din UK ! Ai fost si tu la vremea ta in situatia celor pe care-i denigrezi si desfiintezi acum.
#38 Fas7.02.2013 18:44
@ #36 atentu`-lui la bunul simt ! Campania va tine atat cat vrem noi sa trecem pe aici ! Inclusiv tu alimentezi ratingul in acest caz ! In rest, ce-ti pasa tie ? Ca s-ar putea sa o mai duca si altcineva bine pe langa tine ! Dupa tine potopul ? Poa' sa-ti moara fratii de foame, tu esti partz adevarat de uk acum, te doare-n joben de toti cei pe care-i intoarce de la aeroport inapoi ! Rahati cu ochi !
#39 Bogdan7.02.2013 21:02
We have the biggest onshore wind farm in Europe. And it actually works
#40 nae8.02.2013 11:49
@chichi
Ba chichi …Am imresia ca daca nu te bagi singur in seama nu te baga nimeni …Nici aici nici acolo…
#41 FAC15.11.2013 14:52
Drunk or not, we still can walk..
#42 DanielS15.11.2013 18:06
Come to Romania, our coffee shops don't close at 11 pm.
3E – articol Campania Gândul ”Why don`t you come over?” – Peste 100 de materiale în presa internațională
Link: http://www.gandul.info/stiri/campania-gandul-why-don-t-you-come-over-peste-100-de-materiale-in-presa-internationala-10600041
Campania Gândul "Why don't you come over?" a avut un mare impact internațional, atrăgând peste 100 de materiale în presa internațională, în titluri prestigioase din Marea Britania, SUA, Franța, Germania, Irlanda, Spania, Ungaria, Belgia, Brazilia, India, Elveția și Pakistan.
După ce i-a invitat pe britanici să vină în România, le-a oferit canapele și locuri de muncă, campania "Why don't you come over?" s-a încheiat cu mesajul românilor către premierul David Cameron, care a fost publicat luni, 11 februarie 2013, în The Guardian.
Demarată de către GMP Advertising și Gândul și continuată cu ajutorul Webstyler, campania "Why don’t you come over? " a pornit ca un răspuns la campania "Nu veniți în Anglia!", inițiată de The Guardian. În doar două săptămâni, campania "Why don’t you come over?" s-a răspândit în toată lumea și le-a arătat străinilor, dar și românilor, că se poate vorbi și de bine despre români, că ne putem promova prin umor și vești pozitive.
Rezultatele campaniei includ: peste 5.000.000 impresii în presa românească (print, online, radio, TV); peste 100 de materiale în presa internațională; peste 1.500.000 impresii pe Facebook; 49.000 impresii pe Twitter; peste 17.000 impresii pe bloguri și în comentarii; peste 60.000 comentarii în presa românească online; peste 300 de români și-au pus canapelele la dispoziția britanicilor care vor să vină în vizită; 2 britanici și-au depus candidatura pentru locuri de muncă în România.
Campania a avut un mare impact internațional și vizibilitate în titluri prestigioase din Marea Britania, SUA, Franța, Germania, Irlanda, Spania, Ungaria, Belgia, Brazilia, India, Elveția și Pakistan. Au scris ori vorbit despre campania "Why don’t you come over?" Financial Times, Associated Press, BBC News, Huffington Post, Reuters, ZDF, Daily Mirror, The Independent, El Mundo, The World și BBD Lincolnshire. Subiectul a ajuns și în Time, devenind prima campanie românească depre care scrie faimoasa publicație.
"Cred ca am descoperit un lucru important aici: nu poți să faci campanie pozitivă României vorbind doar despre peisaje și tradiții. România trebuie să arate ca e modernă, adaptată la vremuri și inteligentă. Asta am încercat să facem: să le arătăm englezilor că au cu cine sta de vorbă. Cu români fără complexe de inferioritate, care sunt dispuși să folosească umorul pentru a construi înțelegere și dialog!", declară Claudiu Pândaru, Director editorial Gândul.info.
"Englezii au o vorbă: «We walk the talk». Cu această campanie le-am demonstrat că și noi, românii, credem în acest principiu. I-am invitat aici cu postere, le-am oferit și cazare și locuri de muncă. Totul e pe bune", spune Mihai Gongu, Creative Director GMP Advertising.
"Ideea de couchsurfing ne-a venit când am vazut reacțiile românilor la primele postere ale campaniei. S-a creat o energie pozitivă și oamenii doreau să se implice. Platforma de couchsurfing le-a oferit ocazia să-și arate ospitalitatea dincolo de vorbe", afirmă Bogdan Nițu, Genereal Manager Webstyler.
Webstyler s-a alăturat inițiativei GMP Advertising și Gândul și a venit cu ideea unei platforme de "couchsurfing" (www.whydontyoucomeover.co.uk), care să le dovedească britanicilor că românii vorbesc serios când îi invită să vină în vizită. În același website a fost integrat și modulul de joburi, unde britanicii pot candida în continuare pentru o slujbă în România, cu doar un click. Lista de joburi a fost lansată cu ajutorul echipei de la Ziarul Financiar și conține o serie de slujbe bine plătite disponibile în România, pentru care este nevoie de o pregătire superioară. Pe site s-au înregistrat deja candidaturi venite din UK.
Devenită fenomen viral în România, campania a ieșit și în stradă. Mulțumită A&M International, care a susținut campania cu componenta de producție print, și Euromedia, care a oferit pro bono spațiu media, zece dintre vizualurile campaniei au fost amplasate în zone centrale ale Bucureștiului.
Gândul.info este liderul ziarelor online din România – deținut de Mediafax Group, cel mai puternic grup media din țară.
GMP Advertising este una dintre cele mai importante agenții creative independente, făcând echipă cu agenția Webstyler pentru campaniile de publicitate online.
Întreaga campanie a fost finanțată din fonduri private și nu a fost afiliată cu nicio instituție politică sau guvernamentală din România sau din altă parte.
Anexa 4 – articole din Marea Britanie
4A – articol ”Don`t mess with Romania”
Link: http://fleishmanhillard.com/2013/07/true/dont-mess-with-romania/
Campaign: When news got out that the U.K. was running an anti-immigration campaign in Romania and Bulgaria to discourage residents from coming to Britain, Romanian newspaper Gandul (which translates as The Thought) fired back.
Since the British campaign was focusing on the downsides of life in Britain, Gandul decided to create a campaign that took pity on the poor Brits forced to live in such a rainy, economically bleak country. “Why don’t you come over,” was Gandul’s Visit Romania campaign. The newspaper ran ads promising cheap beer and another incentive to visit: “Half of our women look like Kate [the Duchess of Cambridge, wife of William and new mum]. The other half, like her sister.” The ads were shared on Facebook, where people also had the chance to write their own headlines encouraging people to visit before sharing them through a Gandul-badged campaign page.
The campaign also allowed Romanians to offer their couches for U.K. refugees through whydontyoucomeover.co.uk website, which imitated popular peer-to-peer sites such as accommodation network AirBnB. Some 300 couches were offered through the scheme within two days. Romanian firms were encouraged to use the site to advertise vacancies to British jobseekers.
Despite zero media budget, the campaign generated €2m worth of worldwide earned media, with 87 million media impressions, 5.1 million in Romania. Gandul.info readership increased by 30 percent, and the paper’s Facebook engagement was boosted by 37 percent. Social network buzz around the paper increased by 137 percent.
The campaign, orchestrated by GMP Advertising Romania in Bucharest, forced British newspapers to concede that the Eastern European destination was an attractive vacation prospect, while the U.K. authorities abandoned their campaign to deter the Romanian and Bulgarian migrants.
Contagious, McNeel Weigh In
Contagious: Gandul successfully “newsjacked” here, responding super-swiftly to the pledge from British Prime Minister David Cameron to close the doors to Romanian migrants: It took just two days for the paper to launch the Visit Romania campaign. What’s more, a tongue-in-cheek response with strong copywriting was a solid start to Gandul‘s campaign, strengthening its reputation at home.
But like any newsjacking campaign, humorous or otherwise, it was important to follow up. In this case, the Facebook application and couch and job offer site allowed readers to take ownership of their paper’s efforts, closely aligning them with the product. Engagement with the media outlet also increased; Gandul ran a news sidebar on its campaign site along with social media links.
It is debatable whether the campaign will reap long-term reward. A tourist office could make lasting use of the whydontyoucomeover website and use the headlines generated and web data extracted to build new connections with tourists and destinations alike. On the other hand, a media brand is unlikely to pan any more gold than the temporary boost afforded by its timing. This, perhaps, isn’t the point: Gandul.info is reinforcing its sense of national pride, which helps to differentiate it from other online news sources in Romania.
John McNeel: By now, everyone is familiar with the tweet that changed the face of social media: Oreo’s brilliantly opportunistic hijacking of the Super Bowl blackout.
It was really just the latest, greatest case of a brand understanding that, in today’s real-time world, a different standard applies. A brand’s message has to be not only on target, but also timely. Quick response is no longer just a nice-to-have; it’s a strategic imperative.
When the UK—somewhat foolishly and parochially—announced its intention earlier this year to launch a campaign to discourage Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants from coming, many in Europe were outraged. Yet, it took a small newspaper in the capital of Romania, on the fringes of the European Union, to respond, virtually overnight, to this affront to Romanian national pride. And to do it in a way that was not only social media savvy, but deliciously waggish.
This confrontation of David and Goliath on the battlefields of social media resulted in an about-face from Downing Street that was every bit as swift as the “creative projectile” had been well placed.
Many of us will cringe at the reference in the case video to the “millions in free media” that the campaign was able to garner. But the fact remains that this was an idea seized in the moment and executed in the moment. It earned those headlines because it was a perfect example of a brand (Romania) understanding that part of its national personality (scrappiness and street smarts) could find an expression in this humorous assault on British insular self-sufficiency.
Anticipation is one of the mainstays of the public relations industry. Developing scenarios for even the worst cases our clients might face is one of the ways we help mitigate risk.
But ultimately, as Oreo and Romania so effectively demonstrate, it’s our ability to think creatively, on our feet, in the moment, that increasingly will make the difference between simply serving our clients and helping transform their businesses and their brands.
4B – articol `Come to Romania: our women look like Kate and Pippa`: Newspaper launches campaign against UK portrayal of immigrants
Link: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/kate-middleton-gandul-romanian-newspaper-1569564
The campaign, by Gandul, hits back at what many Romanians see as scaremongering by the UK government ahead of the lifting of EU work restrictions next year
A Romanian newspaper has launched a tongue-in-cheek advertising campaign featuring the Duchess of Cambridge, hitting back at Britain’s negative portrayal of immigrants.
Bucharest daily newspaper Gandul questions why anyone would want to head to the UK when in Romania “half our women look like Kate, the other half like her sister”.
The satirical campaign, entitled "Why don't you come over?" also boasts “Our draft beer is cheaper than your bottled water” and “We serve more food groups than pie, sausage, fish & chips.”
Duchess Kate is not the only royal to be referenced in the spoof ads, which add "We may not like Britain, but you'll love Romania".
Another says: “Charles bought a house here in 2005. And Harry has never been photographed naked.”
But behind the mockery is a serious message for Britain.
The campaign hits back at what many Romanians see as scaremongering by the UK government ahead of the lifting of EU work restrictions next year.
Romanians, and their Balkan counterparts in Bulgaria, consider themselves to be hard-working, skilled employees with excellent English who already contribute to Britain's economy.
They say that reports they will bleed dry the welfare system once EU restrictions are lifted are both exaggerated and offensive.
“We are mocked, denigrated and made to feel like third-class citizens," said Gandul editorial director Claudiu Pandaru.
“This is a humorous, good-mannered response. We want to show the British that we have two important reserves: intelligence and humour.”
Bulgarian construction worker Dimitar Dimitrov, who has lived and worked in London since 2010, feels insulted.
"I am a European citizen, like thousands of my compatriots here, and I don't understand why we are discriminated against. I am working probably harder than every single citizen of Her Majesty, and contributing to the economy in the UK with my taxes and social security payments," he told Bulgarian media.
In the UK, statistics show that almost one million Eastern Europeans have come to Britain over the past decade, and data from the 2011 census showed that Polish is now the second-most common language in the country.
Romania and Bulgaria are the EU's poorest nations.
The British media has spoken of a "migrants flood" and a "border alert."
For its part, the British government has responded to such fears by saying it is considering "options" to deter a potentially huge influx of Romanians and Bulgarians.
Ideas include ads explaining that new immigrants could face restrictions on what welfare benefits they can claim, or be deported if they fail to get a job.
Romanians acknowledge that some of their citizens have given the country a bad with name with ATM scams, begging and pickpocketing.
But they insist these cases are a minority, with most of their citizens law-abiding, taxpaying citizens.
Romeo Jon Mickay 3:29 PM on 13/1/2014
Romeo Jon Mikay I've been listening for a while now all over the place about this issue,Bulgarians/Romanians overrunning the british island! I would like to make a short comment on behalf of that as well ,with a short Genesis. 1st -for Centuries the anglo saxons encouraged and supported the ottoman empire to subdue the balkans and the nations of east Europe! Because they have always been afraid of the Slavs,for competitive reasons. 2nd-after WW2 the region was sold out to Stalin,because churchill had no intention to live there after the war! 3rd-they,the anglo saxons,start the cold war,establish radio free europe/deutsche welle/ etc.etc ,and agitate,provoke the repressed people of the communist block ,to revolt/escape/dessert/betray low and behold it materializes. 4th- a queazy democracy established by the provocateur,supporting the old dictators and their groomed heirs ,start to rob and plunder those nations to the point of poverty and misery ,creating wide spread unemployment,social injustice,demographic depopulation and brain drain! 5th- because of point #4 the people of those unwanted nations are leaving their birth places,families,friends,properties and what have you,not because of the urge of an unexperienced adventure , but because of what was created by the expeller of their destination. And all this ,because the depleted of natural resources West is afraid of a prospering European East.
Mariella Blago 3:01 PM on 2/2/2013
All I want to say is that we (Bulgarians and Romanians) are not prostitutes. In fact most of us have very high morals. If you go on a date with a Bulgarian, and I suppose a Romanian girl, there's no way she lets you pay the whole bill. It is not because we are proud women or don't like special treatment and presents… Not even close! We do it, just because we don't want you guys to think that you can buy us with food, gifts or anything like that. It is true that both Eastern European countries have problems with human trafficking, however most of the girls that you would see as prostitutes are forced to do it against their will, by their pimps, usually from gypsy origin. It is high time for the British and the rest of the world to understand the difference between Bulgarian and Romanian and Gypsy, because it is huge. Even in appearance we do not look alike, let alone behaviour, manners and lifestyle. Peace to everyone! 🙂
Pete Elvey 8:00 AM on 2/2/2013
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ROMANINA BUT THE LADIES OF BULGARIA ARE VERY BEAUTIFUL AND MORE FASHIONABLE THAN ENGLISH LADIES AND THE MEN WORK VERY HARD AND ARE AS SKILLED AS ANY BRIT.
4C – articol Romanian campaign mocks UK anxiety about worker influx
Link: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-21291847
The news website Gandul boasts in English: "Half of our women look like Kate. The other half, like her sister."
The pro-Romania campaign is a response to British media reports that the UK government is considering negative ads about Britain to put off migrants.
UK curbs on workers from Bulgaria and Romania are set to be lifted next year.
The last Labour government agreed transitional controls on immigration from the two Balkan countries when they joined the European Union in 2007, but these expire next year.
Kate Middleton – the Duchess of Cambridge and wife of Prince William – is not the only British royal featured in Gandul's playful campaign.
Another Gandul ad notes that Prince Charles bought a house in Romania in 2005. He is known to be a big fan of Romania's Transylvania region and its rural traditions.
Gandul also boasts that "our draft beer is less expensive than your bottled water".
Another ad refers to the hugely popular British TV show Top Gear, whose presenter praised a highway in Romania.
The campaign teases the British with the words: "We may not like Britain, but you'll love Romania".
How many will come?
Media reports say the UK government is considering restricting access to public services for future migrants, among potential responses to the easing of immigration rules.
Next year Bulgaria and Romania will enjoy the same rights as other EU member states in the European labour market.
The think tank Migration Watch, which supports tighter immigration controls, estimates that about 50,000 people from Romania and Bulgaria will come to the UK each year until 2019 and that this will have "significant consequences" for housing and jobs.
The EU's eastward enlargement in 2004 brought a huge wave of East Europeans to the UK, at a time when only two other EU countries – Sweden and the Republic of Ireland – were allowing unrestricted access to their labour markets.
Most of the new EU jobseekers in the UK were from Poland – in numbers far greater than had been predicted by the UK government at the time.
Socialist MEPs from Bulgaria and Romania have sent a letter to EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, voicing concern about possible UK moves to keep restrictions in place.
The letter, quoted in Bulgarian media, says: "We are facing the danger of citizens of the newest member states being prevented from exercising their rights guaranteed to them by EU treaties."
"What is more, we believe that a wave of hostile statements since the beginning of the year aims to stigmatise these citizens as second-class Europeans who pose a threat to the social systems, just because they want to exercise their basic rights to free movement and work."
The letter was supported by the chair of the Socialists and Democrats (S&D) group in the European Parliament, Hannes Swoboda.
4D – articol The test in Bucharest: Romania`s women might look like Kate and Pippa, but its economy`s not so pretty
Link: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/romanias-women-might-look-like-1572117
When cheeky Romanians claimed their country beats the UK in every way – including pretty girls – the Sunday People just had to check it out.
Promotional adverts in the East European country said half their girls are like the Duchess of Cambridge and the rest are like her sister Pippa Middleton.
The boasts, in Gandul newspaper, were a tongue-in-cheek riposte to British plans for an ad campaign deterring Romanians from flooding to the UK when EU working restrictions are lifted next year.
One said ‘Half of our women look like Kate, the other half, like her sister’.
And after in-depth research we can reveal the girls there ARE beautiful – with lots of Kate and Pippa lookalikes.
However, most of the beauties told us – in their excellent English – that they want to come to BRITAIN for a better life.
Bravely leaving no stone unturned, we visited the smoke-filled bars of Bucharest’s old town.
In one, lovely brunette student [anonimizat], 19, a dead ringer for Pippa, told us: “Romanian girls are very beautiful and I like the comparison with Kate and her sister. One of my friends has told me about London and I would like to move there.”
Her pretty friend Diana Hututui, who bears an uncanny likeness to Kate, hoped the joke posters will tempt some Brit hunks to Bucharest.
She purred: “British guys should definitely come here. We like British guys. We like your accent, it is nice, and you dress good.”
Lovely law student [anonimizat], 22, said: “I have been to London. It is much better there than here in Romania.
“I think when the visa restrictions are lifted next year I will move to London. It is beautiful and the wages are better.”
Cute Maria Ama, 20, added: “I like England. I was in love with London, it is so beautiful. I would like to come and work in England when I finish university.”
Other slogans read ‘Our draft beer is less expensive than your bottled water’, ‘Charles bought a house here and Harry has never been photographed naked once’ and ‘We speak better English than anywhere you’ve been in France’.
Well, Prince Charles HAS bought a string of houses in Romania since falling in love with its wild landscape.
And things ARE much cheaper – we bought a pint of beer at a bar for 91p.
Volvic bottled water costs £1 at Tesco in the UK and a pint of beer costs £3.50 in the Sunday People’s local back home.
Romania’s national dish sarmale, a mix of meat, veg and rice wrapped in cabbage, costs around £5.91. Britain’s fish and chips average £7.60.
Twenty cigarettes cost just £2.46 in Romania, compared to around £7 in Britain. And a litre of petrol will set you back £1.14. In the UK it costs £1.34.
But Romania is a long way short of being a paradise. Almost half the population live in poverty and one in three cannot afford to pay bills or warm their homes. One in four under-25s are unemployed and those lucky enough to have a job average £300 a MONTH. The Brit figure is £2,200 before tax.
The city centre is full of ugly housing blocks in disrepair and last year thousands took to the streets to riot against conditions.
It has been estimated around 50,000 people a year from Romania and Bulgaria will move to the UK when controls are relaxed later this year.
Bob Wouldntyaliketano 6:12 AM on 19/3/2014
While the statistics for beautiful girls does hold in Bucharest, you fail to mention one thing. Bucharest is like a Mecca of sorts for camgirls. The city has many many large studios as well as a lot if independent models. Most of these girls moved to the city from surrounding areas when they were old enough to go out on their own to look for work. They countryside is indeed beautiful. It is one of my favorite countries to visit for extended vacations. IMO, the thing that holds the country back is the simple fact that corruption is still in every public and private office or business. Once this dishonesty is dealt with sufficiently I think there will be plenty of improvement country wide as well as investment by outside countries and big business. I for one would love to move there for my retirement years and own/operate some apartments.
Octavian Cucută 8:52 PM on 23/12/2013
Yeah. Take a picture with them beauties. You don't even deserve the share the space between them. "Sunday People" – is the "Sunday driver" expression foreign to you? 🙂
Allan James 1:26 AM on 4/12/2013
oh and another thing all romania needs is ppl with skills and money to go there and live the romanian way i would hate to see it "helped" buy rich people intent on changing it for it is good as it is its just like most countrys its wealth is unbalanced
well from the people i have spoken to in romania they dont want to move they love there country and i know why here in england people are losing touch with the natural beauty they see only tv screens and mobiles i intend to visit romania and see for my self it is a shame it has poverty but at least they have good food close familys and are warm people.i have morals and self respect here in liverpool its hard to find many men like me i guess romania for me is everything u need to be happy england has way more chice and its often all uneeded and materialistic..
Claudia Pal 9:54 PM on 20/8/2013
People shouldn't be judged ,but understood.We are all the same ,more or less, nobody is superior.
Irimies Sorin 8:58 PM on 22/7/2013
Hi.
I am a Romanian, am 28 years old, studied English for more than 12 years and even write poetry in English and German.
I live in Germany, work as a developer for an automotive company here in Stuttgart.
My wife is also Romanian and she is a Doctor and works here in Stuttgart as well.
However, I wish to add one thing though.
The article is a little bit condenscendent hence it is concentrating itself on propagating the superficial image of a country that is yet again waiting to be plucked by foreigners(a.k.a British studs). I find the depiction discreetly arrogant.
I am saying this due to the story telling the style it is presented.
First we are being shown the needy, naive, willing young girls who would almost give everything for a better life in the " developed peaks of Europe". Than in the end, the financial souverenty of potential tourists, that can enjoy themselves with little money.Implied are also girls, hence the big picture with 2 girls at the beginning of the article.
However, I rarely saw, talks about IT Engineers, Doctors, Scientists who fled Romania and now work in different institutions and small, large companies across Europe and the globe.
When will this superficiality of description stop. Why do newspapers tunnel readers into a narrow vision. It is extremly easy to coin a country as being in a way than to find the way to get acquainted in an equal fashion.
Romania is indeed a poor country but that doesn't mean it is Thailand or Indonesia where some English people go for sex trips and to " save young beautiful girls" from the tirany of poverty.
I rember it was 2007 New Years Eve, and at the airport in London huge Crowds waited for the so called "Romanian invasion". What they got instead were a bunch of educated Software Engineers with College Degrees ( I wonder how many Brits today have a College Degree) that came with contracts for large Corporations.
So please, instead of trying to sex advertise and narrow down a country go and visit, and not only Bucharest and some smoke filled bars but also the rest of the country, its Hills and meadows, it's traditional villages and historical Cities, It's TIFF Cluj Film Festival and Electronic Music Electric Castle festivals and so on.
It's time to get rid of those, sometimes on purpose hence it grants one a feeling of superiority, misconceptions and realise that socially culturally, ,depsite it's poverty, a country such as Romania is evolving along the rest of Europe just as fine as any other country.
SO STOP BEING ARROGANT, STOP NARROWING DOWN CULTURES IN ORDER TO FEEL SUPERIOR. YOU AREN'T. STATISTICALLY SPEAKING ENGLAND is NOW A COUNTRY MADE UP OF A MAJORITY of FOREIGN MINORITIES………Log OUt. Peace.
One more thing. I probably earn more than you do. How do you feel? Should I feel superior
"Arrogance is not a virtue. It is a path to absolute. And Absolute is a way to the dark side."
Catinca Oprea 5:12 PM on 14/6/2013
Mirror, Mirror on the wall…A few years back i was having coffee with one of my Italian male friends and he said: "On a scale from 1 to 10, Romanian girls are an 8. You don't have many 10s, but the average woman, the one you find on your way to buy bread is 8, which is a lot higher than the Italian average woman, who is a 6." I do believe that Romanian women are delightful to look at (I myself being a woman 😉 ). I can assure you, not all our pretty girls will leave the country in an exodus to the UK. I, for one, will probably stick with my country until the day I die. And I am actually sorry to hear the UK is expecting such a huge wage of migration from our part.
Bob Mason 12:11 AM on 26/3/2013
Love, Faith, Courage – with these three we can win the world, said Her Majesty Queen Marie Of Romania, who was also Her Royal Highness Princess Marie of Edinburgh, Princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. What is all this with the foolish propaganda in the press and government? We can't start being selective now!?
Romania and Romanians are fine (and are not Gypsies!), they have great music often sung in…. not French, Russian, Italian, German but…English – check out Internet Radio and see (Radio Zu is my daily dose) and yes the women are very sweet and beautiful. and politicians no different to ours either. 🙂 We should continue like Kent's Queen Marie of Great Britain and strengthen out ties to other countries not cause petty upsets
Katy Rusu 8:56 PM on 11/3/2013
I am Romanian…and even though I agree with most of the article, I have to say that lots of things are also overreacted here. We're not really that poor, although the country's rulers will eventually "take care" of that aspect, I'm sure. Things like half of the country lives in poverty or the cheap products are simply not true! It is widely known that some of the products in our country are ACTUALLY way more expensive than in Hungary, or I would dare say even France, especially when it comes to clothes. Which, of course, doesn't make me very proud, but it just comes to show we're not really that poor. 2. If you take some girls on the street and ask them and they say they would do anything to come to Britain, please don't brag so much about it! With all due respect, but I think our image as a country is becoming worse by the minute, exactly because you take words of somebody's mouth and twist it in such a way that it sounds like we're a bunch of pathetic people – which, again with all due respect – I assure you we're not! Please, stop mistaking Romanian for Gypsies [which I do not adore nor despise]! We're different and it's really bad that we have to be so judged and bullied for something that we're not. I do not think this article really shows us as people, rather it shows how "desperate" you see Romanians in proving they're better than UK people, which I assure you more than 90% of this population doesn't think that way. We don't wanna prove anything to anyone. We just want to be accepted as we are, as a population with both qualities and flaws- we're no perfect, we never claimed that, but then again, who is? Just give us a chance here, ok? I really wanted to move to UK, since I've been in love with the language and the accent since I was a child, but… no can do! As much as I love the people and the culture, it boggles my mind that I would have to suffer, be judged and bullied instead of being accepted and integrated in your society. Thank you.
William Prince 7:32 PM on 9/3/2013
I am half Romanian, Mother was born in Bucharest, father is American. So I have the looks and the brains. LOL But would love to have a good Romanian woman.
Catalina George 1:27 AM on 6/2/2013
And what's ironic is that so many Romanians working in London are in fact IT programmers or people working in construction. Why there's lack of work force in the UK in these two particular fields remains a mystery. As well as why there are so many Romanians working at Microsoft, where it's said that the second most spoken language is Romanian (just a rumor, maybe). This probably happens because they aren't good looking Romanian girls drooling over the thought of tasty Brit hunks. Actually, just read this, maybe:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Romania_known_for.
And this:
http://www.absoluteitsolutions.com/romania.php.
Might not be the most credible sources, but better than no sources at all (other than couple of girls photographed on the streets of Bucharest sometimes late in the evening).
And all this pathetic excuse of an article (you're a tabloid, after all, something I DID NOT want to do in Romania to earn better, so I preferred become a support worker in the UK) while one of the newest adverts in UK telly is for the Romanian brand car Dacia.There's no sources for a tabloid, guys, get over it. On the other hand, the average John Smith probably is a tabloid reader. And a Jeremy Kyle show fan.
Brian O`Dorchart 12:28 AM on 6/2/2013
Don't confuse real Romanians with Gypsies
Petre Banu 3:45 PM on 5/2/2013
I think these british journalist came here just because they couldn't bang their ladies in UK, because they get drunk like hell every time they go in the city dressed like whores. "They can't afford to warm their houses" – this must be some of the most idiotic things I have ever seen in british press. If you had no warm in the hotel you had stayed in, then I hope you had wanked well, because romanian ladies surely don't prostitute with british journalists who come here in hope of cheap f..king and drinking beer that is less expensive than in their country.
Catalina Dragan 3:28 PM on 5/2/2013
"half the population live in povery"?, come on… where do you get this information from? give us the source as it must be done in journalism…
Alexandru Iulian Neacsu 3:09 PM on 5/2/2013
"disrepair and last year thousands took to the streets to riot against conditions." – Check your sources. There where political reasons for the riots ….
Alex Dumitrescu 11:02 AM on 5/2/2013
The only reason I like England is because Top Gear.
Denisa Rusu 1:32 PM on 4/2/2013
Why are Romanian citizens speak better English than many other European countries?
It's easy! Besides the fact that English is the most beautiful language on earth will seem hilarious to you my conclusion, but it is true.Romanian television broadcasts feature films, documentaries, etc.etc, with written translation and not commented, which is a big plus and a step in knowledge and expression as correct English.
However, it seems illogical another job, that Romania still not in Schengen, although with all its problems, is still a civilized country where can live safer than other Schengen countries.For example, the Czech Republic, Prague. A corrupt city, the taxi driver to police.Taxi drivers who have guns with them.
Euro taxi can inflate your bill even with 10 or 15 euro extra,on the streets sell drugs and many of them are false.
Czech prostitutes really are thieves of wallets.Taxi drivers can take you to some strip clubs and there no longer you let go unless you pay an amount of 500 euros, whether you drank water and spoke to a girl. All this cannot happen in Bucharest, Romania.So, I wonder, even necessary Schengen or EU for Romanians?
I doubt!
Emil Perhinschi 12:25 PM on 4/2/2013
"one in three cannot afford to pay bills or warm their homes" that is a bit exaggerated 🙂
Diana Olar 11:38 AM on 4/2/2013
"was estimated that 50,000 .." – if you are in fact a journalist, you would quote sources, like any professional should. Where and by whom was it estimated that 50,000 people a year will move?
Adrian Bradea 11:35 AM on 4/2/2013
Rest assure that I won't come to England ever again. Is full of thieves and the social assurance system is encouraging people not to work – better to steal- because the Metropolitan Police is ZERO. They always complain about lack of resources either human or technical and when the victim is a foreigner you can be sure that the case won't be solved- they just ask you about "have you got insurance?" and then they just say sorry…. . So , from my point of view, you can keep all your wonders! I just don't see a reason why wound I pay taxes /move there!
70% of the population live in poverty or at the limit of survival and the rest in well guarded neighborhoods. I don't like anything about you, except the language.
Ady Hax 9:43 AM on 4/2/2013
"Cheeky Romanians"???? Who the fuuck writes this shiit lol seems like theyre getting a lil jelous cuz their women look (and ride) like horses
Mark Wade 8:19 AM on 4/2/2013
I am English and live in Romania. I run a company here selling new Tractors and farm machinery. I could not have started my company 4 years ago in the UK with the little money I have but here its possible.
Romania is a great place to live. Mark Wade
Evelina Lunga 7:32 AM on 4/2/2013
You all just gave seriousness another meaning :)) Love the UK..for holidays. can't do the frowny face more than 2 weeks <3
Ioana Moraru 7:57 PM on 3/2/2013
Dear Mr Patrick Hill, I am a Romanian and I would like to assure you, I would never want to live in a country where its government thinks the best way to prevent immigration is denigration. Regarding the idea of coming to live in London, I lived a year in Paris and so I know that while visiting a big city can be attractive for a turist, it's far far far from heaven when it comes to living there. I've been to London, it's a wonderful city, I would come back there anytime as a turist, but I would never live there.
Gabriel Moisescu 5:58 PM on 3/2/2013
@John Smith..you're out to know chalk from cheese…these kind of actions like your petition determined the majority of eastern Europeans citizens ( especially Bulgarians&Romanians) to ridicule Brits… So chill out dude, we are in 21 century already….
Malina Rusu 5:28 PM on 3/2/2013
Don't worry, you are far far away from paradise so I don't think there will be a flood of our conationals wanting to live in the UK. We might consider your country for vacation because, you know, we do have money to go on vacation, but you are not the most friendly nation of all :). And yes, we speak excellent English and we have brains in this country!
Cintia Weston 8:53 AM on 3/2/2013
I love London as my favourite holiday destination but I wouldn't live there permanently. It is so much safer in Bucharest. Anyway, Romania and UK both have their fair share of ignonimious politicians that only care for their best interest, not their country's.
Bill Johns 5:04 AM on 3/2/2013
The boasts, in Gandul newspaper, were a tongue-in-cheek riposte to British plans for an ad campaign deterring Romanians from flooding to the UK when EU working restrictions are lifted next year.
One said 'Half of our women look like Kate, the other half, like her sister'.
4E – articol What is Romania like? Share your experiences
Link: https://witness.theguardian.com/assignment/5280f883e4b0b9c05d8a3396
We would like like to find out more about Romania – show us what it's like to live and work in your country – by sharing photos, videos and experiences
Am dori sa aflam mai mult despre Romania – aratati-ne ce inseamna sa traiesti si sa muncesti in tara dumneavoastra – impartasiti cu noi poze, imagini video si experiente
There's been a lot of discussion about how many Romanians are likely to arrive in the UK, once restrictions are lifted on 1 January 2014, however we'd like to find out more about Romania and what's it really like to live and work in your country.
We'd like you to tell us what you love about being a Romanian citizen and why you would never want to leave, also if you're planning on coming to the UK, what you will miss most. If there are challenges you face in everyday life, that are informing your decision to leave, we'd like to hear about those too.
Share your photos, videos and experiences of living in Romania and we'll feature the best on the Guardian site.
4F – articol Immigration: Romanian or Bulgarian? You won`t like it here
Link: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/27/uk-immigration-romania-bulgaria-ministers
Please don't come to Britain – it rains and the jobs are scarce and low-paid. Ministers are considering launching a negative advertising campaign in Bulgaria and Romania to persuade potential immigrants to stay away from the UK.
The plan, which would focus on the downsides of British life, is one of a range of potential measures to stem immigration to Britain next year when curbs imposed on both country's citizens living and working in the UK will expire.
A report over the weekend quoted one minister saying that such a negative advert would "correct the impression that the streets here are paved with gold".
There was no word on how any advert might look or whether it would use the strategy of making Britain look as horrible as possible or try to encourage would-be migrants to wake up to the joys of their own countries whether Romania's Carpathian mountains or Bulgaria's Black Sea resorts. With governments around the world spending millions on hiring London-based consultants to undertake "reputation laundering" there would be a peculiar irony if Britain chose to trash its own image perhaps by highlighting winter flooding of homes or the carnage of a Saturday night A&E ward.
There are precedents. In 2007, Eurostar ran adverts in Belgium for its trains to London depicting a tattooed skinhead urinating into a china teacup. It remains unknown if any discussions have taken place over personalities who could carry off a similar exercise in anti-nation branding.
On Sunday a Downing Street source said: "It is true that options are being looked at but we are not commenting on the specific things mentioned … as obviously it is an ongoing process and we will bring forward any proposals in due course."
The source also said that the government did not think the rule changes would necessarily bring a big influx of people, since Romanians have closer links to Germany and Italy rather than Britain.
Other reported options include making it tougher for EU migrants to access public services. Another is to deport those who move to Britain but do not find work within three months.
The Home Office has not produced an official estimate of how many of the 29 million Romanian and Bulgarian citizens will take advantage of their new freedoms when controls are lifted.
Campaign groups such as MigrationWatch have predicted that 250,000 will come from both countries over the next five years, although these figures are disputed. One Tory MP, Philip Hollobone, has claimed that Romanian and Bulgarian communities will treble to 425,000 within two years.
These figures have been questioned by experts, because they are based upon the numbers of Poles and Czechs who moved to Britain in in 2004. Then, only three countries opened their borders. This time, all of the 25 EU states will lift Labour market restrictions.
Buoyed by Cameron's offer of an in-out referendum, a growing number of Tory MPs now believe the UK should block the lifting of restrictions even if it were to prompt a row with the European commission.
The idea, however tentative, appears to clash with the billions of pounds Britain spent on the Olympics, partly to drive up the country's reputation. It also emerged as the Home Office launched a guide to Britishness for foreigners who would be citizens which opens with the words: "Britain is a fantastic place to live: a modern thriving society".
domusapomus
27 January 2013 10:21pm
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LOL
Roman78 domusapomus
27 January 2013 10:43pm
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naughtysophie domusapomus
27 January 2013 10:45pm
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They should just show Eastenders, that's going to put anyone off this Sceptred Isle.
pilgrim98 domusapomus
27 January 2013 11:12pm
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I would laugh except that the one crime that is definately up is pickpocketing. I bet there are Romanian and Bulgarian gangs just itching to get in.
The honest people in those countries will still Britain as offering them a better standard of living and benefits than what they have at home.
The only real solution is to keep the quotas because as a country we are already short of housing, maternity units are already seriously overstretched and there are not enough schools places to meet current demand.
Sadly we have become a country where if we argue for sensible immigration policies we get branded racist and that is simply not the case. Serious debate is hindered by the use of that simple, but loaded, word.
Butchknowsbest domusapomus
27 January 2013 11:21pm
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Why not send Clegg there?
It would put anyone off and as a bonus we would be rid of the lying little ******.
Celato pilgrim98
27 January 2013 11:36pm
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@pilgrim98 –
In one breath you stereotype Bulgarians and Romanians as pickpocketing gangsters; in the next you can't bring yourself to acknowledge "honest" ones without a qualifying "attracted-here-by-benefits" stereotype.
And then, in the third breath, you wonder why accusations of racism get levelled in immigration debates…
floydie Butchknowsbest
27 January 2013 11:37pm
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smurfberry domusapomus
28 January 2013 12:23am
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What is funny is that just a few months ago the British Embassy in Bucharest Romania promoted a campaign called:
"The GREAT campaign
Promoting Britain as one of the best places to visit, live, work, study, invest and do business.
We want to send out a clear message that Britain is one of the very best places in the world to visit, live, work, study, invest and do business. "
http://ukinromania.fco.gov.uk/en/visit-uk/great-campaign/
and ran this GREAT Britain competition just last month:
GREAT Britain competition
By British Embassy Bucharest
https://facebook.com/events/130777607078070?refid=20&_ft_=fbid.130777607078070&_rdr
And now they are running a new campaign to say – "actually no it's not GREAT it's shit – don't come".
Talk about mixed messages!!
polarpolarpolarbear pilgrim98
28 January 2013 12:50am
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@pilgrim98 –
The only real solution is to keep the quotas because as a country we are already short of housing, maternity units are already seriously overstretched and there are not enough schools places to meet current demand.
because not enough (affordable) houses are being built, and the NHS and schools both lack investment. if the system was working properly, these things would scale as the population increases; more people in the country pay more tax which funds more schools etc.
it's incredibly convenient for politicians to have people believe our services are overstretched because of all those pesky immigrants rather than because said politicians have been busy decimating said services for quite a while now.
Sadly we have become a country where if we argue for sensible immigration policies we get branded racist and that is simply not the case. Serious debate is hindered by the use of that simple, but loaded, word.
the debate on immigration is 100% dominated by the anti side to the point where we have labour and the tories debating just how much they can out-tough each other, with everyone scared to even countenance the suggestion that immigration might be a positive or neutral thing. all the right-wing papers scream daily about the supposed evils of immigration from the front pages. the "we can't talk about it because we'll just be branded racist" thing is utter bullshit.
ronmor naughtysophie
28 January 2013 12:50am
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@naughtysophie – or as this Government would have it..this septic isle!
missing yet again polarpolarpolarbear
28 January 2013 1:29am
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@polarpolarpolarbear – It would be a positive if the country was growing or at least stable.
We have had low wages, lack of housing, struggling NHS and overstretched services for the last 30 years at least.
We know who's fault it is, the politians. That is the situation we have though. How does adding more people make it better?
We have a race to the bottom for the working class.
retarius domusapomus
28 January 2013 2:40am
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I'm guessing what I don't understand is why they don't change the laws about receiving benefits….unless you are a national, you don;t gte benefits until you have contributed NI and paid taxes for a year?
Why don't the Bulgarians rush to Provence where the weather is nicer? French welfare is generous but somehow Bulgarians mustn't qualify for it…why don;t we be more like them?
onona retarius
28 January 2013 3:00am
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@retarius –
Actually, generally speaking, they can't claim until they've made 12 months of NI contributions.
But hey, don't let something as inconsequential as facts get in the way if your tabloid-fuelled hysteria.
JonMichael pilgrim98
28 January 2013 4:38am
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@pilgrim98 – Britain wanted Bulgaria and Romania to enter the EU whilst Germany and France wanted to first strengthen the EU. Britain wanted to effectively weaken the EU and so they get what they deserve. As for negative campaigning – what a joke!
The Bulgarians will firstly go to Germany – the Uk will be last. But remember that the care givers in the UK are foreign and you need them – most doctors seem to be Indian or of Indian descent. Imagine what would happen if they all left. But I do understand these things need to be managed and there should be a phasing in – firstly only qualified etc.
SantaMuerte smurfberry
28 January 2013 4:39am
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@smurfberry –
Promoting Britain as one of the best places to visit, live, work, study, invest and do business.
They really shouldn't lie to these people…
JonMichael smurfberry
28 January 2013 4:48am
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@smurfberry – Just ask the 1 million Brits who left the UK to live in Spain and the millions more in Australia, South Africa, France, Portugal and the USA. They left for a reason!
Erzans pilgrim98
28 January 2013 5:56am
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Rusty Bolden smurfberry
28 January 2013 7:29am
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@smurfberry – the UK ambassador seems to have learn romanian, he even reads poetries: http://blogs.fco.gov.uk/martinharris/2013/01/15/january-the-month-of-great-writers
Driscoll smurfberry
28 January 2013 7:35am
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@smurfberry – Ever heard the saying "A week is a long time in politics." ??.
theomatica Celato
28 January 2013 8:13am
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@Celato – Did you read @pilgram98's comment? Judging by your's I think not. There was no branding of all Romanian's and Bulgarian's as pickpockets. There are serious problems with pick pocketing crime in those countries.
iamnotwise JonMichael
28 January 2013 8:30am
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@JonMichael –
But remember that the care givers in the UK are foreign and you need them – most doctors seem to be Indian or of Indian descent. Imagine what would happen if they all left.
Indeed, 30% of NHS workers were born abroad. The NHS would grind to a halt if they all left at once. But that isn't going to happen. One of the reasons is that they felt inspired enough by a job in the NHS to up-sticks and move themselves, and often their families, to this country where they almost certainly enjoy a better standard living. The UK, like many others, might be going through a rough patch, our politicians might be an odious bunch of big business lackeys (like most other places), but it is still a desirable place to live for many people both UK born or immigrants.
konstantina2 polarpolarpolarbear
28 January 2013 8:33am
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@polarpolarpolarbear – We are one of the most densely populated countries in Europe. Much of this is due to unregulated immigration.
Would you have an open-door policy?
Your dismissal of the problems caused by mass immigration smacks of someone with a political agenda.
konstantina2 missing yet again
28 January 2013 8:42am
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@missing yet again – Indeed, adding more people who have been used to poorer living and working conditions makes it worse, as they will work for poverty-level wages and live in sub-standard housing as long as it is still materially better than what they have been used to back home and as long as they can send some of their pay and/or benefits back home to their families.
Mass immigration is not a solution for an already overcrowded developed country. Britain is not 19th century America with its vast unpopulated wildernesses.
Why will no politician admit this?
Halo572 pilgrim98
28 January 2013 8:44am
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@pilgrim98 – and maybe build more housing that would affect house prices in a downward direction?
Sir, not only are you a racist, you seem to be a Communist as well.
Odaat50 naughtysophie
28 January 2013 8:46am
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@naughtysophie – Maybe you should have said Septic Isle
ASG01 smurfberry
28 January 2013 8:53am
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@smurfberry – Not mixed at all.
"If you've got money come to Britain, otherwise fuck off!"
bernardcrofton retarius
28 January 2013 9:07am
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@retarius – On the other hand if you stop at an "Aire" on the A9 Autoroute (European route E15) you might conclude that France is swamped by shoeless foreigners. As you might if french newpapers were like the Mail.That is where statistics come in.
Table 1.1 in that link gives three key figures: total population, percent of population born in another UK country, percent of population born outside the EU.
France 64million, 3.3%, 7.8%
UK 62million, 3.5% , 7.5%
Not really so different! Interesting to see if anyone on here admits to being surprised by this or still insists that only the UK is "under threat".
SashaGU polarpolarpolarbear
28 January 2013 9:10am
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@polarpolarpolarbear –
But you say that ' if the system was working properly, these things would scale as the population increases; more people in the country pay more tax which funds more schools etc.'
Its very naive to think its that simple. The 'new' HS2 rail link will take 20 years (!) to build. In my home town they have discussed a railway link for over 40 years and they haven't even started building. The time lag between our current population growth and building the infrastructure to deal with it is huge.
optimist99 pilgrim98
28 January 2013 9:23am
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@pilgrim98 – Bulgarians and Romanians can come to the UK already.
Not that many have – but large numbers have gone to Germany – hardly surprising as that is where the work is.
GripperPG polarpolarpolarbear
28 January 2013 9:33am
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@polarpolarpolarbear –
With manufacturing in the UK at an all time low – land prices are high how do you promote growth ?
Immigrants take low paid jobs or unscrupulous agencies or employers cut wages to a minimum – forcing people onto benefits taking more money from the public purse.
Of course these people will come here – they can earn more even at low rates of pay compared to their own countries
How many British folk have lost jobs for varying reasons and seen immigrants move in and take a role at a lower salary ?
I have, friends and colleagues have – my brother served his time to become a plumber …. Eastern Europeans have undercut his salary considerably – yet this savings are not passed onto the client – I work in Holland and see the same here with Poles & other East European taking work from local Dutch nationals purely by working at a far lower hourly rate than locals – it is clear that this influx of migrant workers has a detrimenatl impact
The only difference his that Benefits in Holland are not handed out as easily as they are in the UK – this is where the UK is still seen as a soft touch compared to the Netherlands Germany & France .
dracflav pilgrim98
28 January 2013 9:48am
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@pilgrim98 – that is slightly illogical. it's easier for criminals to come here, because good faith romanian citizens won't. since they can't legally work, they will stay at home. meanwhile, criminals have nothing to loose, and are not even looking for legal work, are they?
matter of fact, it will be better for legal immigrants to come here, stay for a while and go back home. this will improve relations between the countries, and will grow exports from the uk to romania. happened the same with romanians in italy. the trade between the countries grew quite rapidly.
JoziShaun pilgrim98
28 January 2013 9:53am
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@pilgrim98 – I agree. Its not racist to want limits on the amount of people coming in. The city is already pressed passed what the space will allow and the strain on the NHS, the transport, the schools, and the taxpayer is monumental. Its scary to think about what will happen in the future if its allowed to continue. Politicians dance around this topic afraid if they stand in one place too long the light of racism will shine on them. What they should be doing is setting out a structured policy to limit immigration. They won't though. Just like there won't be an EU referendum.
Myself33 naughtysophie
28 January 2013 9:53am
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@naughtysophie –
I had a better idea – they should run the ads at selected Tory MPs constituencies… sometimes it seems those folks have no clue about "the downsides of British life" the ad plan is to focus on….
charminggal naughtysophie
28 January 2013 9:56am
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@naughtysophie – It's trying to do a good jobs of making it the norm that we all mix into together…
logos00 retarius
28 January 2013 10:04am
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@retarius – I think you will find that EU citizens are able to claim benefits across member states, it is a reciprocal arrangement.
puthemrite IrishIain
28 January 2013 10:12am
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@IrishIain – Can I add indescribable.That's this so called Government, by the way.Oh! and I forgot to add,Pathetic.feeble, lying,deceitful,mean,cold hearted,uncaring (unless your in the City or a higher rate non tax payer that is) and Chaotically bad for the British people in lot's of other way's including economically inept.
GordontheMoron naughtysophie
28 January 2013 10:23am
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@naughtysophie – Septic rather than Sceptred
GordontheMoron logos00
28 January 2013 10:26am
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@logos00 – I thnk you'll find that it varies from country to country. Germany for instance only allows job seekers to stay in the country for 3 months to find a job. Also, Germay only pays unemployment benefit (which is much better than the UK's) to people who have paid the unemployment benefit tax
DevoDog pilgrim98
28 January 2013 10:30am
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@pilgrim98 –
Sadly we have become a country where if we argue for sensible immigration policies we get branded racist and that is simply not the case. Serious debate is hindered by the use of that simple, but loaded, word.
With good cause. Think you'll find the majority of UK citizens are one of the most suspicious, intolerant, xenophobic and racist people in Europe – more so now we are struggling economically due to the Bullingdon clubs' fiscal incompetence.
Why else would we vote for a coalition of anti-European, over-privilleged, arrogant, out of touch right-wing bigots – and then agree with them when they squeal at their nation to vote us out of the EU.
pennyt pilgrim98
28 January 2013 10:49am
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@pilgrim98 – why would the gangs of Rumanian and Bulgarian pickpockets be itching to get in? 1. why more pickpockets in those countries? 2 the international criminal gangs are extremely well organised and have been for many years, and would certainly have British contacts that would help them evade British laws, should they want to send any gang members to Britain, plus British organised crime would see to it that no rival organisations would be able to get established without local help- – I`m sure any organised crime from anywhere is already well established and regulated by internal checks and balances by those who run it. No need to panic about that.
0ggers polarpolarpolarbear
28 January 2013 10:54am
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@polarpolarpolarbear –
if the system was working properly, these things would scale as the population increases; more people in the country pay more tax which funds more schools etc.
But it won't scale properly when you have a disproportionate influx of workers in a low tax band. However, I'm not worried about economic migrants because from my experience they are all hard at work and not claiming any benefits.
Ironwill onona
28 January 2013 11:14am
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@onona – Actually, generally speaking, they can't claim until they've made 12 months of NI contributions.
But hey, don't let something as inconsequential as facts get in the way if your tabloid-fuelled hysteria.
I'm quite distressed that so many people have recommended this falsehood. Whatever ones politics, Onona's claim is factually incorrect. If EEA and EU citizens are 'self-employed' then they are immediately entitled to social housing and welfare benefits. (Shelter).
SimpleTaxman missing yet again
28 January 2013 11:33am
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@missing yet again –
We have had low wages, lack of housing, struggling NHS and overstretched services for the last 30 years at least.
We know who's fault it is, the politians.
And who has been electing those politicians for 30 years?
ElvisSpartacus onona
28 January 2013 11:43am
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@onona – Just sell a few Big Issues, become self- employed and get housing benefit etc. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/apr/27/roma-manchester-tensions-big-issue.
1to618 smurfberry
28 January 2013 12:34pm
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@smurfberry – tricky balance, you want to encourage the workers and put off the scroungers.
logos00 GordontheMoron
28 January 2013 12:55pm
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@GordontheMoron – Yes, there are variations and as you say some continental systems pay better benefits.
As for contributions for benefits in Germany I think UK NI contributions count.
AATTSS retarius
28 January 2013 12:56pm
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@retarius – it is not said what Romanians and Bulgarians will choose, especially that they have more options, a lot more and I'm kinda jealous about that.
Dizzyeek retarius
28 January 2013 12:56pm
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@retarius – People, educate yourself and then put your opinion…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/david-cameron-bulgarian-benefit-tourists
mumanddadsson polarpolarpolarbear
28 January 2013 12:59pm
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@polarpolarpolarbear – Thank you! It is my PET PEEVE when people say "We can't talk about immigration negatively".
I find the opposite is true. If I talk in public about the fact that I think immigration is a good thing, people look at me as if I'm mad!
Immigrants (ironically – as most people would have it) keep me IN a job, I'm a TEFL teacher and these people want to learn English so that they are employable somewhere other than on a building site or as a hotel cleaner etc.
Evilvixen onona
28 January 2013 12:59pm
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@onona – Unless you declare yourself as being 'self emlployed' in which case you can claim straight away.
Gulfstream5 naughtysophie
28 January 2013 1:03pm
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@naughtysophie – No, they should just show Gordon Brown!
logos00 Ironwill
28 January 2013 1:04pm
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@Ironwill – If you want to be factually correct and quote shelter make sure you give the right picture.
From Shelter
Migrant workers from states that were
members of the EU prior to 2004
Migrant workers from the EU states that were
members before the accession states joined,
and Cyprus and Malta, have the same rights to
benefits and housing as UK nationals, providing
they are working. In certain circumstances, some
of these workers retain their rights to housing and
benefits, even when not employed.
n A8 and A2 migrant workers.
There are different rules again restricting
eligibility to housing and benefits for A8 migrant
workers, who have to prove they are working and
registered on the Worker Registration Scheme
(A8 nationals) or Worker Authorisation Scheme
(A2 nationals) in order to be eligible for public
funds. Once registered on the scheme, they are
eligible to apply for welfare assistance, including
housing, immediately.
However, once A8 and A2 nationals cease to work
and therefore cease to be registered as a worker,
their eligibility is lost. Only if they have completed
12 consecutive months on the Worker Registration
Scheme or Worker Authorisation Scheme are they
allowed to apply for housing and benefits on the
same terms as other EU nationals from the older
EU member states. Many A8 and A2 nationals are
employed in seasonal work, with gaps in between
jobs that easily lead to deregistration from the
scheme, and to ineligibility for housing and benefits.
Therefore, A8 and A2 nationals may go in and out of
entitlement, never quite completing the full 12 months
that would free them of the need to prove registration
on the scheme.
In practice, many migrant workers either do not apply
for housing assistance or are screened out due to
the multiple hurdles explained above. Even for those
migrant workers who find their way through the maze of entitlements and eligibility, there are no extra benefits and no preferential treatment in priority for housing. Need is assessed in the same way as for
everyone else.
http://england.shelter.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/89268/Eastern_European_Migrant_Workers_Housing_briefing.pdf
mumanddadsson mumanddadsson
28 January 2013 1:05pm
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@mumanddadsson – Besides, look around. Most immigrants these days are Spanish, has anyone not even noticed this?! (Anecdotal, I know) You can't stop them from coming… But I haven't read negative news articles about Spanish immigrants.
For me, this raises questions. Why are Spanish ok, and Bulgarians not? Is it familiarity? If anyone has any more concrete ideas than I do, I'd love to hear…
Rrrreginald retarius
28 January 2013 1:09pm
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@retarius – if you care to read https://www.gov.uk/ you'll see that for most types of benefit there are qualifying periods. For instance you can't claim jobseekers allowance without having previously contributed NI. Anyone that pays taxes has certain rights, irrespective of where they were born.
moroboshi polarpolarpolarbear
28 January 2013 1:10pm
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@polarpolarpolarbear – We have one of the highest population densities in the EU. The solution to over stretched public services is not to build more houses/hospitals/roads etc, it's to reduce the population.
That's true for the world as a whole of course, not just the UK. Population growth is the biggest problem humanity faces, and the inability of politicians to even mention it is completely insane.
TheMaskedMarvel konstantina2
28 January 2013 1:38pm
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@konstantina2 –
We are one of the most densely populated countries in Europe. Much of this is due to unregulated immigration
No, much of this is due to the industrial revolution.
BrainDeed Butchknowsbest
28 January 2013 1:43pm
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@Butchknowsbest –
He's actually a quite tall, lying shit
gavinb smurfberry
28 January 2013 1:44pm
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@smurfberry – different messages for different audiences (rich investors/poor workers, Brits/others).
My favourite example is the difference between what we are told re. employment in Britain (wages high / employment over-regulated) and what the DTI /UK Trade Invest tell overseas investors. Look up 'Labour Environment in the UK' and you'll find:
labour regulations seen by business as more flexible than major European nations and close to US and China,'Labour costs in the UK are competitive (i.e. low) in both the service and manufacturing sectors'.
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Yorkmackem
27 January 2013 10:22pm
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"Britain. It's shit."
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TheLessDeceived Yorkmackem
27 January 2013 10:35pm
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Well, quite. At the moment, at least, it is.
The Government seems to forget that life in Britain looked very rosy when Poland joined the EU.
That feels like very a long time ago. It doesn't look so rosy now. They should stop worrying.
missing yet again TheLessDeceived
27 January 2013 10:55pm
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@TheLessDeceived – It was shit for the lower end of thw working class before Poland joined.
Kitten69 missing yet again
27 January 2013 11:02pm
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@missing yet again – Thatcher seemed to introduce the rot – sideline the inconsequential minority – all THEM.
amorphia TheLessDeceived
27 January 2013 11:26pm
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@TheLessDeceived – Funnily enough, there was a Labour government when life in Britain was rosy. Correlation or causation?
tajana amorphia
27 January 2013 11:55pm
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@amorphia – no just an orgy of debt spending….
constant1 TheLessDeceived
27 January 2013 11:56pm
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@TheLessDeceived – Some Eastern European Countries have lower very low GDP per capitia. The US economy is going down the drain, still better than mexico
Billlogan Yorkmackem
28 January 2013 12:02am
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Britain will never be shit to the people of Romania and Bulgaria as long as benefit payments for them here are much higher than wages in their own country. That really isn't hard to understand.
However, the thought of one arm of government telling everyone that the UK is brilliant while another is telling us that it is shit is just hilarious.
moxespana constant1
28 January 2013 12:14am
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@constant1 – I live in Mexico and I would never trade it´s sunny beaches for dreary old England.
JustTimThen Yorkmackem
28 January 2013 12:17am
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If we don't get back our old sense of pulling together as a community it will get worse what we need is a good old war we should start targeting unfriendly governments that have been acting like jerks anyone got any ideas?
Gegenbeispiel Yorkmackem
28 January 2013 12:30am
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Britain. It's thatcherite shit.
chillango Yorkmackem
28 January 2013 1:13am
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Britain is a great place to live: ideal time zone for international business; access to most of the world from London Heathrow; a temporate climate and world class schools, universities and global companies. It's stable, safe and the weather is liveable.
So, why have some many of us left? (>3m in the last ten years, apparently – most between 25 and 44). As one of those who left it's really simple: the constant negativity and the cost of living.
chillango constant1
28 January 2013 1:15am
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@constant1 – ,
Lived in Mexico City for 3 and a half years: ten times better than the UK.
chillango moxespana
28 January 2013 1:15am
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@moxespana – ,
Well said.
missing yet again chillango
28 January 2013 1:30am
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@chillango – Do you ever get that sinking feeling though?
chillango missing yet again
28 January 2013 1:42am
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@missing yet again – ,
I do but only because I now live in the swamp that is known as south Florida.
missing yet again chillango
28 January 2013 1:56am
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@chillango – Doesn't Mexico City sink?
I'm sure I read it is in danger of the water table rising again and flooding the city, as it was built on an ancient dried up lake.
Does the drug gang stuff not come into Mexico City?
netscribe missing yet again
28 January 2013 2:16am
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@missing yet again – 'the lower end of the working class'…you mean that bit of the class which didn't do any work? Looks like they're going to have new partners in…not working.
Emil Oprisa TheLessDeceived
28 January 2013 3:01am
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@TheLessDeceived – This little world financial and economic meltdown might have had an effect but yeah, you're probably right! It's those damn Poles!
softwater chillango
28 January 2013 3:08am
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@chillango
I also left, nearly 10 years back. Life is so much better for brits abroad than brits at home, you'd have thought the gov't should be more worried about how to keep the natives in rather than the foreigners out.
OlympicSquashNow softwater
28 January 2013 4:57am
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@softwater – only the losers with no imagination stayed in the UK
FlorAntartica chillango
28 January 2013 5:48am
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@chillango – high crime rates & narcos killing themselves in the streets..I really doubt its better than Britain or any other place. Maybe you live somewhere quiet, but that´s not the reality of the rest of the country.
konstantina2 moxespana
28 January 2013 8:46am
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@moxespana – That should be its</i> without an apostrophe for the possessive. It's is short for <b>it is/has.</i>
I hope you are not an EFL/ESOL teacher in Mexico.
AnObserver JustTimThen
28 January 2013 9:11am
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@JustTimThen – Indeed: aim for 51.4993° N, 0.1247° W
Byrnzie28 chillango
28 January 2013 9:55am
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@chillango
'Britain is a great place to live;…access to most of the world from London Heathrow…'
I think you nailed it there.
logos00 JustTimThen
28 January 2013 10:08am
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@JustTimThen – Can we target our own government?
DevoDog JustTimThen
28 January 2013 10:34am
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@JustTimThen – Unfriendly governments eh…I know! How about the British Tory coalition – that'd be a good start!
TheLessDeceived Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 10:48am
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@Emil Oprisa –
This little world financial and economic meltdown might have had an effect but yeah, you're probably right! It's those damn Poles!
What a bizarre (mis)interpretation of my point. Which is: the Government neededn't worry that Romanians and Bulgarians will come here in the numbers that the Polish did because the UK's economy is now so unattractive.
I wasn't blaming the Polish for anything. They're welcome here.
Respectfully, I think you need to sharpen your reading skills …
therealsalparadise softwater
28 January 2013 11:13am
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@softwater – That's the whole point. Why pay a Brit £6 per hour, when you can get a Bulgarian or Rumanian to do it for £3 per hour.
Mass immigration has always been about undercutting the local wage structure, which is why the only ones screaming when immigration controls are mooted are the CBI and the SBF.
Think back to the 1950's when West Indian and Asian populations were being paid to come over here. It was to destroy the power of the unions and lower the wage structure.
AATTSS TheLessDeceived
28 January 2013 12:58pm
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@TheLessDeceived – 'The Government seems to forget that life in Britain looked very rosy when Poland joined the EU.'
I can tell you that it's exactly the same as it was, it never looked rosy at all – which was a little bit shocking. Truly.
Rrrreginald Billlogan
28 January 2013 1:27pm
10
@Billlogan – once again, people cannot just come here and claim benefits. They have to work. It's the law, go read it rather than forming an opinion from tabloids. If you work and pay taxes then you have rights.
In my experience the majority of eastern Europeans that come here, are here to earn a living, not to live off benefits unlike many English people. Ever wondered why most cleaning jobs, hotel jobs etc. are occupied by Polish workers ?
ph0enix therealsalparadise
28 January 2013 1:34pm
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@therealsalparadise – We have a national minimum wage. If employers are undercutting it to hier foreign workers then they are breaking the law. Blame them, not the immigrants.
ph0enix ph0enix
28 January 2013 1:36pm
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@ph0enix – If you know of anybody doing this then please feel free to shop them.
The service is free and confidential. The helpline has a free translation service available in over 100 languages
https://www.gov.uk/pay-and-work-rights-helpline
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sashascott
27 January 2013 10:22pm
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Just a big billboard with Osborne's smirking face should do the trick.
rebeccazg sashascott
27 January 2013 10:33pm
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what the hell are they doing..?
is this any way for governments to behave ?
rebeccazg sashascott
27 January 2013 10:35pm
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oh – did not intend this as a reply – just had the window open because i liked your post 🙂
Jacrobat sashascott
27 January 2013 10:51pm
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And under Osborne's headshot the caption might be 'In the UK, people like this have higher life expectancies than everyone else. Come here and they'll be around for ALL your life'.
FullTangViper sashascott
28 January 2013 12:49am
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They have the right idea on this one. But instead of trashing its reputation they should show a bill board of gay men kissing and holding hands. Statistics of atheism and its rise. Pictures of famous homosexuals and feminists and atheists. And state gay rights laws to get married. Also skin heads and punk music. Inter racial and inter religion marriage. They should give out brochures with our most liberal qualities and not be ashamed about it.
Then if the bulgarians and romanians like it then I'm fine with them coming over.
finnhooligan sashascott
28 January 2013 1:27am
24
Our Conservative government is way ahead of you. We have a billboard campaign in Romania that is a little less nuanced than the one's proposed here. Ours basically says don't bother even trying to come to Canada… we don't want you. But they might have been more effective if they'd added a photo of Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird
caroassassino FullTangViper
28 January 2013 1:27am
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@FullTangViper –
The one Romanian person I know is gay. He came here in large part because of tolerance. But I doubt that economic migrants will generally be as liberal on social issues.
OlympicSquashNow finnhooligan
28 January 2013 5:02am
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I remember a local authority in the Czech Republic back in the 90s offering to pay for air tickets for any local gypsies who wanted to emigrate to Canada
konstantina2 FullTangViper
28 January 2013 8:49am
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@FullTangViper – They could even say that gay marriage isn't merely permitted and encouraged but actually compulsory – for everyone!
Paul Suciu FullTangViper
28 January 2013 1:22pm
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@FullTangViper – hell, i got annoyed with UK women anyway. time to teabag the men :))
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SecretSkivver
27 January 2013 10:22pm
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Just publish a transcript of the typical CiF discussion – that will enlighten the Bulgarians etc about life in this hellhole (the worst in the world, if you believed CiF).
good2go SecretSkivver
27 January 2013 10:27pm
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Two bacon rolls and a pot of tea
vikingbones good2go
27 January 2013 10:41pm
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@good2go – That'll be £24.99 mate and no I haven't got any napkins.
nocausetoaddopt good2go
27 January 2013 10:56pm
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@good2go –
you want beens wi that love?
Kitten69 vikingbones
27 January 2013 10:58pm
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@vikingbones – How much extra to sit at a table?
good2go nocausetoaddopt
27 January 2013 11:12pm
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@nocausetoaddopt – Ooh yes please ,if i,m going to do it I might as well come up trumps.
isabellamacfar good2go
27 January 2013 11:33pm
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@good2go –
don't forget the tomato sauce
isabellamacfar nocausetoaddopt
27 January 2013 11:34pm
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@nocausetoaddopt –
tory has-beens perhaps?
vikingbones Kitten69
27 January 2013 11:39pm
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nocausetoaddopt good2go
27 January 2013 11:47pm
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@good2go –
I have no idea what your talking about but as long as your happy.
good2go nocausetoaddopt
28 January 2013 12:15am
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@nocausetoaddopt – Oh I am , any more tea in that pot ?
chillango isabellamacfar
28 January 2013 1:18am
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@isabellamacfar – ,
I laughed out loud – I admit it.
konstantina2 nocausetoaddopt
28 January 2013 8:51am
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@nocausetoaddopt –
-What's this?
-It's bean soup.
-I don't care what it's been. What is it now?
I'll get my coat…
Myself33 SecretSkivver
28 January 2013 9:56am
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CiF comments to dissuade folks? Try Daily Telegraph's fora 🙂
ukmilly
27 January 2013 10:23pm
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Why not just broadcast Eastenders!!
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DjangoDjango
27 January 2013 10:23pm
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This has omnishambles written all over it.
MikeRichards DjangoDjango
28 January 2013 12:38am
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It's practically inevitable that the posters are going to be sent to the wrong people isn't it?
Silicon Valley investors will be getting lorry-loads of 'Cold. Grey. Expensive. And that's just the food' pamphlets from the Britain: It's Really Shite team.
Meanwhile, the Britain: We're Open for Business thought bubble will have papered over Bucharest with images of sunlit uplands and cheery employers standing in front of gleaming new factories desperate for workers (and pictures of the Queen Mum – everyone loves the Queen Mum).
GodizGr8 MikeRichards
28 January 2013 5:57am
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Skinz
27 January 2013 10:23pm
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What a gift to the opposition.
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IanPoznanski
27 January 2013 10:23pm
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They don't want foreigners. Well they do if they are rich and have big firms. Then they're welcome and they can avoid billions of pounds worth of taxes, all while they Tories (and UKIP) and their like blame the usual scapegoats of migrants.
This is racism. Oh, and bear in mind that migrants like myself (living in Poland) may face a tit-for-tat reaction should the Tories head further rightwards.
youmustbejesting IanPoznanski
27 January 2013 10:58pm
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What the average person doesn't want is people coming here to take advantage of free housing, free healthcare and the benefits system when they have not paid anything in to it.
As regards those coming to work whilst appreciating many are good workers and decent people many people myself included question why we need large numbers of unskilled workers entering the UK when many of our unskilled workers are unemployed.
People that have skills that are needed and in short supply are welcome here as indeed they are in most places.
missing yet again IanPoznanski
27 January 2013 11:01pm
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It's not racist, it is class based discrimination from both sides of the debate.
Acidfairyy youmustbejesting
27 January 2013 11:30pm
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@youmustbejesting – Well I'm 25 and thanks to graduating in this dire economic situation I have yet to pay any taxes – should I also be denied healthcare and benefits?
Leoben youmustbejesting
27 January 2013 11:45pm
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@youmustbejesting –
What the average person doesn't want is people coming here to take advantage of free housing, free healthcare and the benefits system when they have not paid anything in to it.
I agree with the points you made about preferring skilled workers.
However, to get 'free housing' you have to be made homeless and have at least a 'local connection' before you can be considered. There are other, systematic criteria to go through.
To get full medical cover in the UK, European Health Insurance Cards must be procured in your own EU country of origin, or you must pay for a Comprehensive Sickness Insurance policy.
Free benefits? Perhaps if you have a proven track record of working in the UK, or if you have become a single parent. Going out with English or Celtic men does not make them prone to commitment, unfortunately.
nanader youmustbejesting
28 January 2013 2:19am
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@youmustbejesting – I can tell you why unskilled immigrants are needed here. My boss (a native Briton) simply says Britons are lazy! He needs 400 people for farm work each season, and after a heavy advertising campaign (following the local community pressure) in the UK, he only got two CVs. Each cost him well over 5000 pounds! The two got accepted and didn't hold on to the job for longer than a week.
Furthermore, I'm sorry for the lower class in the UK. However, looking from a historical perspective, the UK government of any colour freely accepted immigrants from wherever any time the wages for the unskilled people were going up. It's not only East Europeans. It's also the Pakistanis, the Indians and all others. All this talk of harming the lower class is rubbish without taking a broader perspective. The national economy needs low-paid unskilled labour force in order to stay afloat, whether the unskilled native Britons like it or not.
Without immigrants almost everything in UK would turn more expensive (higher labour cost) and/or the growing trade deficit would cause heavy inflation in the country until it got poor enough to become competitive again. The poor working people in the UK would be screwed in that scenario too.
QRHJT youmustbejesting
28 January 2013 3:06am
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@youmustbejesting – nanader has answered your question I think, to which I will add if these immigrants do come they will be able to work in any area of the country that there is work won't they. If an unemployed person leaves his local town to look for work he is deemed to be unavailable for work & will loose all benefits . Strange that but true ,anyway if you are jobless you are not in a position to pay for accommodation in another area while keeping your family housed & fed in your hometown are you.
Emil Oprisa youmustbejesting
28 January 2013 3:07am
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@youmustbejesting – Because we're not from Pakistan or India or Nigeria or wherever. We're members of the European Union and it is our right. No one forced the EU to accept us, but if you did, please do not treat us like second class citizens.
Jackanapes IanPoznanski
28 January 2013 3:07am
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You appear to be confusing racism with classism, dear chap. Or do you think that wealthy foreign investors would not be welcome here?
Please try to resist the urge to screech "racism" at every opportunity. No wait… don't. It's the kind of behaviour that'll put foreigners off coming here!
romantotale17 youmustbejesting
28 January 2013 3:56am
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kingfelix nanader
28 January 2013 4:12am
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@nanader – So we swing from the 'scrounging foreigners' to 'the British are lazy'.
Can you see the problem?
Erzans IanPoznanski
28 January 2013 5:59am
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Romanian's and Bulgarian's are a race now?
Chessmen Acidfairyy
28 January 2013 7:27am
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@Acidfairyy – Don't give the bastards ideas.
konstantina2 IanPoznanski
28 January 2013 8:57am
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IanPoznanski: Are you doing all right for your full range of state benefits there in Poland? Able to send money home to your hungry relatives in Britain? Health care free at the point of delivery? Subsidized housing? Access to the same jobs as Poles?
Good luck to you then!
wanderlustaj IanPoznanski
28 January 2013 10:31am
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So the only way to not be racist is to support unlimited immigration?
nanader kingfelix
28 January 2013 11:03am
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@kingfelix – Sorry. Shouldn't have said that since it's offensive. I quoted my employer word to word, though.
Myself I think that people in UK generally work hard + have a better cultural awareness and (of course) language proficiency. There are many advantages they have over immigrants.
The only problem for the UK employers is that, culturally, some low-paid jobs are considered more appropriate (waiter, phone interviewer) and hence more desired while other jobs are rather avoided (cleaner, farm worker, meat factory worker, etc.). From experience, in the latter category the vast majority of workers are immigrants.
kingfelix nanader
28 January 2013 11:23am
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@nanader – There is absolutely nothing unique to the UK regarding the difficulty of recruiting people for 3D jobs (dirty, difficult, dangerous) from the native population, once a particular point in economic development has been passed. The same exact phenomenon is found in Taiwan, Malaysia, Hong Kong, to name but a few.
It is not about being lazy, it is about the native born population not wishing to engage in that type of employment any longer. You can argue the rights and wrongs of that, but laziness is not a suitable descriptor, unless we're going to say 'all around the world, people are lazy'.
The same nonsense is trotted out regarding British attitudes when it comes to learning a second language. It's also wrongly attributed to arrogance or laziness, when actually, cost/benefit-wise, it is the right decision in most cases.
nanader konstantina2
28 January 2013 12:24pm
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@konstantina2 – I suppose a British person can get a well-paid job in Poland, judged by a local standard. For example as an English-speaking teacher in a private school. Otherwise there is always the option to go back to the UK.
If you get a good salary in Poland, you don't rely on the free public services in most cases. However, you are entitled to everything there just like any Pole is.
It's not obvious, but managers in Poland were among the best paid in Europe as recent as 2 years ago. It was not measured the absolute money they were getting, but by the purchasing power they were gaining while living in the country. For the same money you can buy much more in Poland than in UK. If I remember well, the average monthly manager's salary stood at around 2200 pounds sterling. It was more if you worked in the shale gas industry, where the managerial skills were especially scarce.
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Slimeyfinger
27 January 2013 10:24pm
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There seem to be plenty of Bulgarians and Romanians here already. They will have sent the word out.
vikingbones Slimeyfinger
27 January 2013 10:43pm
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What we need is the Southern Carpathian version of Lord Haw Haw.
Leoben Slimeyfinger
28 January 2013 12:03am
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They have sent the word out already.
Although they are allowed to move to the UK under EU law, most A2 nationals must first register with UKBA before they can be allowed to work in the UK as an employee. This registration takes 2 to 11 months to process. Only then can they apply for a National Insurance Number. This takes another month. Only then can they work.
The UKBA system is almost broken. Its a national embarrassment that will cost the UK goodwill in Eastern Europe for years.
The British politicians responsible for this have dissed A2 nationals this way because, quite simply, they are incompetent. Other British politicians who have been approached about this issue are facile, running off stock response letters. They have no expertise or interest in this issue. God forbid I should ever have to approach an MP for something.
Overseas nationals who are not on visitor visas can begin work as soon as they land in the UK.
Still, at least they're not European though, eh?
chillango Slimeyfinger
28 January 2013 1:21am
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Yes, yes but what was the 'word'?
DeunanKnute chillango
28 January 2013 3:36am
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@chillango –
"Bird" is the word. Haven't you heard?
teaandchocolate DeunanKnute
28 January 2013 8:41am
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@DeunanKnute 28 January 2013 3:36am. Backlink by cifFix.
@chillango –
"Bird" is the word. Haven't you heard?
It's Grease, Grease is the word, is the word, is the word, is the word……
GoodOmen DeunanKnute
28 January 2013 8:50am
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@DeunanKnute – I thought everybody had heard about the word?
Ezra85 DeunanKnute
28 January 2013 11:25am
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@DeunanKnute – Thanks, now that song is going to be stuck in my head all day
ChanceyGardener
27 January 2013 10:24pm
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Perhaps a campaign to tell the truth would be a start – but then that won't come from our politicians
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Religulous
27 January 2013 10:27pm
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Wasn't that what Beatrice and Eugenie's last trip was for?
isabellamacfar Religulous
27 January 2013 11:35pm
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@Religulous
well then, that's sorted it, they'll not come now
Cosmonaut Religulous
28 January 2013 12:23pm
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Wasn't that what Beatrice and Eugenie's last trip was for?
It was for a big fucking jolly at our expense.
Their freeloading dad got them the "job".
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SteelyGlint
27 January 2013 10:28pm
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What could possibly go wrong?
good2go SteelyGlint
27 January 2013 10:57pm
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Hold on ,this is wrong, they are going to take all these wonderful jobs,you know, these full time jobs that the tories are rattling on about .you know,these jobs that decent people are applying for,you know the ones,where there are 8 applicants for every job. This is an outrage,… Meanwhile back in reality ,they will not be taking any full time well paid jobs that have been denied to decent uk workers by the worker unfriendly system,no they will be showing lazy ungrateful uk workers how you can work harder for a lot less. All part of the crusade for lower paid workers.
postageincluded SteelyGlint
27 January 2013 11:58pm
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Apart from everything, you mean? Don't worry, a few of us do recognise irony when we see it.
The news that the Government is to include Monty Python in the Citizenship Test just makes this story that extra bit more zesty.
Ilovecheesetoo
27 January 2013 10:28pm
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I suppose this is the only way governments can control their borders once they they have given away the power to do it properly
JoyceDavenport
27 January 2013 10:29pm
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*gets popcorn* this should be good.
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IanCW
27 January 2013 10:30pm
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"Don't come to the UK. It rains all the time, everything's expensive, the service is shit and we effin' hate Johnny Foreigner unless he's a rich Russian or French banker. So fuck orf."
romantotale17 IanCW
28 January 2013 4:09am
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or "come to the UK: all the horse you can eat: 13p a pop"
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Novelist
27 January 2013 10:30pm
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It's fantastic all right. It reminds me more and more of another fantastical place to live: Terry Gilliam's 'Brazil'.
BemusedOne Novelist
27 January 2013 10:47pm
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Oh, thanks! Now I've got the music stuck in my head, with a flood of images to follow. A very disturbing movie that.
barfiller Novelist
27 January 2013 11:42pm
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Terry Gilliam is right up there with George Orwell as a critic of the state. Brazil is on my list of top three films (still haven't worked out the other two after 50 years of cinema-going).
passthebucket Novelist
28 January 2013 1:04am
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Ever noticed how the Conservative Party slogan used in the 2009 election is almost identical to the slogan used by the totalitarian government in Gilliam's Brazil…
"We're all in this together!"
wanderlustaj passthebucket
28 January 2013 10:32am
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@passthebucket – Ever noticed how the Conservative Party slogan used in the 2009 election is identical to the final song in High School Musical?
"We're all in this together!"
Ernekid
27 January 2013 10:31pm
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Wasn't this always the Tory masterplan? Make the country look as unattractive possible whilst profiting nicely from it
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lochaber
27 January 2013 10:31pm
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It's getting harder and harder to tell if these government initiatives are actually spoofs…..
Chessmen lochaber
28 January 2013 7:29am
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Government as self parody. Spooky.
DiamondFish lochaber
28 January 2013 10:04am
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It reminds me the Daily Mash story from last year: Immigration down as foreigners finally do some research
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Sachaflashman
27 January 2013 10:34pm
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If I were from Bulgaria or Rumania I too would want to offer my family a future but the question no-one is asking is how these two poor, corrupt and Mafia influenced countries managed to be accepted into the EU in the first place.
Perhaps Olli Rehn (the EU's unelected enlargement commissioner at the time) knows the answer.
muscleguy Sachaflashman
27 January 2013 10:45pm
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It was partly in a spirit of Euro-optimism: we would help them reform their governments, improve their infrastructure and then they would magically become social democratic Europeans. Except it doesn't seem to be working out like that in either country, sadly, though it's still early days.
It was also partly to keep them out of the sphere of those nasty Russians. Better have them in the Euro-tent pissing, well all about rather than out and being instructed by the Bear to just piss in.
Sachaflashman muscleguy
27 January 2013 10:48pm
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@muscleguy – Indeed, and waiting in the wings for their chance for a better life in the West: Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo.
youmustbejesting muscleguy
27 January 2013 11:02pm
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@muscleguy –
we would help them reform their governments, improve their infrastructure and then they would magically become social democratic Europeans.
Sounds like our Middle East policy.
passthebucket Sachaflashman
28 January 2013 1:48am
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the question no-one is asking is how these two poor, corrupt and Mafia influenced countries managed to be accepted into the EU in the first place…
A willingness to embrace debt servitude, that would be my guess…
I think it's important to dispel this illusion that the UK is somehow morally superior or righteous – this is what you're supposed to believe. And you're supposed to lose sleep over your own ethical choices too, which is unfair.
Please understand that London is an international hub for wealthy criminals and awash with dirty money, from Colombia to Russia. Having lived and worked in some of the world's most corrupt countries, I've concluded that the elites of advanced democratic nations really aren't any different to the over-privileged oligarchies in less affluent regimes – they're just more sophisticated when it comes to lying and thieving. In fact, they legislate for it.
The situation is the same the world over – a tiny corrupt minority running countries like private fiefdoms.
outoftouch2010
27 January 2013 10:35pm
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No housing, no handouts. No jobs no NHS and it is full of gobshite Tory dimwits.
Turnbull2000
27 January 2013 10:37pm
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greygran
27 January 2013 10:38pm
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Why not just erect an iron curtain around our coast. It will provide work and stop all those unpatriotic migrants to Spain, Australia, New Zealand, Dubai, Canada and so on from leaving, while also preventing those East Europeans from getting in. After that we can start on the concentration camps for the ones still here who don't agree.
Jimjimjeroo greygran
28 January 2013 12:47pm
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I do hope that was all satirical…
If not, then you are Richard Littlejohn, and I claim my £5.
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vikingbones
27 January 2013 10:38pm
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Saatchi & Saatchi will be preparing the storyboards as we speak.
nocausetoaddopt vikingbones
27 January 2013 11:14pm
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Big Issue sellers and beggars had better beware!!!
cooperative5
27 January 2013 10:39pm
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For God's sake, who is leading it; the Met Office!
literatin
27 January 2013 10:40pm
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"both country's citizens"? Tsk.
Wholahoop
27 January 2013 10:40pm
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Just tell them that reading the Guardian CiF section is mandatory. That'll do it.
eroica
27 January 2013 10:40pm
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And I was counting on a home swap to Bucharest…
scoosh
27 January 2013 10:43pm
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A picture of the Tory Party sitting smirking will be enough to put anyone off.
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banEMU
27 January 2013 10:43pm
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Even Thailand has official rules requiring proof of funds etc. We need new laws to prevent foreigners coming over and joining the NI system without a grace period of a year or two of continued work. The implications are huge – ask me, I'm n o t insured in my home country. In a medical emergency, where would I go? Right!
Gegenbeispiel banEMU
28 January 2013 12:35am
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I didn't know Thailand was in the EEA.
QRHJT banEMU
28 January 2013 5:57am
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The UK cannot introduce rules such as banEMU wants unless all the other countries in the EU do the same, but then that negates the free movement of goods & people which is the main plank the EU rests on . I can assure you it works very well for people outside the EU & even for the likes of me who are UK citizens but do not live in the EU . I cannot get a sue unless I buy a place in the UK but my funds do not stretch to that though . I hasten to add that I do pay UK taxes & derive no benefits whatsoever from paying tax.
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tdlx
27 January 2013 10:43pm
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Just make them read the Guardian everyday that will work a treat !
yonsok tdlx
27 January 2013 10:46pm
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Which begs the question , why are you here?
chillango yonsok
28 January 2013 1:24am
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@yonsok -,
He's been brain washed into becoming a socialist. It happened to me.
mattmcneany chillango
28 January 2013 2:57am
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@chillango 28 January 2013 1:24am. Backlink by cifFix.
Yeah, now you mention it I think I might have been brainwashed into becoming a socialist. I mean everyday you see the working class being pitted against one another on the basis of race or gender or nationality by a bunch of rich Etonians. It's clearly a socialist conspiracy if you ask me.
ymbspraec
27 January 2013 10:44pm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/jan/01/britishidentity.features11
DanLXIX
27 January 2013 10:44pm
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Political farce is dead. No one can write anything that is outrageous enough to keep up with this shower of shite.
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martin77
27 January 2013 10:45pm
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Just how much more of a total mess of things can Lord Snooty & The Tory Posh Boys make of things here in the UK ? Cameron and his merry men don't even know how to close our borders properly . How in heavens name did the British public ever get conned into putting this lot into power ?
FuriousThomas martin77
27 January 2013 11:19pm
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We weren't conned! 2 parties lost an election and formed an alliance of posh boys and ultra posh boys to divvy amongst themselves. They haven't even got a mandate!
The government is a joke and a cesspool of negativity and anti-inspiration… As if being negative about ourselves and our country is going to solve any problems. Even a child can see that this proposed plan will have no positive outcome for anyone…. How can it?
The only effect I can in visage this plan having is that of driving tourists away. And I think even David Cameron would agree that is not a great idea. Especially in a recession.
JanetEds FuriousThomas
28 January 2013 1:41am
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@FuriousThomas – It might be a joke if it were on a TV spoof but this bunch of imcompentent ideological fanatics are in charge of us all, propped up by Judus Clegg of course. (He needs to emigrate post 2015.)
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ToffeeGuy
27 January 2013 10:45pm
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"Ministers consider launching negative ad campaign in two countries to persuade potential immigrants to stay away from UK"
Surely a job for Lynton Crosby?
Englishgentryhunts ToffeeGuy
27 January 2013 11:04pm
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Or a campaign to dissuade poisonous antipodean PR exponents along the the lines of, "people are smarter in the UK than to buy your brand of bullshit, so fuck off back where you came from."
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27 January 2013 10:45pm
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HCollider1
27 January 2013 10:46pm
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Just link them to pictures of flooding and make them watch every news bulletin banging on about the weather as if it has never rained or snowed before and has never rained or snowed anywhere else.
Then make everyone who thinks they want to come read every single article from the Daily Mail.
That will do it.
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ArecBalrin
27 January 2013 10:46pm
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In the United States you don't need to use a bottle opener; most beers have a screw top.
Britain does not have this, go to America instead.
vikingbones ArecBalrin
27 January 2013 10:51pm
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You are really showing up your country's lack of sophistication. Next you'll be saying that your wine bottles don't have corks or those that do, well, you just shoot the top of with a semi-automatic.
VinceIncapable ArecBalrin
27 January 2013 10:55pm
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I hate the screw tops on Turps … you know the ones you have to push down and twist ….. its really fiddly when I'm gasping for a drink !
nocausetoaddopt ArecBalrin
27 January 2013 11:03pm
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ArecBalrin-
T,is true.
But why do you all screw it back on again before drinking it.
Tastes that bad eh….
Timbalada VinceIncapable
28 January 2013 12:50am
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@VinceIncapable – A nice drink in the park with your friends, sitting on the bench interacting with the passers by.
raistlain vikingbones
28 January 2013 1:40am
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@vikingbones
Based on ArecBalrin's Guardian Contributors Page, I'm guessing that he's a Brit, not an American. (Can't really be sure, but it looks to be a good guess.)
And there are a lot of really good beers made in America…but they do require a bottle opener.
That said, I usually prefer a beer from England, Ireland, Germany or Belgium…
smuglyfrombrazil ArecBalrin
28 January 2013 2:01am
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France is great! France is… nearer!
Chessmen smuglyfrombrazil
28 January 2013 7:34am
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@smuglyfrombrazil – France is warmer.
good2go VinceIncapable
28 January 2013 10:47am
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@VinceIncapable – And its not even proper turps now ,just a horrible substitute.For a real drink Iprefer industral thinners, cheers.
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maximusmanc
27 January 2013 10:47pm
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So they'll end putting off tourists too as a result, and we'll end up in permanent recession
JustTimThen maximusmanc
28 January 2013 12:08am
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Good point But I think The Economy will just about manage.
FuriousThomas
27 January 2013 10:47pm
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The Tories have found the answers to all our problems! Britain is s*** and immigrants should f*** off. Why oh why didn't I see it before David?! Growth? Employment? Equality for all? … Here we come!!!!
Tories have my Vote.
(not)
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alexalex30
27 January 2013 10:49pm
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More aggressive journalism from the Guardian. Any advertising campaign would I imagine manifest itself in support of staying where you are (by highlighting benefits, which is positive in itself) – and by as stated – unpicking the misinterpretation that the UK has 'streets paved with gold'.
Not sure what's wrong with that.
vikingbones alexalex30
27 January 2013 10:58pm
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unpicking the misinterpretation that the UK has 'streets paved with gold'.
Not sure what's wrong with that.
Just that the bankers made off with what gold there was.
responsibilitywithou vikingbones
27 January 2013 11:36pm
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@vikingbones –
I was under the impression that Labour sold off the gold-at discount prices?
romantotale17 alexalex30
28 January 2013 4:19am
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So your suggestion is that the rather than the UK gov presenting the UK negatively, but rather create a positive impression of Bulgaria / Romania?
Yes! You are right! Suggestion: try to improve things in Bulgaria by boosting national confidence, including them in supranational trading systems, and allowing them to sign up to international agreed standards on working conditions, rights etc. And we may benefit by sending them a little bit of cash to help them along.
Oh hang on, that sounds a lot like being part of Europe! And it means the UK being part of Europe too! What could I be thinking! Could it be that if the European project succeeds in improving the economies of new member countries, then more of their citizens may well wish to stay at home? Oh dear! Heresy!
jonnyc67 responsibilitywithou
28 January 2013 1:32pm
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@responsibilitywithou – To the bankers, who promptly pissed it up the wall on worthless sub prime mortgage backed securities….
yeoldetifosi
27 January 2013 10:50pm
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Howsabout something along the lines of….
"You know those shits who, er, "privatised" everything of use or value in your country and proceeded to fleece you all until you bled….well, they're all in Britain 'cos George Osborne thinks they're all just fuckin' dandy!"
pitchshifter
27 January 2013 10:51pm
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Reminds me of the Ray Winstone in Sexy Beast line, "Britain, it's a f**kin toilet"
Just post the emigration stats…
VinceIncapable
27 January 2013 10:52pm
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How about a Romanian campaign that says:
Warning Britain is full of Bulgarians !
And in Bulgaria:
Warning Britain is full of Romanians !
Paul Hill
27 January 2013 10:52pm
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Let them in I say, quicker we bring the economy to it's knees faster I see a resource based economy… or a dictatorship (I don't want this). Either way the world economy is going down the drain, educate yourselves people!
NoToNeo
27 January 2013 10:52pm
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You just can't make this s@#t up!
Tinsarah
27 January 2013 10:52pm
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martin77 is right An amazingly crazy and shortsighted plan which will certainly backfire.
Kitten69
27 January 2013 10:56pm
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Good grief! The government is starting to tell the truth! When will this silly season finish?
Vickersone
27 January 2013 10:56pm
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Show Jeremy Kyle.
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DT48
27 January 2013 10:57pm
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The minimum wage in Britain is ten times what it is in Bulgaria, and many people have to scavenge for food. What planet are our politicians on, if they think 'liking it here' is a prerequisite for wanting to come here?
smc732 DT48
27 January 2013 11:25pm
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You're right, this campaign won't deter anyone. A minimum capital requirement might though… well if he's after an EU renegotiation that might be a good one to put on the movement of Labour. I'm particularly apposed to this kind of free Labour movement, given it's economic implications and the resultant effect it has, particularly on the poorest in Britain.
RubberBaron DT48
27 January 2013 11:52pm
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…Bulgaria, and many people have to scavenge for food
Oh! An expert on Bulgaria!
I will have to tell my Bulgarian wife how they struggle for food over there. She'll be very interested in that piece of gratuitous shit…
Leoben smc732
28 January 2013 12:09am
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@smc732 – Don't forget that at least some of Britain's poor are poor because they deserve to be. Give me a go-getting Eastern European anytime. They're probably nicer people, too.
smc732 Leoben
28 January 2013 12:17am
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@Leoben – How do you know they're nicer people, that's a poor assumption to make. So the deserving and undeserving poor is your view? The point you're missing is that this will drive down wages in the UK for the poorest in society already, and it's not as if they are going anywhere so we will still have the poor and the imported migrants. Personally, I'd much rather give someone a chance who's already here.
tajana RubberBaron
28 January 2013 12:24am
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@RubberBaron – People do scavange for food in bins in Bulgaria (and no not for some garlic houmous an hour near it's sell by date from waitrose but mouldy bread) there is even a turkish source noun for it – "konteinerzhiiya"
Gegenbeispiel smc732
28 January 2013 12:40am
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@smc732 – you cannot have a single market without free movement of labour – it becomes massively distorted.
If you want stability and a relaxed lifestyle – I know I do – go the whole way and have a planned redistributive egalitarian economy with minimal markets.
Gegenbeispiel Leoben
28 January 2013 12:41am
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@Leoben – no-one deserves to be poor.
Gegenbeispiel smc732
28 January 2013 12:44am
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@smc732 – I forgot to say that there is no way the EU will agree to the UK staying in the EEA or even having a favourable trade trety with the EU if a minimum capital requirement or anything like it is imposed.
Also, how the hell will what's left of the UK control its border with Scotland, an EU member?
smc732 Gegenbeispiel
28 January 2013 12:48am
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@Gegenbeispiel – Not as much as you'd think. I mean Labour movement compared with capital movement in the EU is tiny because of culture, language etc and especially as 60-70% of the economy of the UK isn't traded, the distortions would be tiny.
I would like that kind of society, but it never works unfortunately. Planned economies lack the necessary incentives and are abysmally inefficient compared with market economies. My personal preference is market socialism, using the benefits of markets but with the security and egalitarian lifestyle many people would like.
smc732 Gegenbeispiel
28 January 2013 12:50am
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@Gegenbeispiel – You're probably right on that point, but other wealthy countries like France and Germany I'm sure are interested in a similar move given the economic woes of southern Europe, there populations won't want tides of people moving from the South. Scotland isn't an EU member, the UK is. If they get independence then maybe Hadrian wall might see some active service once again
smc732 Gegenbeispiel
28 January 2013 1:09am
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@Gegenbeispiel – Forgot to add, if anything free Labour movement at least in the way it is envisaged in the EU could be more discretionary. If you think of the effect it has on incentives in the UK, and the peculiar allocative effect because of us having a welfare system here.
smc732 smc732
28 January 2013 1:10am
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@smc732 – Discretionary should read distortionary
chillango DT48
28 January 2013 1:27am
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Scavenge? Like a squirrel or vole?
JanetEds DT48
28 January 2013 1:43am
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It's like telling people not to panic buy petrol – rush to the pumps.
Rob30 Gegenbeispiel
28 January 2013 10:16am
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@Gegenbeispiel – May I introduce you to Dave and George? They may see things differently.
Gegenbeispiel Rob30
28 January 2013 10:28am
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@Rob30 – No thanks. I don't hang out with vandals, gang members and liars. Even if they have aristocratic backgrounds,
Gegenbeispiel tajana
28 January 2013 10:35am
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@tajana – "zhiya" sounds Slavic rather than Ural-Altaic (Turkic). Rather like "life", rus. "zhizn'", pol. "życie".
Gegenbeispiel smc732
28 January 2013 10:51am
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@smc732 –
1. I admit that labour movement is small cf capital movement. But that's because the latter is grossly exaggerated by the hypertrophic, cancerous finance sector. The latter needs to be shrunk very drastically. Tobin taxes and similar controls, which are necessary anyway, should do that job.
2. Disagree about incentives. We don't need incentives, there's far too much economic activity already . With modern technology levels, we should be down to a maximum 15 – 20 hour workweek. And most innovation these days is (and perhaps always was, I don't know enough history) just useless fashion, like changing the look-and-feel of websites which already work. This is actually a major cause of inefficiency, as is often the case with competition.
Gardener4
27 January 2013 10:57pm
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With the economic outlook for Britain being what it is, we won't have to dissuade anyone from coming.
IanInOz
27 January 2013 10:58pm
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Just send them the weather forecast!
SonnyReds
27 January 2013 10:59pm
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How about we just show them the queues outside of foodbanks. That should put them off. They'll think Britain is relegating itself to third world status. Hold on a minute…….
WoodwardRobert
27 January 2013 11:01pm
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How typical of the Tories, running down the country, again.
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nestormakhno73
27 January 2013 11:01pm
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No offense intended but Romanians do not have a positive view of Britain, specifically the english are seen as cold, xenophobic and with the tendency of being child molestors. I am married to a Romanian and have visited the country extensively and they do not have a nice view of britain their press is full of wierd stories from britain which makes national enquirer/news of the screws look like high culture. My wife when at school in the 1990's was told to walk away if someone was close to the school and tried to talk to english to them as they had had large numers of British paedophiles trying to abduct children. When I got married in Romania I had to go to a legal interpreter (notary) to translate the legal ramifications … when he realised I was scottish and not english he was so happy and started cracking jokes about the english I said to him " I thought it was only us scots that make jokes about them" and his reply in perfect english was "no they are the joke of all of europe…its their small mindeness is the whole point"…. seriously though Romanians are highly educated and they dont/ wont want to come to the UK they will go to Germany where a decent economy awaits. The ones in spain and italy will either wait it (the recession) out as they have a similarity of culture or move to germany. what this is really about is the Gypsies, all this anti romanian/ bulgarian commentary is actually about the fear of an influx of Romany. I remeber the first time I saw my first true romanys they looked like something out of Black cat white cat, but there are others which have been completely assimilated and added positively to overall Romanian culture. It is western racial views that have coloured policy not economic facts.
Turnbull2000 nestormakhno73
27 January 2013 11:09pm
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Then Romanian's, one the whole, sound rather bigoted. I hope we put up the barricades in 2014.
SonnyReds nestormakhno73
27 January 2013 11:14pm
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Funny you should say that. I'm British and I see my country as full of insular regressive people still thinking they are living in Nelson's time and still rule 3/4 of the world. I see Britain as a nation of selfish individuals who don't give a damn about a struggling neighbour, as long as they themselves are ok. I see a nation that thrives on conflict and disharmony and actively pursues it. I see a nation that in 2013 other countries see as an irrelevant spot on a map that is on the edge of Europe. I see a nation that I'm embarrassed to be associated with. I'm embarrassed to be British.
missing yet again nestormakhno73
27 January 2013 11:18pm
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The Romany are what they are because of racism in Romania and across Eastern Europe.
Romania isn't a safe place to be gay or non-white either.
Romania is also just below the UK in European education ratings.
barfiller nestormakhno73
27 January 2013 11:23pm
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his reply in perfect english was "no they are the joke of all of europe…its their small mindeness is the whole point"
Perfect English – so you have misreported him?
RobspierreRules nestormakhno73
27 January 2013 11:40pm
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Well, from well outside the context here but what I noticed in this well written sketch was the seeming impossibilities of mixing these nationalities – the Scots and the English, I mean.
missing yet again SonnyReds
27 January 2013 11:55pm
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@SonnyReds – Expecting the poorest in the UK to pay for your dream of helping the poorest across Europe doesn't make you the best person to criticise anyone.
SonnyReds missing yet again
27 January 2013 11:59pm
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@missing yet again –
I don't know what you are talking about? I basically said I wish I was French, and leave this shithole of a country behind forever.
tajana Turnbull2000
28 January 2013 12:02am
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@Turnbull2000 – They are; they have a pure unreconstructed fascist party called the "iron front- greater Romania" with a fruitcase leader called Corneliu Vadim Tudor that is openly nostalgic about Nazi Germany.
chillango SonnyReds
28 January 2013 1:30am
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@SonnyReds -,
It must be very difficult to live in a country where 3 out of 4 inhabitants are your enemy.
I've got to ask: what is your motivation for staying in the UK?
SonnyReds chillango
28 January 2013 2:10am
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@chillango –
Believe me I'd like to get away from the likes of you as soon as possible. But I have family who I have to look after. I wish I'd brought them up in another country. I wish my family were a different nationality. I look around and see a lot of good people, but mainly this country is made up of scum.
Emil Oprisa tajana
28 January 2013 2:10am
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@tajana – that is the stupidest thing I read on here 🙂 The party is called Greater Romania Party and its leader Corneliu Vadim Tudor is the laughingstock of Romania. Ask any Romanian. How can a guy who wrote poems for Ceausescu be a fascist?
RomanianPetra tajana
28 January 2013 1:26pm
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@tajana – You don't know what you're talking about. This party exists, yes, but has no influence in Romania. The only adepts are the few nostalgics left in Romania.
I see lots of critics about us, the romanians. Specially in the UK this days. But as we hear all this things, we realise more and more how little you know about us and about how Romania is like. But oh my God, you do have many ideas….
And by the way, so many of us are hard workers, honest and educated people and as you insult us so easly (as myself, my family, my friends and everybody I know – are some kind of scombags who will invade your wonderland, bring in the crime and poor down your country) here is my answer to you: God bless the brits, as they know it all!!!
PS: do not worry, your Highnesses, I doubt many of us will come to UK, more then to visit it. And it's time for you to wake up and blame something else then migrants for your internal issues.
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WoodwardRobert
27 January 2013 11:03pm
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The problem with this hare-brained idea, is that businesses that might want to set up in the UK will also see the ads and stay away too.
Doesnt anyone in this government of imbeciles and morons have a brain cell?
Ilovecheesetoo WoodwardRobert
28 January 2013 12:02am
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Why are there so many people in this country who see business these days as something from abroad that we might be able to tempt here? You do realise that foreign investors usually come on the promise of low tax/agreed avoidance and aim to make a profit that is then taken out the country?
chillango WoodwardRobert
28 January 2013 1:31am
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Contrary to popular belief, hares are intelligent creatures; and, have resting heart beat of fewer than 50 beats per minute.
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MANYANI
27 January 2013 11:07pm
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When Hitchcock made Torn Curtain he filmed all the scenes that were supposedly behind the Iron Curtain in drab colours, browns and beiges and everything in the West in bright colours. Communism bad 🙁 capitalism good 🙂
We could do the reverse, Trudging plebs chewing disconsolately on budget horse and offal burgers lined up around the block at the rain soaked job centre while back in Romania raven haired gypsy sirens dance around the camp fire in a blaze of wine and technicolor while succulent pig roasts over the coals. I know what I'd choose.
(ps available for writing up the storyboard Minister of Disinformation)
nestormakhno73 MANYANI
27 January 2013 11:13pm
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Sir, you are a poet! No irony intended!
JohnCan45
27 January 2013 11:10pm
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But these are countries where people expect governments to lie to them. So if the British government tells them not to come, they must be hiding something.
Better get there right away!
BenMcCrory
27 January 2013 11:12pm
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Britain. You're welcome to it.
FionaKabuki
27 January 2013 11:13pm
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Jings: I go out for the evening and come back to find the government is intending to tell the truth. Whatever next??
goldframepicture
27 January 2013 11:13pm
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We have so much benefits dross in this country that we really shouldn't be pointing the finger.
Ever occur to a anyone that the Romanians in questions might be highly trained IT professionals and not squeegee merchants?
Oh well, guess not. Easier to talk PC than to practice it, eh?
MakeMPsOwnUp
27 January 2013 11:14pm
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Please don't come to Britain – it rains and the jobs are scarce and low-paid.
If that's the message the Conman-servatives are planning to give the whole thing will back fire on them. In some areas of Romania (a country I know well) rain would be the least of the weather worries; last time I was there it was -14C and nearly a metre of snow on the ground for several months. Jobs aren't scare they are non-existant; last time I was 40% of the city I visited were unemployed! Low paid? Well if you haven't got a job in Romania then a low-paid job in Britain would be a luxurious life-style. And if you think road maintenance is bad here then try driving in parts of Romania: pot holes deep enough for a Ford Transit to fall into, bridges with missing carriageways, dirt roads in the centre of cities. Film buffs will know how back it can be from watching Sacha Baron Cohen's Borjat, which despite the subtitle was filmed in rural Romania. Sure they won't like it here.
As usual this government is talking out of its backside.
pichard
27 January 2013 11:15pm
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David Cameron has a strange dream:
Scotland has just got its independance, and has been allowed to join the EU. More and more Scottish economic migrants are coming through the border. Billboards in Edimburgh showing negative adverts about England have no effect….
David wakes up in a sweat.
No, No, No … When Scotland tries to join the EU I'll use my veto.
damnfool
27 January 2013 11:15pm
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This is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time.
riggbeck
27 January 2013 11:17pm
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What's needed is a triple-dip recession, combined with an economically illiterate government demonising immigrants and the poor, while slashing social services. That's bound to put immigrants off.
Things must be really bad in Romania and Bulgaria.
CantUseMyOwnName
27 January 2013 11:19pm
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I think translating a party political broadcast by the conservative party ought to do the trick…
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Bluejil
27 January 2013 11:20pm
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Hilarious.
The plan, which would focus on the downsides of British life,
I would call that Osborne's plan A.
Just tell them there is NO plan B. That ought to do it.
RobspierreRules Bluejil
27 January 2013 11:42pm
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Consider. They may be Plan B.
madasballoons
27 January 2013 11:21pm
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There has of course been lots of governments and dictators in the past with a xenophobic agenda.
Idi Amin for example.
I would put our present right wing nutters in the same category.
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NewsTramp
27 January 2013 11:22pm
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I can see parallel government websites in this, depending on what your ip address is you get directed to websites targeted to your country. Maybe using web history records too, rich go to one, poor to another. what a wheez.
rebeccazg NewsTramp
27 January 2013 11:51pm
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I thought the same – one saying 'open for business' with photos of the city…
the other saying 'you dont want to come here' with pictures of homeless people sitting in queues outside job centres ( broken windows optional)…
.cn goes to one, .bg goes to another …
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theendisnigh2
27 January 2013 11:22pm
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Just goes to show that when you're in the EU and have signed the various treaties you are stuck. You have lost sovereignty over immigration policy and law. Fine, you might say, because brits can get jobs elsewhere, but face it how many brits would willingly go to Romania or Bulgaria, or even Holland or Portugal? This was always going to be a one sided bargain whereby big business were thrilled at getting oodles of cheap labour and access to a greater market. the result; they could make a killing whilst paying ever less for labour.
This is one experiment that's been a catastrophe for most people!
TarsusB theendisnigh2
27 January 2013 11:54pm
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The numbers of emigrants is huge. You're overlooking all the Brits now living in Europe by choice not catastrophe.
Ilovecheesetoo TarsusB
28 January 2013 12:05am
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@TarsusB – far fewer than the number that come here. That's why its called NET immigration and is in the hundreds of thousands..
LandOfConfusion theendisnigh2
28 January 2013 1:35am
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The Netherlands are a great place to live and work.
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PICODUARTE
27 January 2013 11:23pm
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If you don't want to live alongside immigrants settling in the UK, then leave.
FionaKabuki PICODUARTE
27 January 2013 11:29pm
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Don't be silly, PICODUARTE: that would make him or her an immigrant. That would probably mean that if s/he tried to get a job s/he would have to deport him/herself………….
koichan
27 January 2013 11:25pm
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Can we get these ads tacked onto the end of any media announcement from the Tory/LD/NuLab parties here in the UK please?
"This is what we are causing with our policies" 🙂
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Johnnytightfit
27 January 2013 11:28pm
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How about we let them all in and we all quietly sneak out of the back? Bulgaria looks like a beautiful country, maybe we could do an exchange for say the next 500 years?
SonnyReds Johnnytightfit
27 January 2013 11:37pm
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As long as we can also swap governments. Let them keep Cameron and his band of merry men with their "restlessly creative" (I've never laughed so much) ways of growing the economy, according to Clegg. And we'll take our chances with whatever they've got over there. It can't be any worse.
RubberBaron SonnyReds
27 January 2013 11:57pm
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@SonnyReds – Aaahhh… we do not want the Bulgarian government. More incompetent than ours and comfortably in the (Bulgarian/Russian0 Mafia's pockets.
SonnyReds RubberBaron
28 January 2013 12:10am
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@RubberBaron –
Where our government is in the pockets of the City mafia. Corruption doesn't exist here right? Dodgy Dave's £250000 breakfasts don't exist right?
000a000
27 January 2013 11:36pm
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Only in the Guardian. Pro EU from now until the Tories hold the EU referendum…
gorianin
27 January 2013 11:36pm
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I found it funny, having in mind all my neighbors in Bulgaria and NY are British, though the one in Bulgaria are mostly white trash and the one in NY have post graduate education. I think the british in Bulgaria trash its country image already, government should safe tax income 🙂
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MrYESNO
27 January 2013 11:36pm
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Well, any one of us could have been born in Somalia or the Congo. To complain about Britain being a shithole must seem completely incomprehensible to those living in the poorest, or most war-torn parts of the world. The children slaving in mines under warlords in the Congo, digging up rare-earth metals to go in our smart phones – their hearts must bleed for our misfortune of having been born in Britain. We should count our blessings, us kings living in a wealthy, free liberal democracy. Nobody ever starves to death in Britain – that alone makes it a utopia in the eyes of the poorest billion of our fellow humans.
SonnyReds MrYESNO
27 January 2013 11:39pm
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Sounds a bit like Argos. Forcing 18 year olds to work for them or they'll tell the DWP they have been naughty children and get their benefits stopped. Which means no food.
FionaKabuki MrYESNO
27 January 2013 11:41pm
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If you do not defend the civilised values you have you will find that there is no substantive difference very shortly. Do you actually have a point?
SonnyReds FionaKabuki
27 January 2013 11:43pm
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@FionaKabuki –
My point is (if you mean me) is that Britain now has forced labour. Forced labour means working without pay under threat. Workfare fullfills that criteria.
FionaKabuki SonnyReds
28 January 2013 12:34am
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@SonnyReds – Didn't mean you, no. I was addressing MRYESNO, as he seems to think that if you are not the very worst you have nothing to complain about, regardless of the direction of travel
VinceIncapable
27 January 2013 11:42pm
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I know what would put them off …. make up some stories that makes us sound like a third world country ….. tell 'em we eat horse meat and lots of people have to queue up at food banks for meals !
Dang ! No let me think this through a bit more !
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Neurostrike
27 January 2013 11:44pm
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What have the Romanians ever done for us..?
pichard Neurostrike
28 January 2013 12:11am
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What have the Romanians ever done to us?
Thegreatgame Neurostrike
28 January 2013 12:55am
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90% of UK ATM fraud.
Emil Oprisa Neurostrike
28 January 2013 2:15am
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I think the Germans or the French have done much worse to you over the years than we Romanians.
missing yet again Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 2:23am
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@Emil Oprisa – You've all knocked us out of a football tournament.
RolyPolyBird
27 January 2013 11:44pm
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Okay.. lets talk about the still dire state of the orphanages, the mafia, corruption and human rights abuses then.
Familyg
27 January 2013 11:45pm
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RolyPolyBird
27 January 2013 11:47pm
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oh and I forgot the big one.. how they treat the Roma.. but the UK seems to do a stellar job at treating them like shit as well.
Emil Oprisa RolyPolyBird
28 January 2013 2:21am
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How do we treat the Gypsy? We treat people like people. The fact that the majority of Gypsies choose not to integrate in our society and instead of working resort to some type of crime, dictates our actions. What do you want us to do? Kiss them on their forehead? Or are you under the impression that they are committing crimes abroad and are model citizens in Romania?
missing yet again Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 2:32am
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@Emil Oprisa – Type in racism in Romania and quite a bit comes up suggesting Romania has quite a lot.
Emil Oprisa missing yet again
28 January 2013 2:57am
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@missing yet again – I don't need to type anything, I think I know my country better than some journalists some thousand miles away… There is no country on earth where there is no racism. I bet if I type Great Britain racism i'll come up with more than you will if you type Romania racism. Yes, there is resentment towards the gypsy population but it's not because the colour of their skin, it's because of their actions and that my friend is no longer racism…
lonelysoul72
27 January 2013 11:48pm
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what…..the….fck
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TarsusB
27 January 2013 11:50pm
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This is the very approach used by the old guard Leicester bigots to persuade Asians not to move to Leicester.
It seems that people were so intrigued by the adverts that word soon got round that Leicester wasn't unpleasant; just the opposite: Leicester was/is a rather nice place. So nice, in fact, that many Asians chose to move there than other parts of the UK.
What we should tell them is that David Cameron's domestic policies are as successful as his European ones.
caroassassino TarsusB
28 January 2013 1:41am
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Perhaps do the same adverts, but referencing France and Germany?
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ferka
27 January 2013 11:54pm
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Have all the members of the Conservative party filmed expressing their opinions on life, the NHS and foreigners? Better still have them do it naked?
TarsusB ferka
27 January 2013 11:57pm
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Does that mean Eric Pickles will get to see his willy for the first time since 1967?
siff TarsusB
28 January 2013 12:12am
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@TarsusB – Not unless he puts a mirror on the floor.
TarsusB siff
28 January 2013 12:33am
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@siff – hee hee. That's certainly more practical than his crackpot ministerial missives.
Goatboy1970
27 January 2013 11:54pm
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Brit spotted in London!!
cheveguara
27 January 2013 11:59pm
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Britain's so crap even I am leaving. Don't come, it's utter shite.
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gooogle
28 January 2013 12:01am
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It's about 1000 persons per week that will be coming in (Approx 50,000 p.a.). A small village each and every week. Start building the new hospitals, schools and houses, we are going to need them.
xavierzubercock gooogle
28 January 2013 12:12am
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matthewlynas gooogle
28 January 2013 12:15am
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Now there would be an excellent road out of recession. 1000 people arrive per week, massive strain on public services. Tories austerity goes out the window. We borrow some cash instead of trying to reduce the deficit, massive increase in employment from the state to build schools and hospitals and upgrade public transport. Job creation, increased tax revenue, far better public services. Initially higher deficit but with a country that just lept forward in its infrastructure, more employment and an economy with cash moving in it again we're in a much better position to cut the deficit now that the private sector is prepared to spend again (due to the revenue flow that came from all those public sector earners having a little disposable income again).
Would be a far better scenario than the one we are in currently.
holzy
28 January 2013 12:04am
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Fuck me! If this had been a story line in 'The Thick of It' we'd have all been here typing 'come one, that's completely unbelievable!'
Jeez, this coalition is so embarrassing – government trashing the nation – wow, I feel so good about paying tax right now…
Tingler
28 January 2013 12:05am
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tajana
28 January 2013 12:06am
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Why did Eurostar have ads in 2007 "depicting a tattooed skinhead urinating into a china teacup" ………to get Belgian gay S&M punters onto trains to London?
sceptic60
28 January 2013 12:06am
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When they are here – they pay Capita to text migrants to go home even though they have visas and passports – http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=4644
000a000
28 January 2013 12:06am
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Ads that are untrue never work in any case – it is well known globally that British benefit claimants are in the top few percent of incomes globally (despite the constant leftist grumblings here).
marph70
28 January 2013 12:07am
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where is the ad we want to leave!
DougMcCrae
28 January 2013 12:07am
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This will go down in history as the first honest advert ever created.
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matthewlynas
28 January 2013 12:08am
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As always. If you're worried about the fact that someone from Eastern Europe is going to come here and take your job because they'll do it for less pay and you're getting angry at leftists and immigrants who want open borders you're getting angry in the wrong direction. Even if someone comes from Eastern Europe they wouldn't be able to take your job for less pay if we had decent unions and workers rights. Why don't we have decent unions and worker protections? Rather than us all bickering over our austerity turkey twizzlers at the kids table while the adults are sitting in 'recession britain' with a Sunday roast let's get angry in the right direction.
Mobility is a wonderful and inspiring idea. The thought that your children and grandchildren could choose to live in London or Paris or Berlin, a ski resort instructor in France or as a teacher in Madrid is a great one. Instead we have a nation preparing to limit the chance of expanded freedom of movement and the prospect of even richer diversity of culture because they still see in terms of the imagined communities of nations instead of the very real communities of class.
jelliott matthewlynas
28 January 2013 12:43am
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What he said… I don't understand – I've read all the comments from the top and haven't disagreed with any of them. Have all the morons gone to bed?
Mark Court
28 January 2013 12:09am
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Emma Lazarus (1849–87)
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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siff
28 January 2013 12:09am
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''The Home Office has not produced an official estimate of how many of the 29 million Romanian and Bulgarian citizens will take advantage of their new freedoms when controls are lifted.''
Er, about 26 million ?
( I was round at my mum's today, reading her Sunday Mail.)
MikeRichards siff
28 January 2013 12:30am
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'Er, about 26 million ?
( I was round at my mum's today, reading her Sunday Mail.)'
That'd be a rather a low estimate for the Mail. They'd be running a story that Eastern European migrants heading for the UK are digging up their ancestors, tying them to the underside of lorries and filling up OUR cemeteries with their dead.
I'd better shut up before I give Mad Mel and Peter Hitchens ideas.
birney MikeRichards
28 January 2013 10:59am
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@MikeRichards – ah but will they stay in the cemetaries -isn't that region where vampires hail from
Paul923
28 January 2013 12:10am
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domfloyd
28 January 2013 12:12am
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So, when right wingers complain about "the left" always "putting Britain down", can we through this back in their faces?
garetko
28 January 2013 12:15am
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What about Croatia?
PriscillaPrestwich
28 January 2013 12:18am
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And of course this won't end up on YouTube being seen by the "wrong" people.
toubib
28 January 2013 12:18am
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Definitely in the league of "you couldn't make it up"
Turinsday
28 January 2013 12:20am
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They do have a point hmmm…..
Oh well best vote YES, 2014.
nickmannion
28 January 2013 12:20am
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A cheap one would be six mug shots of Cameron, Clegg, Osborne, Gove, Hunt and Bo Jo and the words
'why would you want to come here with these in charge'
Simple. Effective. Says all.
Cheque please….via any offshore method you have failed to close down yet…obviously!
trow
28 January 2013 12:21am
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Is this a joke if i was living in a tin hut in Romania i know were i would be heading given the chance.
Paul923
28 January 2013 12:22am
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They won't come once they hear that benefits have been capped at 59,583 Bulgarian Leva per annum. (Average income лв 9,048 pa)
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MikeRichards
28 January 2013 12:22am
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From the article:
In 2007, Eurostar ran adverts in Belgium for its trains to London depicting a tattooed skinhead urinating into a china teacup.'
I can only assume they were trying to cut down on overcrowding.
madmonk35 MikeRichards
28 January 2013 12:38am
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knowing the Belgians like I do, that's right up their street humour wise.
saltandsauce MikeRichards
28 January 2013 12:51am
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Overcrowding? Maybe not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manneken_Pis
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Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 12:23am
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I think they would be very welcome here in Argentina.
You know, a country built through migration, with a lot of room, etc.
And being white European is always an advantage here in these former colonies.
The bad thing is our inflation rate, corrupted officers, insecurity and those conflicts with the rest of the World.
Are Argentine migrants accepted in the UK?
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 1:33am
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Incoherent as usual…what "conflicts with the rest of the world?" are you feeling ok pablito? you sound a bit dizzy.
P.s, no, no sudakas allowed in the UK.
Pablo Cedron FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 1:41am
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@FlorAntartica –
The omnipresent Florcita…
I thought your bosses only allow you to post in the Kirchner related topics.
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 1:45am
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@Pablo Cedron – I dont have bosses Pablito, sorry to burst your bubble..
😉
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 1:54am
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@Pablo Cedron – for the record…the article is about UK not Argentina..why are gorillas so obsessed? lol dont you have anything better to do than posting rubbish on a online paper 24/7? just curious..
Pablo Cedron FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 1:54am
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@FlorAntartica – True Florcita, you call them punteros, but it's the same..
Pablo Cedron FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 1:57am
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@FlorAntartica -Posting rubbish 24/7 is your job.
Why are you curious about it?
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 1:58am
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@Pablo Cedron – What?..please, dont make me go to bed early…yawn..
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 2:03am
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@Pablo Cedron – really? and how many times you saw me recently? seems you are projecting your own job on me pabli, you seem to live here.., why dont you do something productive or just enjoy summer ? you will feel better..
Pablo Cedron FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 2:05am
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@FlorAntartica –
.please, dont make me go to bed early…yawn
Sounds pretty sad.
Nobody waits for Florcita in bed?
Pablo Cedron Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 2:06am
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@Pablo Cedron – Not a surprise anyway
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 2:07am
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@Pablo Cedron – not in the mood, too much heat haha
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 2:11am
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@Pablo Cedron – as for those immigrants you are expecting to come, you will have to put them in your backyard if you have any, "Pablito's camping" lol if I knew your address I ll send them there, it was your frigging idea!
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 2:13am
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@Pablo Cedron – lol you replied to yourself…thinks its bedtime for you, gran
Pablo Cedron FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 2:16am
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@FlorAntartica –
not in the mood, too much heat haha
There are those appliances, you know, air conditioners and fans.
You can buy them in the supermarket.
No. Wait. They are imported, so they do not exist.
Pablo Cedron FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 2:18am
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@FlorAntartica –
as for those immigrants you are expecting to come, you will have to put them in your backyard if you have any, "Pablito's camping" lol if I knew your address I ll send them there, it was your frigging idea!
They would be a lot better than Boudou, Kirchner, La Campra etc. no doubts.
FlorAntartica Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 5:29am
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@Pablo Cedron – ooops wrong again pabli,they are not imported, they do exist…maybe they dont exist in your village but thats another issue.
Btw..they are not good for your health, when its 35º outside & 15 º inside you can get a cold or worse…didnt your mum tell you?
Pablo Cedron FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 10:15am
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@FlorAntartica – Your problem is not the heat, Florcita.
Ever considered to see a psychiatrist?
birney Pablo Cedron
28 January 2013 11:01am
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allowed? whats that got to do with it ?
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Willbox
28 January 2013 12:28am
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Just ship over a few hundred thousands copies of the Daily Mail and hand them out. That'll put them off!
TarsusB Willbox
28 January 2013 12:36am
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They'll probably enjoy all the titillating pictures and paparazzi shots the Mail still prints some 15 years after promising not to. It seems to work here because it's not gutter smut if it's dressed up the right way.
TarsusB TarsusB
28 January 2013 12:38am
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@TarsusB – Apologies to the Northcliffe legacy. It's a respectable news outlet.
TarsusB TarsusB
28 January 2013 12:38am
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@TarsusB – But will Bulgarians affect my house price?
TarsusB TarsusB
28 January 2013 12:42am
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@TarsusB – And will I start posting nonsense on online blogs shouting people down with lots of non-facts because I'm too scared to leave the house?
saltandsauce TarsusB
28 January 2013 12:52am
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@TarsusB – No, but they'll probably give you cancer.
Leondeinos
28 January 2013 12:33am
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The biggest downside of British life is its craven, stupid austerity government. That and the excessively expensive rail network. (British Rail was great.)
I'll emigrate elsewhere this year (and I'm neither Bulgarian nor Romanian).
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thequantumuniverse
28 January 2013 12:34am
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I'll bet that most people won't be able to tell the difference whatsoever. It's a storm in a teacup. PLUS these countries are well advanced and not the peasant backwaters that most people think they are. Only the young, upwardly mobile will come over, the attitudes we demonstrate to our European partners is embarrassing. Bloody stupid!
Vocalista thequantumuniverse
28 January 2013 12:58am
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The average salary in Bulgaria is £45 per week and pensioners get around £100 per month…if I was Bulgarian, I'd be packing my suitcase.
thequantumuniverse Vocalista
28 January 2013 1:16am
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@Vocalista – Recently viewed blogs put lager at 70p a pint in Bulgaria. It's all relative. If I was packing my suitcase in Bulgaria, I'd be filling it with beer.
tajana thequantumuniverse
28 January 2013 1:44am
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@thequantumuniverse – but apart from beer and local fresh fruit and vegetables in summer almost other foods are almost or as expensive as in britain……sunflower oil, butter, meat, sugar etc are the same so it's not so relative.
madamson
28 January 2013 12:37am
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Straight out of "The Thick of it". Brilliant.
pichard
28 January 2013 12:40am
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Can the government provide us with a net migration figure that is better than guess work? Do they really have any idea of the number of people from Bulgaria and Romania who will want to come here? Hasn't Eric Pickle avoided to answer the question because he hadn't the faintest idea?
Would these people come if there is no job for them? Why is it that the number of people leaving the UK has increased last year while the number of people coming in has decreased?
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Wordblind
28 January 2013 12:42am
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Immigration is often brought down to an issue of racism and scare-mongering.
The world's population is increasing and food and water will be a limiting factor. This is the single most important issue on the political scene and has been for years as I guess you have not failed to notice.
Whether we let in no further immigrants or relax the laws, in the long run the world will fight for food and water ressources. Now who earns the food and the water?
But let's use smoke and mirrors, and not try and plan for our future, not if the price for peace means sitting around the table and trying to work out our differences but rather getting filthy rich on the backs of the majority.
You need grunts to fight wars. Grunt, grunt, grunt…
missing yet again Wordblind
28 January 2013 2:25am
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The UK won't have a problem with food or water.
birney missing yet again
28 January 2013 11:05am
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@missing yet again – we could well have too much water leading to poor harvests, we have had to import potatoes this year, if we cant be self sufficient in spuds we are doomed [no Irish famine jokes ta]
savo47
28 January 2013 12:48am
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They are not ordinary idiots, they are mega idiots.
TurksandCaicossian
28 January 2013 12:50am
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Why not just cut and paste CIF comments into special supplements in all the popular newspapers? If that doesn't put the poor sods off nothing will!
Wordblind
28 January 2013 12:53am
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Check this out… we have a minor U-turn of British marketing here…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2013/jan/27/british-citizenship-test-values-principles
"Britain is a fantastic place to live…"
Yes, it is.
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carlygirl
28 January 2013 12:53am
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Problem is that with the good you'll get the bad and once the Roma come in, like the Travelers – you will be stuck paying for them. That might sound racist to some but let's be honest it's the truth.
FionaKabuki carlygirl
28 January 2013 12:56am
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Agreed. It sounds racist to me
BloodyTories carlygirl
28 January 2013 1:51am
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Yes, I think it sounds racist, too.
Try this racism test:
How many sentences do you start with "I'm not a racist, but…"
pete bloggs FionaKabuki
28 January 2013 3:41am
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@FionaKabuki –
Maybe everyone who has recommended your post should put their race down and then we can get a glimpse into racism that isn't reported.
Non white vs white racism
Plus carlygirls post is in no way racist. you can't have racism when one white person says I don't want another white person to come here.
Xenophobic maybe, but not racism, but hey ho like I said in another post, the left throw racism round to the point it means nothing
FionaKabuki pete bloggs
28 January 2013 12:45pm
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@pete bloggs – Well that is fair enough, if you confine the concept of race to "colour". I don't. Race is socially constructed, as is easily seen if you consider the fact that what you look like is never enough in racist states: the status of your great grandmother twice removed counts as well.
But if you are unhappy with the word used in that way, let me give you that and you can substitute any other word you fancy: xenophobia will do if that is what you prefer.
Whatever you call it, it stinks
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HughManatee
28 January 2013 12:59am
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Just tell them we're full up and fed up. Much as Britons root for the underdog, we don't want to see the majority head straight for the nearest DSS office, sadly I expect the majority will do just that and spoil it for the few who want to work and integrate. Why the fuck can't we just keep out the bad apples – whose country is it anyway? Not mine any more, that's for sure.
diddoit HughManatee
28 January 2013 1:15am
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The government could change the rules on qualifying for entitlements for other EU citizens, but then who could the Sun use in its sensationalist stories bashing the EU?
philipphilip99
28 January 2013 1:06am
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Come to Britain – where only your spare kidney will be made to feel welcome.
pete bloggs
28 January 2013 1:10am
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Ask yourself why Labour are in opposition and the Guardian sales are in free fall? Guardian readers might like immigration, the country does not. Whether it is white EU immigration or non white non EU immigration the population outside the Guardian world doesn't want it.
Labour are today 6 points ahead when the country is in this state.
If you think Labour are getting a majority in 2015 then you're living in a dream world, oppositions in the past like Foot against Thatcher were 20 points ahead at the half way stage and still lost, now look at the 6 point lead with joy.
People have woke up and realized that Labour don't stand up for the working class any more, the only thing they promote is mass immigration and benefits. which aren't exactly election winners
Milliband looks like a nerd, he has no charisma and has been put in place to recover from the disaster of Blair and Brown. It just won't happen.
NTEightySix
28 January 2013 1:10am
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Jesus Christ, I just read the report and am laughing so hard at the moment. There's rarely a dull moment in the Westminster bubble but this just takes the cake. Regardless of how tentative the plans are, it sounds like something straight out of The Thick of It. Which SpAd or lowly Whitehall civil servant mooted this to the ministers?
Imagine a travel agent deliberately printing brochures all that is rubbish about holiday destinations.
Then talking up the loveliest places in Romania and Bulgaria as way for those nationals to stay there. So much for the Conservatives and their patriotism for Britain.
FionaKabuki
28 January 2013 1:13am
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Which SpAd or lowly Whitehall civil servant mooted this to the ministers?
You really believe it more likely this came from one of those than from Theresa May, or someone like her? Really?
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Stinkerbot
28 January 2013 1:15am
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I'll take the Daily Mail approach – why don't we just stop them coming in the first place???
pete bloggs Stinkerbot
28 January 2013 1:21am
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Maybe because we can't, that's what being part of the EU and the free movement of people within the EU means.
It used to be the free movement of workers but the 'worker' bit seems to have vanished.
CaptainJackHackett
28 January 2013 1:16am
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This is one of Charlie Brooker's best ones yet! Well done, and so crookedly satirical!
(What do you mean, that wasn't the Charlie Brooker Monday article?)
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luckyduck
28 January 2013 1:18am
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"Dont cry for me Graet Britain" ….not argentina ..
Why cant we just MAKE our own countries example societies …so Romania, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. SEE the benefits of good governance …and sort their own national issues.
Here in Australia we now await the next wave of Sri Lankans, Karen rebels Syria et al …the losers of all the civil wars ……WHY do we have our idiotic politicians playing GODS strutting the UN stage …for the citizens it is INDEED a thankless task. We have the highest percentage of immigration/refugees among the western world …and we are SICK of it.
Our ABC untired and undiminished continues the harangue us about the miseries in the refugee camps – endlessly on their social programming task….bugger the locals !!!
Emil Oprisa luckyduck
28 January 2013 2:02am
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Christo99
28 January 2013 1:27am
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The largest immigrant, refugee intake countries are those nearest conflict. It is shameful to claim that name fir any developed country when its the poorest coping with millions fleeing war etc
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Alexxe
28 January 2013 1:28am
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Why doesn't the government just be honest and run ads that say:
'We don't want you here.'
Things that make you go hmmm….
Xenophobia as public policy. Interesting.
pete bloggs Alexxe
28 January 2013 1:31am
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Is Xenophobia a new word for common sense? Only the raving loons on the left call for more low skilled poorly educated people to come to country when we already have over 2 million unemployed.
ROFLMFAO pete bloggs
28 January 2013 1:42am
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@pete bloggs – actually I heard that the average immigrant is more likely to hold a degree than the average national so you might want to adjust your argument slightly.
Maybe just say, I hate foreigners. No point in beating about the bush.
The reality is that Tories just hate everybody.
pete bloggs ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 2:00am
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@ROFLMFAO –
You heard wrong then. and saying 'actually I heard' is no argument at all outside of the loony left
ROFLMFAO pete bloggs
28 January 2013 2:16am
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@pete bloggs – I'm right and you're wrong, hahaha 🙂
http://www.theworkfoundation.com/DownloadPublication/Report/315_Simply%20the%20Best%20TWF%20format.pdf
(from ONS data)
"Immigrants are significantly more likely than UK-born workers to hold a degree level or equivalent qualification with 38% holding a degree in 2008 compared to 18% of the UK born population (Nickell and
Salheen, 2011). The figures are even higher for new and recent migrants with 46% of these groups possessing a degree or equivalent qualification (Nickell and Salheen, 2011)."
pete bloggs ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 2:52am
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@ROFLMFAO –
Well if it's anything like this country they'll be worthless degrees in sociology.
Plus those will only be the ones here legally, what about the ones hiding in the back of trucks who can't speak a word of the Queens?
Are they skilled? Do they have degrees?
Estimated 1 million illegals in the UK and according to the Left wing lover, the BBC, the only thing our police can say to these illegals is 'are you happy staying in the UK or do you want to leave?'
jochebed1 ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 4:57am
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@ROFLMFAO –
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@pete bloggs – actually I heard that the average immigrant is more likely to hold a degree than the average national so you might want to adjust your argument slightly.
Maybe just say, I hate foreigners. No point in beating about the bush.
The reality is that Tories just hate everybody.
Trust the Brits to mess up the adverts and turn them into gibberish – neither Romanian nor Bulgarian are as easy as you think.
pete bloggs
28 January 2013 1:28am
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We should be banning anyone from coming here if they aren't highly skilled in areas where we need people.
We certainly don't need any more low skilled, poorly educated people who can't speak English very well or at all coming here, we have enough of those seeking jobs already.
We're taxed to death as it is without adding to the burden and putting pressure on Schools, the NHS, Housing and Benefits
missingacademic
28 January 2013 1:32am
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do they assume that brits wont move to the balkans? they are bloody everywhere…
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28 January 2013 1:32am
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Colcutt
28 January 2013 1:33am
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Just tell them about the Secret Police Courts (http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jan/28/andrew-tyrie-secret-courts-bill) – that should do the trick.
pete bloggs Colcutt
28 January 2013 1:40am
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Or maybe show them a Muslim patrol video, that will show them how warm and welcoming modern Britain is.
ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 1:36am
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"Ministers consider launching negative ad campaign in two countries to persuade potential immigrants to stay away from UK"
Lol, you couldn't make it up could you!
Christ our politicians are full of bollox.
If they're looking for ideas how about a picture of Boris Johnson, Seb Coe and Osborne all having a jolly old Tory chuckle together about the pathetic Oiks?
That should do the trick.
Dolefinger
28 January 2013 1:41am
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How about patrolling our borders properly, instead of letting in pretty much anyone, to create conflict and division to distract us, while you rob us all blind?
If we could keep Hitler out, these folks shouldn't be a problem really, should they?
I will laugh when the children of those that have served the Marxists are thrown on the scrapheap for being hideously White, while Tibor and pals grab all the government jobs.
It is the future you chose.
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FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 1:42am
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Things must be pretty screwed up in Romania & Bulgaria, I mean why would anyone want to live in Britain, benefits are a lame excuse. No one gets rich with benefits, there must be something else.
The ads thing sounds rather ridiculous," dont go to the UK, brits have rotten teeth & smell bad" sort of thing? pleeease, what a joke
nanader FlorAntartica
28 January 2013 2:37am
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I guess it's just down to the fact that the savings you make off your work in UK are worth a lot when you are in Romania. If you saved up in Romania, you would save a pittance when you convert it into pounds sterling. The standard of living is actually not that greatly different.
LiberalinCalif
28 January 2013 1:45am
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"Study Shows 63% of Bulgarians Live in Poverty"
"According to data of the Confederation of Independent Syndicates in Bulgaria, KNSB, the country has the lowest minimum monthly wage, the lowest average wage while the 12% unemployment rate is above the European average."
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=147140
Looks like there is quite a bit of incentive to go somewhere else. Maybe not Britain necessarily though .
Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 1:48am
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@pilgrim98 Crime won't increase much as criminals are already there. It's just the ones that want to work that are impeded. This whole EU is a joke. We're EU just because your companies wanted another market and some cheap intra-community labor. Bunch of hypocrites.
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ks009746
28 January 2013 2:02am
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We certainly need more controls on immigration- we are one of the most overcrowded nations in the world and cannot sustain this level of influx infinitely. I do not see why they cannot just direct immigrants to places where they are most needed, instead of being concentrated in the most built-up areas? Seeing as many smaller offshore islands are losing people by the decade as young people seek work and graduation elsewhere, there are sure to be gaps where staff are needed.
I am not entirely opposed to immigration though- if British people complain about losing out on low-paid jobs to immigrants, then I'm sorry, but if someone who cannot speak clear English outcompetes you for a job then you need to look at your communication skills.
I do think immigrants who commit crimes (not non-crimes that are classed as such like drug use, though) should be deported. I think it is reasonable that if you decide to live over here it should be on the condition that you obey the law.
ROFLMFAO ks009746
28 January 2013 2:06am
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Not to worry, we have at least 10 more years of austerity ahead of us and declining living standards for years to come thereafter.
In 20 or 30 years we'll all be packing our bags and heading East for factory jobs making Nike trainers for the Chinese youth.
amrit ks009746
28 January 2013 2:10am
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<I think it is reasonable that if you decide to live over here it should be on the condition that you obey the law.
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In USA when they interview for naturalization (having checked police records etc) they also ask about any traffic violation since police check up. Idea is to see that person is capable of good thinking and would obey the laws.
INserTcOin ks009746
28 January 2013 9:12am
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We certainly need more controls on immigration
…
Why you forgot to say that when P&G Henkel J&J BP were going after a kill in Eastern Europe? Great chance to buy factories for pennies and easily win monopoly of their domestic markets.
So tell me something.. is the immigrants 'harm' to UK comparable to whole society buyout for pennies? That's what the West companies did after the fall of the curtain and entering the EU.
Once you get in bed with someone, its natural for positions to change.
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ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 2:03am
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Not all Romanians are Gypsies, some of them are Vampires – has anybody stopped for one moment to consider the dire implications of that !?
lastsocialist ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 2:28am
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How will Vampire immigrants fare in a country like the UK which is largely comprised of Zombies (in the East Midlands at least)?
Wellesz lastsocialist
28 January 2013 2:33am
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@lastsocialist – ir opens up the possibility of all sorts for films
Vampire brides of Zombies
Zombie Brides of Vampires
The war of the Vampires and Zombies
Children of Vampire- Zombies etc etc etc
Hammer will have a field day.
Wellesz ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 2:34am
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A run on the blood banks ?
Wellesz ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 2:35am
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A run on the blood banks !
Emil Oprisa ROFLMFAO
28 January 2013 2:51am
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Funny you should say that since it's a brit that came up with the whole Dracula and vampires myth…
lastsocialist Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 3:01am
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@Emil Oprisa – Bram Stoker, innit.
ROFLMFAO Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 3:02am
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@Emil Oprisa – what do you mean by "myth" ?
amrit
28 January 2013 2:05am
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Negative impression of UK might drive away or turn away genuine visitors and also some people who want to invest in UK.
Sensible thing would be to restrict the movement of people from EU for employment purpose.
This also tell us another thing that the problem about citizenship is not directly related to immigration. One has to reside in UK for 5 years before one applies for naturalization process and then it takes about 2 years or so assuming home office does not lose your application.
Where as immigration immediately put immigrant to be in competition with UK national for a british job. That is the real worry of British People and UK government needs to address this within EU.
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luckyduck
28 January 2013 2:18am
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Ahh mr Oprisa …another English flagellant ….pommy clown ..we dont want a huge population …I like it like it is…why cant I keep it like this ?…no more damn weak kneed English either ….too much kneeling to the EU ..you are losing your identity.
I was saddened to hear John Cleese say he "didnt like to go to London – it just isnt England anymore" …..last time he was in Sydney.
Last time I was in London I could have been variously in the Congo, Saudi Arabia or Poland …the pubs were empty…the cheer was gone. Last time I was in Florida I went to the Immigration Dept in Miami …I was actually directed to the Haitian embassy to get the right papers for a visa extension by a policeman holding back HORDs of Haitians and various similar.
THATS what I call out of control borders !!! I dont want that for here …!!!!!
Emil Oprisa luckyduck
28 January 2013 2:37am
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The cheer was gone? That's your argument? People are dying of hunger and its mostly the effect of centuries of enslavement and robbery by your beloved "western world" so stop you whining and see how you can help those less fortunate.
JaneThomas Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 2:56am
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@Emil Oprisa – Good on to you Emil!!
pete bloggs Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 3:05am
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luckyduck JaneThomas
28 January 2013 3:10am
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INserTcOin luckyduck
28 January 2013 9:15am
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Why you forgot to say that when P&G Henkel J&J BP were going after a kill in Eastern Europe? Great chance to buy factories for pennies and easily win monopoly of their domestic markets.
So tell me something.. is the immigrants 'harm' to UK comparable to whole society buyout for pennies? That's what the West companies did after the fall of the curtain and entering the EU.
Once you get in bed with someone, its natural for positions to change.
JaneThomas
28 January 2013 2:20am
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Britain and the Guardian have recently celebrated the release of the another James Bond film, along with its premiere featuring Prince Charles and his wife congratualting the actors for their nauseus portrayal of everything British. Despite being a pathetic adolescent fantasy, Britons still believe in its ridiculous patriotism and comic portrayal of the baddie other whether these be Arab, Russian, Eastern European, African (I can see a pattern here) etc.. -This false belief is why they have lost two wars in the past decade- believing their own publicists. So why wouldn't Romanians or Bulgarians think any differently?
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JaneThomas
28 January 2013 2:22am
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Never let it be said again in on CiF that Australians are more racist than the British!
missing yet again JaneThomas
28 January 2013 2:27am
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Why would that be?
We aren't letting them die at sea.
pete bloggs JaneThomas
28 January 2013 2:32am
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Australia has a right to it's immigration policy.
If it doesn't want to let low skilled poorly educated people into the country then who the hell are you to say otherwise?
JaneThomas missing yet again
28 January 2013 2:34am
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@missing yet again – You have missed the fact that Romanians and Bulgarians are a part of the European Union. It is the Union part that you have missed. The British a great at going about the EU speculating on property but decry others from the EU joining them. Most of the immigration that is complained about in Britain is the result of British colonialism. Get over it!
lastsocialist JaneThomas
28 January 2013 2:40am
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In the current economic climate, and with immigration at absurd levels, now is probably the right time for a tiny bit of 'racism' if that means restoring the self-respect and territorial integrity of this nation.
JaneThomas pete bloggs
28 January 2013 2:42am
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@pete bloggs – Aren't you lucky that you were born in Australia and not as a Tamil in Sri Lanka or an Afghani or an Iraqi or any of the other places where Australia has heped to make war or support it? You won the lottery and its bad luck for everyone else.
missing yet again JaneThomas
28 January 2013 2:51am
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@JaneThomas – Barking up the wrong tree.
I was pointing out Australia cannot give the UK any lectures on immigration.
JaneThomas missing yet again
28 January 2013 2:54am
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@missing yet again – And I was pointing out that, judging by the comments on this article, that the British cannot lecture the Australians on racism as they are both racist.
JaneThomas lastsocialist
28 January 2013 2:55am
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@lastsocialist –
a tiny bit of racism
???
As long as you are not the target?
pete bloggs JaneThomas
28 January 2013 2:59am
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@JaneThomas –
The term 'Racist' means nothing in the modern day, the left throw it around like a Frisbee to the point that it goes in one ear and out of the other.
But if it makes you feel better then fire away 🙂
lastsocialist JaneThomas
28 January 2013 3:00am
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@JaneThomas – I don't care whether I am the target or not. In any case, every racial majority or minority harbours prejudice of some kind or another and for naive liberals to pretend otherwise is just pure idiocy. The same holds true at an individual level, of course, as we all hold prejudices of some kind. This kum-bah-yah world that the BBC etc. wants us to live in simply does not exist and some very nasty people in Europe and beyond will take advantage of our great naivety – as the Islamists have been doing for decades. There have to be limits to toleration and we need to start re-establishing the boundaries right now.
JaneThomas pete bloggs
28 January 2013 3:04am
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@pete bloggs – The term racist is one that describes a view of racializing another human being for the colour of their skin, or their ancestry. Tell someone who is Jewish that racism means nothing in the modern day.
It only means nothing if you are white, and your ears are definitely white.
JaneThomas lastsocialist
28 January 2013 3:05am
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@lastsocialist – Tell me all about it when you are locked inside an immigration detention centre.
lastsocialist JaneThomas
28 January 2013 3:10am
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pete bloggs JaneThomas
28 January 2013 3:14am
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birney JaneThomas
28 January 2013 12:12pm
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@JaneThomas – we colonised eastern europe?when
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Wellesz
28 January 2013 2:30am
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The citizen test should be given to the Brits and those who fail should be sent to Bulgaria on a 1 for 1 swap.
pete bloggs Wellesz
28 January 2013 2:33am
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Maybe we should send the looney left on a one for one basis, they love the EU and they love immigrants
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28 January 2013 2:34am
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lastsocialist
28 January 2013 2:38am
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The UK has to go down as one of the stupidest countries in world history. This kind of deliberate cultural and economic suicide through uncontrolled mass immigration is really quite something to behold. We don't need hundreds of thousands of unskilled Bulgarians etc. here when we can't even provide jobs for people whose families have been here for centuries. Why not introduce a points system as they have in Australia ffs? The only people who truly benefit from immigration on this scale are capitalists who wish to suppress domestic wages. The elites who remain in favour of the continued destruction of our borders are the willing lackeys of a pernicious form of globalisation that pretends to embrace all peoples in the name of common humanity while destroying the mechanisms in place to protect the rights of (indigenous) workers. Now is the right time for a return to old fashioned nationalism for the sake of ordinary working people in this country.
JaneThomas lastsocialist
28 January 2013 2:58am
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Now is the right time for a return to old fashioned nationalism for the sake of ordinary working people in this country.
National socialism? I don't think that worked out so well last time.
lastsocialist JaneThomas
28 January 2013 3:04am
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@JaneThomas – Not really 'national socialism' but Socialist Nationalism lol. Maintaining control of your borders like any rational country should (e.g. Canada or Australia) can hardly be equated with murdering six million Jews,or maybe you only think in terms of either/or and cannot see that there are shades of things…
JaneThomas lastsocialist
28 January 2013 3:05am
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@lastsocialist – I can see your colours quite clearly.
lastsocialist JaneThomas
28 January 2013 3:09am
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@JaneThomas – If you think that killing six million Jews is equivalent to introducing a points system for potential immigrants as they have in Canada and Australia then you really need your head examined. Anyway, you're good for a laugh.
INserTcOin lastsocialist
28 January 2013 9:21am
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Why not introduce a points system as they have in Australia ffs?
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED MATE.
you forgot to say that when P&G Henkel J&J BP were going after a kill in Eastern Europe? Great chance to buy factories for pennies and easily win monopoly of their domestic markets.
So tell me something.. is the immigrants 'harm' to UK comparable to whole society buyout for pennies? That's what the West companies did after the fall of the curtain and entering the EU.
Once you get in bed with someone, its natural for positions to change.
INserTcOin lastsocialist
28 January 2013 9:22am
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@lastsocialist – YOU CANT STOP EU CITIZENS COMING TO UK.
GET OVER IT.
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BillBarilko
28 January 2013 2:39am
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Let them come-after 6 months or so they'll run screaming back from whence they came.
lastsocialist BillBarilko
28 January 2013 2:46am
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I doubt it. We already have a couple hundred thousand Poles here and, efficient though they may be, they have no intention of leaving. The jobs taken by our Eastern European friends should have gone to the long-term unemployed of this country – unemployed Asians in Birmingham or the despised youth of Tottenham for example. Remember that these porous borders and global economy are primarily for the benefit of international capitalist financiers and not ordinary people who now find life a great struggle.
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dogonastring
28 January 2013 2:43am
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christ…all you miserable, insular lot that keep saying that Britian not allowing in foreigners is racist are fools. It's not racism, it's simply a country doing what every other country in the world does. There is nothing racist or wrong with a country putting limits on who and when they let in. It is not their fault who was born where and who is from which hellish country. Canada has horrifically strict immigration laws, constantly denying people and they are never seen as racist, just sensible. Britain kept the pound so I'm sure they can differ from the rest of the EU with immigration laws.
lastsocialist dogonastring
28 January 2013 2:55am
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JaneThomas dogonastring
28 January 2013 3:01am
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all you miserable, insular lot that keep saying that Britian not allowing in foreigners is racist are fools.
Thinking like a racist is insular.
Britain is reaping what it has sown.
pete bloggs JaneThomas
28 January 2013 4:01am
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@JaneThomas –
You sound like a racist to me, racist against white people.
fr0mn0where
28 January 2013 2:44am
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Tories plan adverts saying how crap the UK is! Welll they should know?
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luckyduck
28 January 2013 2:48am
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The "lastsocialist" contribution is 100% correct …look at whats happening to our cousins in the USA …13million "illegals" and they are so dependent on this cheap labour base they cant rid themselves of the chronic wage suppression effect …..when they grant citizenship they STILL wont close their borders and it will be a cycle without end. Like "gun control" like "immigration control" their capitalism has addicted them …always squeezing the last drop ….making everypleasure cost till it becomes a marginal excercise.
Until we become nationalistic and experiment bravely with better ways to live ourselves, and deal with the BIG problems like climate change and sustainable development the human race a apoor prognosis. We cant fix the rest of the world ourselves …we ourselves are in every way NOT managing …!! To wit the global financial crisis …..
INserTcOin luckyduck
28 January 2013 9:26am
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.look at whats happening to our COUSINS in the USA …13million "illegals"
I think you will find that the illegals are probably more entitled to be there actually. How can anyone be illegal in America? These last stands of the white anglo-saxon brigade are just that.. last.
They failed to stop Obama being reelected.
The world is changing.
England is going to beg the EU in few years time to join the Euro club.
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luckyduck
28 January 2013 2:58am
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Good popint Mr Oprisa …we should NEVER have gone into Afghan/Iraq …and now Libya is going to be problematic.
More drones ….surgical strikes…no wasted young lives.
Population re-programming has to be done BY the dinizens FOR the citizens. And that Karsi guy in the bathrobes ? His brother is the biggest drug dealer in the 'stans ….
Emil Oprisa luckyduck
28 January 2013 3:21am
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You see, again this is the problem. You're only seeing your plate. You say more drones…no wasted young lives…well there are wasted lives on the receiving end of those missiles. And there is no such thing as surgical strikes. You can make sure it hits what you want but you may have bad info on what it is. You may think it is a leadership hideout but instead you bomb a kindergarden or hospital. War is a bloody affair, always was and always will be. Look at the number of Iraqi civilian casualties in the last war…
luckyduck Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 3:37am
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@Emil Oprisa – I totally agree ..however I guess I should have said that if they bomb us …then we bomb them flat …..if they want to damage us then their are consequences..if they harbour such as AlQueda then there are consequences. They have the responsibilitiy to keep their peace – and develope the way they want to …but then NOT to demand our medicines and technologies as if they have a right to them…..
Take the anti-biotic crisis …poor little sods in the slums of Mumbai take half a course and sell the balance …they got the rights to manuf cheap generics, …and now ? We many face enormous disease threats ….we are not much better I hear you say ? Correct …but our clinicians have given up …what the hell they say …we are doomed anyway …
Emil Oprisa luckyduck
28 January 2013 3:50am
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@luckyduck – There is a principle called proportionality. You don't "bomb them flat" and you don't bomb them based on no concrete evidence. There was no Al Quaeda before they created it. In his wildest dreams Osama couldn't have done as much to recruit and fund terrorists as we have done by going in an killing and humiliating the locals.
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28 January 2013 3:04am
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lastsocialist
28 January 2013 3:06am
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Would you be willing to invite 2 million Romanians and Bulgarians into your home? Maybe we should ask the Windsors to house these people as they seem to have lots of taxpayer funded pads all over the country.
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Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 3:13am
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No one forced the United Kingdom to join the European Union and no one forced the European Union to admit Romania and Bulgaria. Having said that, if you are and if you did please do not treat us like second hand citizens. We are not from Marocco or Indonesia. This is a right that all other members enjoy. We should too.
USExpat2011 Emil Oprisa
28 January 2013 4:29am
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madness7
28 January 2013 3:19am
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……such a negative advert would "correct the impression that the streets here are paved with gold".
Allow me to confirm that the pavements are crumbling and cracking up with just as many potholes as the roads, the infrastructure is well and truly goosed.. Even in the more "prosperous" parts of the cities but plenty of cafes and bars where you can sit outside and watch people drink lattes as if it were all hunkyfukkin dorey .. Welcome ! I may even have a spare bedroom for you if I get laid off..
sandgrinder
28 January 2013 3:35am
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The plan, which would focus on the downsides of British life, is one of a range of potential measures to stem immigration to Britain next year when curbs imposed on both country's citizens living and working in the UK will expire.
A report over the weekend quoted one minister saying that such a negative advert would "correct the impression that the streets here are paved with gold".
What new madness is this!?
The government will never ever be able to counteract the positive propaganda from the likes of the Daily Mail and the Sun.
The independent press in this country has had a greater reach than any government advert will ever have.
Choose to take on the Telegraph; the Express et al if you wish Mr Un-named Minister but the thirty years (+) of them advertising this country as one in which "the streets are paved as gold" for anyone who chances to come here will not be countered by a few HMG Health Warnings.
PUBLIC RELATIONS WARNING:
"UK Is Shit Warnings" can put off your favoured investors … try not to 'officially' put the country down whilst you slag your own country off.
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28 January 2013 3:44am
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Senzen
28 January 2013 3:51am
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Flatliner economy… Women abducted into prostitution… Natives ready to blame it all on foreigners… But yeah, talk about the weather…
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USExpat2011
28 January 2013 4:31am
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Why would they come for jobs? Free housing, welfare, job seekers allowance and health care, they do not need jobs. Well deserved UK.
jamesk95 USExpat2011
28 January 2013 5:43am
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The idea that Eastern European migrants are ignoring Germany, Scandinavia and the low countries and coming here for our benefits system is utterly bonkers.
The statistics just don't back this kind of nonsense up.
hootrooster
28 January 2013 4:42am
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A great basis for a new comedy: The anti-Britain ads are mistakenly run in tourism markets while the "visit Britain" ads make it to Romania, Bulgaria, etc.
SilkySam
28 January 2013 5:26am
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If i was a foreigner i wouldn’t want to come here,the country is run by rich Mafia ripping off their own people,a barbaric place as for benefits,we can’t get them,far better off going to Scandinavia,which they do,England,no,no,too bad,too mean they say.
jimjam8
28 January 2013 5:31am
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The Nasty Party are proud of their achievement in turning GB into a third world country where a rich elite despise the the ever more bitter and desperate masses. Truly, coonervatism has reached it's pinnacle! Divisive, spiteful and nasty, it preaches "greed is great" and "fair is foul" The elite come from wealthy womens legs and the poor should remember their place is to serve "US!' We used to be proud of our country…now, like N Korea, the media and politics are run by the elite and we try to keep everyone away – we don't want the populace getting ideas, do we! We love ~Kim Il Murdoch! and Dim son Cameron! F*ck the People! – F*ck the People!
Waraqah
28 January 2013 5:32am
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Have I overslept and it's really April 1st? The first two stories I read this morning were this and one about the Government testing would-be immigrants on Monty Python!
Please tell I'm still dreaming and my alarm will go off in a minute!
Seriously, you couldn't make it up.
shan164
28 January 2013 5:33am
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Well, this message on the cliffs at Dover should do the trick then …
http://c1005.r5.cf3.rackcdn.com/2010/07/contaminated-keep-out.jpg
http://bestforfilm.com/dvd-reviews/horror-dvd-reviews/save-the-uk-film-council-28-weeks-later-dvd-review/
ThorDoomhammer
28 January 2013 5:34am
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I doubt I'm the only person if shown an advert telling me not to do something would immediately do it just to see what would happen.
yohodi
28 January 2013 5:43am
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Check for yourselves Romanian average monthly income……..
nortonfulgate
28 January 2013 5:44am
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The BBC already run advertising on their world service warning potential immigrants to stay away from the UK. More evidence that the BBC is simply a state propaganda tool and little else.
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bloggsie45
28 January 2013 5:51am
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I first left the UK nearly 50 years ago and have had a couple of return visits for a year in 1984 and one of 4 months in 2009.
My observations are:-
The country is riven with class distinctions and hatreds.
The big cities are filthy dirty.
The tap water intended for drinking absolutely stinks, universally, of chlorine.
Air polution in the south-east is so bad you never see a real blue sky.
The food available to the less well off is virtually nutrient free, saturated with sugar, badly overcooked and utterly tasteless.
Food for the better off is much better but is extremely expensive.
Housing and domestic energy are both very expensive.
Public transport in rural England is now nearly non-existant, but Scotland is much better served.
Winter lasts about 5 or 6 months of the year, particularly in the North.
The whole country is awash with soft drugs, very cheap, uncontrolled, and universally available alcohol being the main problem.
The natives are an unfriendly and surly lot.
Successive governments have proven themselves to be completely incompetant, waste umpteen billions on vanity projects and wars.
Democracy is a mirage in Britain.
The level of tax is horrendous, and at the end of a working life the State Pension is only just sufficient to exist on.
Better stop there before I get stuck into the inequalities of the education and health systems.
I'm so relieved I left the nasty little hole.
mtn74 bloggsie45
28 January 2013 6:17am
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yes, it gets more depressing if you continue the list, sad but true. I left at about the age of 20, have dropped back punctually to see aging parents….its a real hell hole of a place, with a few notable exceptions. However, the average foreigners view is heavily influenced by the days of Empire and perhaps up to the swinging 60s, the Beatles, world cup et el…..but modern Britain could(nt be further away from those days.
It sounds like a Dailymail line, but you find the "best of British culture" overseas, with the notable exception of Spain….
FOARP bloggsie45
28 January 2013 6:52am
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I left in 2003, was back in 2007-2009, and regularly visit. Britain is beautiful country with scenery rivalling that found anywhere in Europe. London is a city the match of Tokyo and New York, though I can't say much for the rest of our cities. We have an undeniable sullen standard of service, although compared to the forced cheerfulness found in the US and the somewhat slavish attitude found in Japan and China, this can be refreshing direct and honest.
Basically, I don't recognise the country you guys are talking about, and I think we're just seeing another couple of examples of the miserable expat Failed In London Try Hongkong syndrome.
Thalia1 FOARP
28 January 2013 12:43pm
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@FOARP – I haven't failed in London – I just want to get the hell out of it. Fed up with being assaulted, threatened and mugged this last six years. Then all the beggars and chuggers target me because I'm a small middle aged woman who looks like a teacher.
Tax, utilities and transport sky high, no way to save and no pension.
Just not sure where to go.
Somewhere sunny would be nice, by the sea, but not Auz or NZ, too far.
OUTRAGEDfromleeds
28 January 2013 5:52am
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Yes because rain and limited jobs trump large scale corruption and horrendous healthcare. What an utterly depressing idea.
Wouldn't the money be better spend raising the public image of the UK to people living in the UK ?
I doubt many starving future migrants are reading Zagat reports before deciding on where to try and find a job.
andymaclfb
28 January 2013 6:14am
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Only just over two and a half years since the last Labour government. So UK PLC not fit for purpose yet.
That should keep em out.
BGinNYC
28 January 2013 6:15am
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"Our government is comprised of bigots and idiots" might work better as a turn off to the potential immigrants.
heraclesblack
28 January 2013 6:24am
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I think they just need to be told that the British don't like foreigners! They won't accept the class distinctions that the British love.
heraclesblack
28 January 2013 6:27am
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The British Council must stop telling students abroad that they can work for a year in the UK if they go to a British university. That creates all sorts of horrible misconceptions
IanInOz
28 January 2013 6:29am
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godsend
28 January 2013 6:31am
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You mean that they are actually going to tell the truth about the state of the Country?
So it's not "Jerusalem" after all then.
Paganview
28 January 2013 6:50am
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Britain,it's shit if you work and pay tax.However,if you arrive as an immigrant and claim you're self employed,you can claim benefits from day one,Britain is fantastic!
godsend
28 January 2013 6:54am
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The Daily Malestrom has an article saying that North Koreans are turning to Cannibalism to satisfy their Hunger.
Perhaps that's what you should do in England.
Eat the Immigrants. That would put them off coming!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2269094/North-Korean-parents-eat-children-driven-mad-hunger-famine-
MissVale
28 January 2013 6:58am
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What is the point of a market economy, if not getting the best value for your money for the labour you employ?! Ask any businessman what they think of this propaganda.
Arent migrants spending most of their money (due to high cost of living) in UK boosting the local economy? Isn`t it a fact locals just would not undertake certain jobs at the current employment conditions? Isn`t it a fact that limiting future migration does not tackle the propblem of the millions currently exploiting the benefits system.
Its time people stopped poinitng fingers. Start to use your gray matter and think critically.
I wonder who exactly is going to finance this campaign, oh wait, its all of us- the taxpayers!
ThermoStat
28 January 2013 7:04am
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Hopefully they really won't be this stupid.
Ten seconds after such an ad airs in Bulgaria it will be on youtube, with an English translation following soon after.
We'd instantly become the laughing stock of the entire world.
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surpluspop1
28 January 2013 7:07am
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This country's worst fault is it's appalling, hypocritical self serving governments – NuLabour as well as ConDem. It's next worst fault is the fact that it's people are so gullible as to believe the lies peddled by the press. I doubt very much that any pathetic propaganda will prevent immigrants coming here – most will be economic migrants willing to work for low wages and the rights to claim child benefit for the kids back home; EU rules say we must permit this so there is bugger all anyone can do.
If I was contemplating coming her I'd think again – no NHS, no welfare state, top education only for the wealthiest and an obscenely high cost of living. But it's ok if you're the Beckhams for example.
spinneroo surpluspop1
28 January 2013 7:56am
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perhaps you should think about going to Romania?
Ribena
28 January 2013 7:09am
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Presumably, the current government will be featuring quite heavily in the advert.
"Britain: It might be alright now, but by the time we've finished with it, you won't even want to come here on holiday."
Anyway, surely this is just an unused plot idea from The Thick of It. Rejected for being too unbelievable.
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mitchellkiwi
28 January 2013 7:11am
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A possible solution to this irritation which many feel over immigration, and it is an EU problem, would be for the EU to fund support for such immigration, in terms of education, housing, healthcare, social security and investment in job promotion, which goes directly into the community in which migrants settle.
The possiblilty for migration within the EU is perceived as a good (by the EU) and hence should be promoted as such by inward investment.
spinneroo mitchellkiwi
28 January 2013 7:55am
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game set and match I'd say-if the EU thinks it's good, there's no more to be said on the matter.
grabme
28 January 2013 7:14am
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Why you pick on us Romanians and Bulgarians when we simplee want come to the Great Britain to earn lots of benefits and help your country prosper? I will bring large family and live in your council house that British do not want and look for well paid job and get income support in meantime.
I hear there is great transport system, cost of living good and plenty free hospital and schooling. Cannot wait to enjoy UK, this EU thing is life saver.
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woodengravy
28 January 2013 7:14am
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I have lived & worked in Romania, that country is ok provided one has a job. Yes there are some very poor peasants living there but they will not be coming to the UK because they cannot afford the fare. As for Gypsies, they have never been bothered about what is legal and what is not, they won't worry about it now.
Compared to Romania, the UK is very expensive, and contrary to all the rubbish spouted in the tabloids, Romanians are not entitled to JSA unless they have paid the required number of stamps. As for the NHS, take a child to hospital in Romania & s/he will be seen by a doctor within ten minuites, an adult may have to wait twenty five.
pedwarpimp woodengravy
28 January 2013 8:00am
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I thought the big issues sellers were from romania
woodengravy pedwarpimp
28 January 2013 8:15am
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@pedwarpimp – Those are Gypsies not Romanians, it's easy to tell them apart because the former are a brown people whose ancestors lived in India, whilst the latter are a white people whose ancestors lived in Romania.
If you do come across a white Romanian speaking Big Issue Seller, s/he is most probably an ethnic Romanian from Moldova, or Ukraine.
birney woodengravy
28 January 2013 12:28pm
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@woodengravy – surely Romanian Roma are fully Romanian too why would the British distinguish between them, it is racist to do so especially on the grounds of skin colour
browntrout
28 January 2013 7:16am
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Instead of painting the UK in a negative light, the government should adopt a South Park-inspired policy of talking up France/Germany/wherever.
goodnightingale
28 January 2013 7:17am
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Maybe the handsome Nigel Farage is the poster boy for this campaign? The 21st century's answer to Norman Tebbit
Rusty Bolden
28 January 2013 7:20am
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people will come to UK if they can find JOBS cause else it`s 1.000 EURO/month to stay in London. after 7 years of waiting, blocking the lifting of restrictions for the 2 countries would be like Asange x 29 million + EU.
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MariaTodorovA
28 January 2013 7:23am
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I hold Bachelor degree in PR, Master degree in Journalism and one more Master degree from a military academy which is 100 years old. I have sustainable practical experience within multicultural environment. i speak English fluently, I have good knowledge in Serbian and German as well. I am successful as a mother, I do my housework all alone, I work hard, read Nietzsche, Huntington, Brzezinski, Pushkin and Vazov. I have been achieving all this in the last 30 years, and I have been Bulgarian for 1 332 years. No humiliation could reach me beyond the periphery of the routine, because I know I am serving usfully to the only place I would belong to. My Bulgaria. My destiny. My bitter Paradise, wherein I may not be privileged to emerge from, but wherein I can be value adding and happy. Wishing you all a wonderful day & week ahead.
ivanpope MariaTodorovA
28 January 2013 8:38am
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Look! Fluent English! Amazing.
CandidaAlbicans MariaTodorovA
28 January 2013 8:45am
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Yeah yeah, very impressive, but do you know about Monty Python or Fawlty Towers? 😉
Ceco Bozhkov
28 January 2013 7:29am
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rofocal
28 January 2013 7:32am
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Its grey cold and miserable 11 months a year and it took 8.92 billion quid just to get the nation happy for the one month of good weather last year.
kathy999
28 January 2013 7:37am
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Bring it on, especially in Scotland. It's great news for the independence campaign. And might help the working class in England and Wales get rid of the effing Tories.
grubbedout
28 January 2013 7:39am
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Please don't come to Britain – it rains and the jobs are scarce and low-paid.
At last, the truth!!!
MariaTodorovA
28 January 2013 7:40am
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P.S. If any foreign country was able to attract and afford me on the level already achieved, I would consider to relocate NOT as a dish washer, and in case it cannot, I need not compromise with the level I've climbed to, all by myself, so far. And in case I host a dinner for some of you or you invite me to a dinner, I will not mind to wash the dishes after that. For free. 😉
Mordekaiser
28 January 2013 7:40am
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wotson
28 January 2013 7:41am
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could somebody remind me who was sold down the river. we should tell the Eu to bugger off and refuse any more migration
pedwarpimp wotson
28 January 2013 7:58am
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Its not the EU migrants that are the problem
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whatithink
28 January 2013 7:45am
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I'm looking forward to the Bulgarians and Romanians coming. They'll make a great contribution to British life, just as the Poles and other central and eastern Europeans have.
pedwarpimp whatithink
28 January 2013 7:58am
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are they cheap handymen then?
melrosechick
28 January 2013 7:46am
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Im kind of speechless. I dont think trashing our country abroad is the answer, though I can understand why they are doing it.
My vote would be to not open the doors to the Romanians and Bulgarians. We have enough problems with imported criminality as it is without inviting more. I say No…. no, no and no again. Let the EU through an eppy….. No!
Dude1000
28 January 2013 7:47am
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So sad! If they do so, will be such a discriminative politic. There's much more polite ways of keeping whoever they dont want away, such as harder immigration policy. I'm very sure that not only Bulgarians and Romanians are the problem for crime there… for sure there are other ethnical background troublemakers too, but yet no one mentions anything about that. UK cant have double standard. Someone said about gangs… if a gang would want to come to UK … there wont be any boundaries for that person.
Milton
28 January 2013 7:54am
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So the only time the government is prepared to tell the truth about Britain is on foreign TV networks? And this will, bizarrely, constitute one of the rare occasions in history when a TV ad isn't full of lies and spin? I suspect that a mother lode of irony, so rich as to bring tears to the eyes, is about to be mined …
pedwarpimp
28 January 2013 7:55am
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brentmeister27
28 January 2013 8:00am
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Two words….NO BENEFITS !!!
brentmeister27 brentmeister27
28 January 2013 8:06am
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No benefits. That includes working tax credit, child credit/benefit, housing benefit and JSA. I would also scrap free health care and education to non UK citizens. It's not rocket science.
Pazerino brentmeister27
28 January 2013 8:11am
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@brentmeister27 – You are EU members. And must apply the EU laws.
If you wants to exit EU -it is your question.
But at the present moment, it is simple like that- the laws are for everyone.
themurf brentmeister27
28 January 2013 8:15am
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The only benefit migrants can claim immediately is child benefit.
The migrants-come-here-for-benefits trope is a red herring used by xenophobes to whip up resentment.
As for the brainless idiot who wants to stop healthcare – when was the last time a disease decided to just infect migrant workers?
Zhanna Sutton brentmeister27
28 January 2013 8:19am
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Enoch Powell used to dress in drag in his spare time and always voted for any Gay legislation.
Did you know that?
I hope you're pro same-sex marriage, like Enoch would've been.
Ever read the poems he wrote at Uni to one of his friends?
Also, given that John Major signed the Maastricht treaty and given the amount of parasitic English expats living in Spain not speaking the language and using their hospitals and demanding translators, that is the other side of the EU benefits coin, apart from what you said, given the Maastricht treaty and subsequent means that what you're saying is not only irrelevant to this debate, but also illegal.
The only way to get around it is to do the same special law that Labour did in 2006 keeping them out, the same law that is now expiring and is being discussed.
Pazerino Zhanna Sutton
28 January 2013 9:08am
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@Zhanna Sutton – You ARE in the EU. It is your decision to be in, or to go out.
Europe is not "a la carte" for you in UK- to take only these things you like. After 7 years (from the year 2007), there will be a free movement for the BG and Romanian citizens. This is a EU law, and you in UK must oblige. No matter you like this, or not.
pedwarpimp themurf
28 January 2013 9:16am
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angelical brentmeister27
28 January 2013 10:49am
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@brentmeister27 – I'm not an UK citizen, but I have been living here legally for the last 6 years. I pay my taxes and contribute to my community, I have a highly skilled job and I have more English friends than people from my own country; therefore I have embraced British culture.
I have never claimed any kind of benefits, even though I was unemployed for months in 2009. My core values wouldn't let me take money for nothing.
But if I get sick or if I ever have children you are telling me that I shouldn't be allowed to any of that?
ghostfromeast
28 January 2013 8:03am
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Pazerino
28 January 2013 8:04am
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The UK is a member of the EU. The laws and the rules of the EU are obligatory to the all EU countries, no matter we in UK like this, or not.
From the year 2014, there will be free movement of the BG and Romania citizens.
It is simple like that.
Honeypie1 Pazerino
28 January 2013 8:19am
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The issue is that we haven't been given a vote on this and the answer is a simple one. We don't want to stay in the EU and we don't want the immigration issues either. Germany appears to control Europe therefore they can take them.
Pazerino Honeypie1
28 January 2013 9:02am
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@Honeypie1 – There is no any kind "a vote on this". This is a law for the free movement of the EU citizens inside the EU borders.
EU is not "a la carte" situation for the UK. You are in- you are obliged to follow the rules.
The rest is your interior question- to give or not to give benefits etc.
Gaz1000
28 January 2013 8:09am
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Thanks to Labour, Conservative and the cretins behind Lib Dems Britain is like living in a neglected **it hole.
Hang the lot – now I would pay good money to see that.
GJP46
28 January 2013 8:09am
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Why are Bulgarians and Romanians singled out here? What has a holiday resort in the Black sea got to do with staying in your own country? Why are the British flocking everywhere around the world and expect it is their god given right to immigrate to other countries. In fact they even produce shows illustrating the arrogance and stupidity of people doing this-British people. For example British coming to Australia, WITHOUT JOBS and expecting to stay???? in a country that despite doing OK now HAS LIMITED areas of where to live. But they still come.
Ok so I grew up knowing how racist the UK was and now living in it as an Australian for some time I can confirm this. But ok I digress, so now we have or are going to have a racist policy in order to get around EU laws, very sneaky to try and persuade all of those Bulgarians and Romanians hell bent on taking over this soggy wet whinging country form coming here. PATHETIC!
Where are all these Bulgarians and Romanians? Certainly not on the streets. They have jobs like any responsible person, pay taxes like anyone else paying taxes.
Let's not mention all of the other foreigners here, and the local population.
Let some politician show where the statistics were done proving that Bulgarian's and Romanian's are a problem here or is the Guardian just trying to follow along with other media sources such as the Daily Mail.
AND where did you get this:
"or try to encourage would-be migrants to wake up to the joys of their own countries whether Romania's Carpathian mountains or Bulgaria's Black Sea resorts. "
And WHO said this Rajeev Syal
The answer is simple for EVERYONE coming here and expecting to stay.
NO job you can't come. You must have arranged employment before coming.
Yes that's right, I'll get back to my own country and sit back and watch it being "invaded' by the British, they think they own it anyway. NOT
themurf
28 January 2013 8:12am
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This is a joke, right?
What a shower of a government.
wightangler
28 January 2013 8:14am
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why don't the home office simply apply restrictions allowed within interpretation of the clauseand local beye-laws as germany has successfully carried out for decades to prevent large scale econ. migrations.
This follows a similar motivated intervention by the same german, rench, & dutch in decisions regarding own manufactures, etc. under EU open competition tendering -that might undermine domestic employment and manufacturing capacity.
Failure to address this meaningfully now – will further destroy community cohesion during 'austerity'/privatisation and ensure that europe and immigration would be the main issue at next election – subordinating the very real structural social exclusion from coalition self-advantaged policies
Zhanna Sutton
28 January 2013 8:15am
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That legislation restricting Bulgarians and Romanians was Labour legislation, the only legislation restricting immigration since John Major deregulated it and signed the Maastricht treaty.
That's because the Tories were the ones that opened up these imaginary "floodgates" to immigration and not Labour.
It makes me laugh those that blame Labour because they read what Murdoch tells them instead of knowing what's really going on in this country and why.
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GJP46
28 January 2013 8:16am
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Oh yeah and I hope Bulgaria and Romania are planning to do the same thing to persuade the Brits from coming to their "Cheap" country's in order to go skiing cheaply , drink alcohol until they make a nuisance of themselves, expect to live in these countries without hassle
Ezra85 GJP46
28 January 2013 9:26am
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I don't think you should pigeonhole all Brits, yes there are a lot that do that and not just in Bulgaria, but a lot, whether on holiday or as expats, are behaved, do learn the language and put into the economy. You don't like it when people pigeonhole immigrants, so don't do it with Brits.
Erick Marsh Ezra85
28 January 2013 10:13am
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@Ezra85 – We (Bulgarians) are not so low to do that. Sorry.
Ezra85 Erick Marsh
28 January 2013 11:21am
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@Erick Marsh – Don't worry I wasn't implying that Bulgarians were.
Honeypie1
28 January 2013 8:17am
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Just say no and leave the rest of Europe to take them. Germany and France make these decisions then they must take them. The sooner we leave the EU the better.
GJP46
28 January 2013 8:18am
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There is no such thing as "community cohesion" in British culture, that is a myth
pedwarpimp
28 January 2013 8:18am
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I know a Bulgarian
insodone
28 January 2013 8:20am
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OMG! Guardian when did you turn into the Daily Mail. Seriously articles bordering on racism are NOT ok.
GJP46
28 January 2013 8:20am
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Yep Britain can go it alone that's for sure, like it can't even feed itself without importing masses of food from the EU. Yep let's not have anything to do with the EU
GJP46
28 January 2013 8:21am
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Too right insodone, Guardian now just sound exactly like the Daily Mail.
GJP46
28 January 2013 8:22am
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Let's face it the media is controlling the masses, nothing new there.
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guyofgisborne
28 January 2013 8:24am
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The point is that family immigration will increase when the A2 restrictions are lifted.
“Rotherham has seen a rapid growth in Slovakian and Czech Roma communities following EU enlargement in 2004, growing from nil in 2003/4 to 3,700 in 2011/12. Roma are now the fastest growing minority ethnic group in Rotherham and the second-largest black and minority ethnic community in the borough. The Roma community has settled in three small central areas of Rotherham that are among the most disadvantaged areas in the borough, with one area (Ferham) being among the three per cent most deprived areas in England. In common with Roma people from many parts of Europe, Roma new migrants to Rotherham come from a background of extreme poverty, discrimination, exclusion and denial of rights. They are coming here to escape this background and to build a better life for their families. However, they bring with them needs and experiences that partner agencies must take account of when looking to integrate this new community.
“Rapid demographic change has brought with it many challenges, both for local residents and for local services. For example, the population in the Eastwood Village area has increased by 20 per cent in five years due to inward migration. Given that no new houses have been built in the area, this is a large increase in population density over a short time. The age structure of the area is young, with 30 per cent of the population being under 16. Entrenched deprivation is also a concern, both for Roma families and the wider community.
The main challenges facing Rotherham in relation to the growing Roma community are:
• Disproportionate and rising demands on safeguarding and child protection services.
• Low levels of education/skills and language barriers.
• Poor health, disability and lack of engagement in ill-health prevention.
• Housing overcrowding and some of the stock in very poor condition.
• Problems of non compliance with recycling, excess waste and fly tipping in gardens, streets and parks are causing tension in the local community.
• Anti-social behaviour and youth nuisance.
• Schools are facing pressures of increasing demand for places; attending and attainment presents a continued challenge.
• Roma people coming to Rotherham are suspicious of authorities and fear harassment and discrimination by the non-Roma community.
Gunderic guyofgisborne
28 January 2013 8:46am
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And Rotherham still votes Labour….
IanInOz guyofgisborne
28 January 2013 9:07am
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wallandmarsh
28 January 2013 8:25am
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Just secribe the MP for Brentwood to them. Is this is his best idea?
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Lightlight
28 January 2013 8:25am
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Romania should be afraid of the British immigration!
Romania has great weather, fine sand on the Black Sea beaches, beautiful, sexy women, excellent, cheap beer, very good food.
Honeypie1 Lightlight
28 January 2013 8:45am
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Good they can stay there then.
woodengravy Honeypie1
28 January 2013 8:53am
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@Honeypie1 – My Romanian wife is already here.
Buna Ziua
Honeypie1 woodengravy
28 January 2013 9:15am
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@woodengravy – Good and your point is? I have no objection with anyone coming here as long as they don't start claiming any benefits and attempt to change this Country. For example those twats that have now started to stop people having a drink or dressing in a certain way or attacking gay people. I have a Romanian friend who is a nurse also many Polish friends and even they say these levels of immigration will push the UK towards the tipping point.
GJP46
28 January 2013 8:25am
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ghostfromeast you are so correct with what you say!
mthephilosopher
28 January 2013 8:25am
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Because Johnny Foreigner is so stupid he or she can't just use the Internet or buy a British paper (yes, they are for sale abroad) to find out for themselves what the truth is. And the truth is Romania is just awful, partly thanks to Britain and the US doing their best to dismantle what good there was in the communist regime and sell everything off to the most corrupt mafia millionaires around.
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Euroczar
28 January 2013 8:29am
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The bulgars and the Romanians want to realise the "benefits" of the eu,,,,
at British expense,,,,,talk about being master on your own house,,,,
bonkers letting a new wave in when the economy is on its knees
GJP46 Euroczar
28 January 2013 8:47am
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What is this rubbish you are talking about, what expense? There are plenty of thriving businesses here and plenty of poorly run businesses here and they like anywhere and anytime deserve to go bust.
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John Smith
28 January 2013 8:30am
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This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, the tories need to grow a pair and just stop them coming to the UK
Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41492
Honeypie1 John Smith
28 January 2013 8:43am
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Done.
woodengravy John Smith
28 January 2013 8:46am
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No..
Buna Ziua.
GJP46
28 January 2013 8:32am
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If Australia decided to behave like this article suggests then it certainly wouldn't be where it is now if we didn't have all those immigrants living and working there.
Miller Skipworth
28 January 2013 8:33am
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We're shit and we know it. Etc.
Wagram
28 January 2013 8:34am
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28 January 2013 8:34am
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wightangler
28 January 2013 8:36am
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amazing how many on here show the shallowness of their own liberal-left credentials by preferring and welcoming 'exciting culturally distinct foreigners' (wonderful petty bourgeois 'lifestyle holidays and cuisine advantages)- to idealize and romantacize – rather than supporting the directly displaced UK working class who'll actually be most affected by these further massive Eu-immigration measures … during a recession which hits the poorest UK disproportionately hardest and when basic food/housing and energy/utilities are increasingly unaffordable to the same poorest indigenous people.
Now that's a contradiction – you really couldn't make up!
themurf wightangler
28 January 2013 9:32am
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"Shallowness of liberal-left credentials"?
As opposed to caving in to cretinous far right xenophobia?
I know which camp I'd rather be in.
Not the brainless fear-the-foreigners one.
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SurferR0sa
28 January 2013 8:36am
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I went to Romania about three years ago and found it a lovely country, with really nice, open people. But, god, it's so poor…. properly third world 'Borat' style poor. Is it any wonder that people there want to try to find a better life somewhere else in Europe? I agree that they're probably going to have a hard time here too but until all the xenophobes agree that all the Brits in Spain, France and Italy should be repatriated, it's all just racist hypocrisy.
British expats have created 'Little England' ghettos all over Europe and priced locals out of the market, caused extra work and hassle for local councils and availed themselves of state services too.
GJP46 SurferR0sa
28 January 2013 8:43am
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Too right I have been going to Bulgaria for over ten years now and it is true of the Brits there.
Hermann22
28 January 2013 8:36am
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They are telling the truth to the Romanian and Bulgarians while continuing to lie to us.
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Gitfinger
28 January 2013 8:37am
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Britain's Great! Britain's Crap! Make your mind up FFS.
submusician Gitfinger
28 January 2013 8:48am
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the latter
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GJP46
28 January 2013 8:41am
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Hey guyofgisborne your off topic, ROMA are not Romanians Nor are they Bulgarian's. How about we start talking about all the Bangladeshi people here or the Somali people?
28 January 2013 8:24amLink to this comment
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The point is that family immigration will increase when the A2 restrictions are lifted.
“Rotherham has seen a rapid growth in Slovakian and Czech Roma communities following EU enlargement in 2004, growing from nil in 2003/4 to 3,700 in 2011/12. Roma are now the fastest growing minority ethnic group
birney GJP46
28 January 2013 12:42pm
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if they have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for hundreds of years then they are citizens of that country you cannot distinguish between peoples like that
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Gunderic
28 January 2013 8:41am
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If we pay them benefits then they will come.
According to wiki there are an estimated 700,000 Roma in Romania and up to 800,000 in Bulgaria. These figures are estimates. The estimate for Hungary is 394,000-1,000,000.
themurf Gunderic
28 January 2013 8:42am
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We won't be paying them benefits.
Can we discuss the real world now please?
Not the fantasy world of the xenophobes?
Gunderic themurf
28 January 2013 8:48am
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@themurf – So why do they come?
GJP46 themurf
28 January 2013 8:48am
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@themurf – This forum is full of Xenophobes.
acewindsor themurf
28 January 2013 8:50am
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@themurf –
Which city do you live in? Any of the ones that are not ethnically English anymore?
spinneroo themurf
28 January 2013 8:55am
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@themurf – Dictionary help; xenophobe=someone who disagrees with me
themurf Gunderic
28 January 2013 8:57am
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@Gunderic – They haven't got here yet. The ban ends at the end of this year.
And *if* they do travel here, it'll be for work – just as what happened when the Poles took their opportunity in 2004.
Honestly, get a grip.
Gunderic themurf
28 January 2013 8:59am
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@themurf – Like the ones who have been selling the big issue outside of my local supermarket for the last few years?
Gunderic themurf
28 January 2013 9:08am
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@themurf – I agree that the Poles are mainly here to work. The ones I have met are excellent.
Schtroumpf Gunderic
28 January 2013 10:20am
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bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 8:41am
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Bollocks…every few months same politicians make campaigns abroad, advertising British universities and inviting immigrants. I own property in Bulgaria and nearly quarter of my neighbours are SETTLED Brits (the rest Swedes, Russians and Frenchmen). Having spoken to Bulgarians many times, I can assure Cameron that top destination for low-skilled Bulgarian workers is Spain, while educated folks go to Norway. Besides, I have been asked at least ten times – Are you from Londonistan? No need of negative campaign – just say the true facts.
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octopus8
28 January 2013 8:42am
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For some Tories, and UKIP, Bulgaria and Romania "are the new black".
GJP46 octopus8
28 January 2013 8:50am
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So true
HowardBeale
28 January 2013 8:42am
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Since the government are admitting jobs are scarce and low paid, can we have an easing of the 'skiver' onslaught? No? Two different markets I suppose, for a goverment of PR spin salesmen.
themurf
28 January 2013 8:44am
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If ministers do this then Labour's next general Election campaign material is already written.
acewindsor
28 January 2013 8:47am
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Now lets see; the Roma have a chance of moving to 27 countries of the EU. Does Athens look attractive for them? How about Warsaw? What about Prague? There's always Berlin.
Hmm… maybe London is looking very attractive.
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oommph
28 January 2013 8:48am
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After the recent court case in Bulgaria that highlighted how British paedophiles are targeting that nation, it's probably a very good idea not to even think about what an equivalent Bulgarian ad campaign to deter British citizens from the perceived attractions of their nation might need to contain.
Really, when is the UK going to grow up?
GJP46 oommph
28 January 2013 8:54am
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Unfortunately the UK is a very racist country and while the media continues to rev up it's peoples they will probably never "grow up"
Except for the intelligentsia
spinneroo GJP46
28 January 2013 8:59am
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@GJP46 – very rascist compared with whom? Japan? Germany?India?Pakistan?Australia/Saudi?Iran?S.Africa?Israel?
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bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 8:52am
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Mr Cameron,
most important is NOT your Romano-Bulgarian wanna-be immigrants, but how to stop Brits leaving Britain. With or without Eastern Europeans, this country has a serious problem and that's not just the weather.
GJP46 bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 8:56am
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Come on if you stop British people form leaving what would all the TV stations do about those great (yeah right!) TV shows about Brits coming to Australia, Spain, France etc etc to live, without jobs and not speaking the language (exception Australia).
gregnewall
28 January 2013 8:54am
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Laughing too much to comment intelligently.
MadamPastrami
28 January 2013 8:54am
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I wouldn't have thought it necessary to launch a negative ad campaign. It would be paying twice for a service that our Ministers already provide.
oldteacher
28 January 2013 8:55am
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David Cameron should appoint George Osborne to head the campaign and tell him to encourage these people to come and join in Osborne's rebalancing of the Economy. With Gidiot in charge we ewouldn't see one potential foreign worker turning up.
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cactiform
28 January 2013 8:56am
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Please don't come to Britain – it rains and the jobs are scarce and low-paid.
But everyone can become a Big Issue seller and claim their benefits and free housing at the taxpayers' expense. It seems that this is the main growth industry in some places.
Gunderic cactiform
28 January 2013 9:06am
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It's true. The big issue sellers are outside my local supermarket.
GJP46 cactiform
28 January 2013 9:09am
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Your talking rubbish mate, get on topic and don't slag the Big Issue or legit Big Issue sellers. There are licensed sellers and people who aren't licensed.
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forthe
28 January 2013 9:00am
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You know what the problem is? UK is attractive to low-end individuals rather than high-end ones.
I'm a fairly young romanian professional in my mid-twenties, and could barely stay half a year in the UK on a 50k/year salary. The life there was unappealing for me but for some of my childhood friends that drew the short straw in life, UK is the promise land. They have such a good time there with all the boozing, the drugs, the easy gals and so on that they'll never leave.
You see, the problem is in your backyard.
Pazerino forthe
28 January 2013 9:14am
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There is many peoples in UK, which are quite pathetic about the "roma rights" in their native countries. They endlessly talks about "democracy", " the human rights", "oppression", and so on.
But the things change quite quickly, when the romas "approach" the Western borders… and the ugly face of the UK "democracy" is never late to show up.
JustinC
28 January 2013 9:01am
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So they will be willfully telling lies abut Britain – or is it the truth?
It has to be one or the other.
Richmondecology
28 January 2013 9:04am
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Pathetic waste of money- someone in Government must be receiving an incentive from the Private agency who will conduct such a ridiculous advertising account!
PAThetic
Ilanfo
28 January 2013 9:05am
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We already have such ad. It's called "England For Polish Immigrants". I hope it helps the Government.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agt8yQIJRuI
AkeemD
28 January 2013 9:07am
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As far as I see, your government is using smoke screens to hide the deeper problems. Moving public attention from economic problems, to possible immigration issue is a deja-vu for me, as in Romania, this kind of tactical movements are often used by politicians. What's next?
"UK citizens, we made a plan that is discouraging immigrants to settle in UK: We have to go into a deep recession"
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judgematt
28 January 2013 9:08am
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Dont go spending more money we havent got just close the boarders you incompitent fool
JustinC judgematt
28 January 2013 9:28am
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28 January 2013 9:10am
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Ilanfo
28 January 2013 9:11am
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Such an ad already exists. It's called" England For Polish Immigrants".
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elmondo2012
28 January 2013 9:13am
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Forgive me for asking this, but why doesn't the UK just tighten it's immigration laws?
I left (fled is actually a more appropriate term) for Australia 15 years ago. The immigration laws here are, as everyone is aware, much stricter (they go 'off the deep end' in many respects) but it works.
The UK was pretty bad when I left and from my observations, things have only deteriorated. I was a doctor in the NHS and as I understand that has really gone to the dogs.
If you can, I would suggest emigrating. (New Zealand is very nice too).
MGWILLEY elmondo2012
28 January 2013 9:16am
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and you are one of the same people who think that all UKIP people are nutters… what do you think they are upset about?
whollymoley elmondo2012
28 January 2013 11:15am
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I left (fled is actually a more appropriate term) for Australia 15 years ago. I was a doctor in the NHS and as I understand that has really gone to the dogs.
It's probably difficult to keep abreast of the news from the other side of the world, but in fact financial support and people's satisfaction with the NHS increased hugely while you were away:
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/03/26/new-labours-nhs-reforms-the-verdict/
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SueEllenMishky
28 January 2013 9:13am
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"On Sunday a Downing Street source said: 'It is true that options are being looked at but we are not commenting on the specific things mentioned … as obviously it is an ongoing process and we will bring forward any proposals in due course.'"
Translation: "Yes, we are going to do this."
"The source also said that the government did not think the rule changes would necessarily bring a big influx of people, since Romanians have closer links to Germany and Italy rather than Britain."
Translation: "Watch out for this lot, they were on the wrong side in the war."
Schtroumpf SueEllenMishky
28 January 2013 10:14am
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Sums it up rather nicely and speaks volumes about the political thought behind it.
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antiFootball
28 January 2013 9:15am
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I think the Guardian should disable comments on this threads. It's full of racist scumbags.
Honeypie1 antiFootball
28 January 2013 9:19am
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Don't you mean realists?
Pazerino antiFootball
28 January 2013 9:19am
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Like this- when the things are not quite right for "us"- we shut the lights off.
Democracy "British style"- "the Churchill style" of Democracy… .
Emil Oprisa antiFootball
28 January 2013 11:28am
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ever heard of freedom of expression?
Cavirac
28 January 2013 9:16am
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Well really the UK has only itself to blame because it 'cherry picks' EU directives.
EU Directive 2004/38/EC clearly says and I quote.
(10) Persons exercising their right of residence should not, however, become an unreasonable burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during an initial period of residence. Therefore, the right of residence for Union citizens and their family members for periods in excess of three months should be subject to conditions.
So these immigrants should they arrive in other EU countries which have absorbed this directive in to their own laws will receive no benefits at all within the first three months after which most other EU countries have said if you don't work and pay your tax you are still not eligible to use the 'social assistance scheme' which means no social payments and no health care. So to stay longer you need to have enough money to live and private health insurance else you have to leave.
The UK, as I said, has not accepted this directive in to UK law which is why these people come to the UK. They won't go to other EU countries (other than to pass through them to get to the UK) because they know they will get no help at all.
This came in to effect in 2004 and guess who was PM then, why good old Tony Blair.
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HaveAFalafel
28 January 2013 9:16am
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It's very simple, don't offer benefits to foreign nationals.
Honeypie1 HaveAFalafel
28 January 2013 9:18am
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Spot on.
Diepiriye Sungumote Kuku-Siemons HaveAFalafel
28 January 2013 9:40am
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I think you're right. Don't offer foreigners benefits, but then also, don;t strong arm Britain's way into foreign markets – and I'm not just talking about that infamous invasion of China centuries ago, but the word done today through the IMF and WB. It's a two-way street, and for your suggestion to work, we'd need to close both sides, you know, just to be fair.
birney HaveAFalafel
28 January 2013 12:51pm
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as it is illegal to discriminate between EU citizens we would have to abolish non contributory means tested benefits for everyone including uk citizens
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Erick Marsh
28 January 2013 9:16am
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So Brits are allowed to buy land and live in Bulgaria as they do from a long time but Bulgarians are not allowed to go to England? :)))
Honeypie1 Erick Marsh
28 January 2013 9:22am
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Buying land is very different from arriving here and claimng benefits from day one!
Erick Marsh Honeypie1
28 January 2013 9:29am
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@Honeypie1 – In the place where I'm living there is only 4 or 5 Bulgarian families left, all others are British. I have nothing against them, they are really nice neighbors, we even group and do things together. My question is why they can do that, come and live here but we cant (Its not like i want to really)? I fail to understand the problem. We are not second hand people…if you want to put restrictions do it for the gipsies. You will be called racist anyway.
Vesko94 Honeypie1
28 January 2013 9:30am
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@Honeypie1 – Don't forget for how long UK has benefited from the resources of the other countries. Now you have to pay for this.
BobJanova Erick Marsh
28 January 2013 9:37am
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Whether to allow Brits to buy property, live and work in Bulgaria is a question for the Bulgarian government. Bulgaria isn't so densely populated as England though and it doesn't have a generous welfare system that those Brits become eligible for, so I would guess immigration is much less of a problem over there.
Erick Marsh BobJanova
28 January 2013 9:42am
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@BobJanova – Fair enough. Its not like I think to emigrate because I actually like it here (in Bulgaria), but you guys ignore the wrong people. There is a big difference between Bulgarians and Bulgarian gipsies. You will be called racist anyway so you can just ignore the gipsies 🙂
observingfromDubai Vesko94
28 January 2013 9:46am
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@Vesko94 – So you do admit it is going to cost us! Brilliant.
Honeypie1 Vesko94
28 January 2013 9:50am
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@Vesko94 – If it is so uncomfortable for you then leave. You can't change history. Just how big do you want your class sizes to be for your children? Where the money coming from for all of this? Who will fund it.
Schtroumpf observingfromDubai
28 January 2013 9:59am
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@observingfromDubai – if your username is anything to go by you might not be that much affected.
observingfromDubai Schtroumpf
28 January 2013 10:33am
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@Schtroumpf – on the contrary. Im only here for as long as im useful which means sponsored by an employer. The month im not needed im on a plane home. Distinct difference.
birney Vesko94
28 January 2013 12:58pm
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@Vesko94 – this is an apalling attitude- do we insist Italy and France and Scandinavia pay reparations for Rome Norman and Viking colonisation,stop pointing out the empire mote in our eye or we will remember the Holocaust beam in your history. We forgive the sins of the Axis so stop with the Empire shit. They are both dead and gone.
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Knowles2
28 January 2013 9:18am
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The source also said that the government did not think the rule changes would necessarily bring a big influx of people, since Romanians have closer links to Germany and Italy rather than Britain.
It all depends on the language. Most polish people I know did not choose Britain because they had links to the country they choose it because they could speak English, even it was just barely speak it, it was better than the zero French they spoke or the zero German they spoke.
It will be the same with people from Romania and Bulgaria, people will choose the country they go to on the language they know. I betting just like almost every other country on Earth english is taught in there schools and at the majority of foreign they content they read and watch will have English as there language.
Speaking the language of international commerce has it upsides and downsides.
Knowles2 Knowles2
28 January 2013 9:22am
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The source also said that the government did not think the rule changes would necessarily bring a big influx of people, since Romanians have closer links to Germany and Italy rather than Britain.
It all depends on the language they speak. Most polish people I know did not choose Britain because they had links to the country, they choose it because they could speak English, even it was just barely speak it, it was better than the zero French they spoke or the zero German they spoke or knew.
It will be the same with people from Romania and Bulgaria, people will choose the country they go to base on the language they know. I am betting just like almost every other country on Earth English is taught in their schools and the majority of foreign content they read and watch will have English as the original language.
Speaking the language of international commerce has it upsides and downsides.
miguelp
28 January 2013 9:19am
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I like the idea that by moaning about how miserable it is here that it will put people off. Surely that is the very essence of Britain and the one that attracts people to do business here and come on holiday. I think if I was from Transylvania I would be more nervous about going somewhere with higher standards, this way it is more familiar, more like home. People living in castles and mobs of superstitious villagers with torches 😉
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Vesko94
28 January 2013 9:21am
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As a Bulgarian of 18 yrs old I already have my vision for the world around me. I can say that you guys in Great Britain, USA and the rest of the Western world are living by getting credits from banks, benefiting from the natural resources of the other countries, including Bulgaria. That's why you have high standart of living. You live on the back of the others. You finally should understand it! And don't forget that the fault for the current situation in countries like Bulgaria, Romania and so on, is yours.
Diepiriye Sungumote Kuku-Siemons Vesko94
28 January 2013 9:37am
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I am sure you already know, so this is just a friendly reminder, that the worst aspect of the privilege you describe is IGNORANCE of that privilege. The closer one is to the 'ideal type' of citizen, the more ignorant we tend to be of the privileges we receive in society. Men are blind to everyday sexism, whites refuse to acknowledge everyday racism, Christians forget about the blood shed for their God- and certainly Christians in UK and America forget how their God granted them permission to exploit resources all over the globe to the extent that the imbalances we see today feel permanent and invisible- as you suggest.
observingfromDubai Vesko94
28 January 2013 9:44am
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Should have left you under the iron curtain.
Hoogensteen Vesko94
28 January 2013 10:00am
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Well, why doesn't the rest of the world, the non-Western parts, develop and use their resources and stop the interminable whining?
Schtroumpf Vesko94
28 January 2013 10:11am
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Vesko, you have a point on the dominance of Western countries over the use of resources from other countries, but that does not apply particularly to Romania and Bulgaria to the same extent that it does to other countries.
As for the responsibility for the situation in Romania and Bulgaria, you're barking up the wrong tree. I think that it would be a bit harsh to pretend that the other EU countries should fix problems that were in my opinion mostly brought about by both countries being soviet satellite states, and thus prone to endemic corruption.
As an 18 year old with an interest in politics and an instinct for justice, don't you feel tempted by political activism and a drive to fix your country's problems? Bulgaria certainly has opportunities to exploit EU membership for the benefit of all her citizens.
Vesko94 observingfromDubai
28 January 2013 11:38am
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@observingfromDubai – Without others' natural resources you would be just one small group of low-paid capitalist workers. Your mouths are going to be shut up very soon. Russia's rising again, China as well. The collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest mistake of its leaders, because people on the east side of the so-called Iron curtain were happy persons, with pretty good standar of living, low percentege of crimes and a very, very good educational system.
Vesko94 Schtroumpf
28 January 2013 11:49am
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@Schtroumpf – Bulgaria right now is under big foreign pressure by US and the EU to stop building its second NPP at Belene. We need this PP because our industry needs lower electricity prices, households need lower prices, in that moment we are struggling to pay our bills. And do you know why EU and US especially doens't want this NPP? Because we want it to be build by Russia's Rosatom. And of course Washington has its own interests in the region and doesn't want strong Russian influence here. Yesterday he had our first referendum in more than 20 yrs time. Most Bulgarians voted for second NPP at Belene, 60%, but current government continue to say it is not panning to build it, despite people's decision.
Schtroumpf Vesko94
28 January 2013 12:18pm
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@Vesko94 – you got a 20% turnout in that referendum, that's 12% Bulgarians in favor of that NPP. You've got earthquakes in Bulgaria, and there is no solution to safely get rid of nuclear waste (anywhere, that's not just Bulgaria). If it were a solution to build NPPs, it'd never be a cheap one.
Of course it was, when everything was bright and wonderful as in your reply to @observingfromDubai…
Vesko94 Schtroumpf
28 January 2013 12:33pm
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@Schtroumpf – This 20% are because our politicians really confussed the electorate with the price of Belene. Our current PM Borisov, a couple of years ago, was with his 2 hands for the project, now he made 360 degrees U-turn. Most people here think that he made this under US pressure. About the earthquakes- yes, we have earthquakes, but the strongest here can be around 8th grade, 7th in Belene. If you saw what happend in Japan almost a couple of yrs ago, The Fukushima Plant was at pretty good state after the quake, most of the damages occured after the plant was hit by the tsunami. No possibility for a such strong tsunami on the coast of river Danube. So I think despite the low activity, government should take action and restart the project.
pelegia
28 January 2013 9:21am
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why waste tax payers money on adverts when the whole of Europe and beyond know that jobs are scarce and badly paid
MariaTodorovA
28 January 2013 9:22am
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I feel that Genesis Ch 1 and 2 over temptation should be considered (or, when you keep something highly protected, it only increases the impression that it is worth it to be cherished) as well as Maslow's motivation ranking (the need for food is placed before the need for security, belonging and any other need). Proper knowledge on subject and its reasons, the appeals, mechanisms and targets are apparently very important for ANY campaign to succeed. 😉
elitistjerk
28 January 2013 9:23am
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Among all this, people forget that
a) Romanians and Bulgarians always preferred Italy and Spain (language helps)
b) the populations just don't have those kinds of numbers of young people available to create a Poland-style exodus to scare Britain.
Just saying.
Kit Bet
28 January 2013 9:23am
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no need for negative publicity, just publish photos of the city centres on friday and saturday nights , they´ll get the message!
Éva Szálas
28 January 2013 9:23am
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mgharfalkar
28 January 2013 9:23am
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Instead of resorting to negative ad campaigns that will not make any difference to those living below poverty lines in those 2 countries, the government should do what is within its control (as EU referendum is far away to be of any significance to migrants coming over from within EU to the UK) :
As in the case of non EU migrants, introduce a qualifying period of 5 years for any migrant coming from within EU to the UK before he/she becomes eligible to claim any welfare benefits or have recourse to any public funds.
This will not be discriminatory as it already exist for migrants from outside EU coming over to the UK. Such a measure will be very effective in curtailing migrants from within EU who wish to come here with a sole purpose of claiming benefits.
Such a measure will also save taxpayer money that is expected to be spent on negative ad campaigns in these 2 countries.
MistaSinfield
28 January 2013 9:24am
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JustinC
28 January 2013 9:25am
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How about telling them that this is the country where we drive terminally ill people to suicide because we withdraw their benefits?
Showing them any copy of the Daily Mail should also help.
curiousaltruistic
28 January 2013 9:25am
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Just take a picture of Farage – and explain his party program – that should frighten away not only people from other countries but also us who live here now.
MasterArngeir
28 January 2013 9:25am
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In any debate about the sensitive nature of immigration, it's always a good idea to kick the topic off by espousing Enoch Powell's ideology on immigrants. Certain to work 80% of the time in 3/5 cases!
Éva Szálas
28 January 2013 9:25am
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Desertratinwales
28 January 2013 9:26am
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"the jobs are scarce and low-paid."
But wait a sec….I thought the tories keep clamouring there's plenty of work out there for everyone anyway 😛
But wait a sec…they're now admitting wages are pathetic for workers as well?! But they're still more worried about tax breaks for wealthy or big business LOL
jamesrogers
28 January 2013 9:26am
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One way to put off prospective immigrants would be to tell them of the terrible problems the UK has .. with its immigrants.
AgentSwitters
28 January 2013 9:27am
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Make them watch the Olympics opening ceremony.
Golightly
28 January 2013 9:27am
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Haha this is hilarious, and a stroke of genius. "Dear rest of the world, don't come here we are broke and whats more we're a bunch of c**ts who assault hospital staff if we get sick" Also send a video of any town centre at around 11pm on a Saturday night. That should do it…….
optimist99
28 January 2013 9:27am
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160,000 Romanians in Germany already – a far more attractive destination than the UK – see
socratesapprentice
28 January 2013 9:30am
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A little late to be looking for the bolt for the stable door…
Diepiriye Sungumote Kuku-Siemons
28 January 2013 9:31am
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Expose Britain racial and class segregation and stalled mobility. All you have to do is show them news from today's paper, e.g the lack of diversity in police and other aspects of public life. The unbreakable race/class barrier to leadership and socio-economic power in Britain is palatable, and exposure to this alone might go a long way in discouraging migration!
donkiddick
28 January 2013 9:32am
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A smurking picture of Gideon and Dave would help…
Just waiting for Gideon to say later in the year "Our growth has been effected by our poor image in Europe"..
If this is the best we have got, we are fucked!!
BobJanova
28 January 2013 9:33am
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"A report" … "a Downing Street source" … are you sure you've not fallen for a joke here?
If the government forsees a problem with immigration then we should not open our borders, and screw the EU if it's that important.
Donperignon
28 January 2013 9:33am
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Come to "England" and stand on street corners selling the "Big Issue"
viewfrombelow
28 January 2013 9:35am
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Believe me !! You don't have to be Bulgarian or Roumanian NOT to like it here in the UK .
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Supermac24
28 January 2013 9:37am
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If these people are prepared to live under plastic tarpaulines on a roundabout, deficating on open land a little bit of rain and some negative ads will not stop them.
A stop and immediate return policy is the only solution.
If you want to see into our future take a trip to inner city Rome, the begging and theft is endemic.
These people don't believe the streets of Britain are paved with gold but they know our government will give them lots of hand outs and they will invest it in their homeland.
We are stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BLsBs Supermac24
28 January 2013 9:45am
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Just ridiculous. You need to go to The Daily Mail website.
BLsBs
28 January 2013 9:42am
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I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony….
Just like Britons are free to roam Europe (and beyond) looking for a better life (if there is one – there's no place like home) welcome anyone who wants to make a go of it in our green and pleasant land.
Welcome fellow human beings and good luck.
Padania
28 January 2013 9:46am
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Britain was most insistent on opening the EU doors to Romania and Bulgaria (other member States were more reticent), just as it had been in the case of Poland. They should have thought of the consequences beforehand. Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost now.
1970
28 January 2013 9:46am
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Just ask the 1 million Brits who left the UK to live in Spain and the millions more in Australia, South Africa, France, Portugal and the USA.
Point is @smurfberry if we leave the Single Market that million or so who retired to Spain, France, Portugal could well be re-patriated all looking for housing, and possible social housing having failed to sell their retirement pads. Additionally of course there could also be the near million or so UK citizens who work elsewhere in the EU, mainly professionals, looking for work as well as housing – and they wont be taking the vacant trade jobs or applying for the low paid low grade jobs done by eastern EU citizens here.
On the other topic of a new citizenship teast. As I wrote here when the first test came in if would-be citizens have to take the test shouldn't citizens by birth have to take it the first time they register to vote? Try the mock test – it's a bit of an eye opener.
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AgentSwitters
28 January 2013 9:46am
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You've gotta laugh after 2012 with all the nationalistic fervour and the government and LOCOG blowing god dust up Britain's morbidly obese arse… in front of the whole world!
Now, in 2013, that's all changed and the "We did it right… blah… made in Great Britain… blah" has changed to:
"Don't come to Britain, we're fucking hypocrites."
silverthread AgentSwitters
28 January 2013 9:57am
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Are they finally admitting that Osborne got it wrong??
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msrowland
28 January 2013 9:47am
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for all you naive stupid morons that actually believe that politicians run this country , wake up. The police run this country and they want them here.. The more romanians here mean the greater chance your house getting burgled, the more chance of you getting your iphone 5 pickpocketed. What will you do? Go and report it to the police. They will then get their funding increased and will hire more police officers. England is already the country in the world that has the most police per 1000 population twice that of France. it also gets the most funding per population of any country in the world and the English police force are the highest paid in the world. Just go visit your local town police station and see all the Audi, mercs ,jags parked there.
James Taylor msrowland
28 January 2013 9:52am
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Haha, yeah that's exactly what the police want, more crime so they get more funding. Well done on your excellently sourced evidenced based conspiracy theory!
callmevroomfondel
28 January 2013 9:49am
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Don't do a half ass job.
Go manipulate google maps so they end up on Greenland instead.
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James Taylor
28 January 2013 9:49am
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I'd like to go to Bulgaria and Romania… will they launch a retaliatory ad-campaign to put me off?
Erick Marsh James Taylor
28 January 2013 10:02am
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Nope 🙂 we will not. You are always welcome to Bulgaria, stay as much as you like it 🙂
ianiles
28 January 2013 9:49am
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Tell 'em we've got a government that is intent on establishing a fascistic corporate state & oppressing the poor. And the weather's crap.
If they want fascism, best wait for a newly elected Berlusconi to offer them that a) nearer to home, and b) with better weather.
bladesew
28 January 2013 9:51am
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So in the boardrooms of multinational companies we have our glossy brochures advertising our strengths as a nation – principally that our people are so demoralised and bankrupted that they will gladly commute 50 miles for minimum wage and at the same time outside the homes of the aspirant working poor of Europe we plaster the walls with posters telling them to be in no doubt that they will be living in a ditch and working 22 hours a day for £1 if they come to this country.
silverthread
28 January 2013 9:53am
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They only have to read the papers. However, never mind how black the p[icture of britain, it is still better than what they have got over there. The more you try to convince a person not to do something, the more they will want to do it. Does any of these ministers have teenage children? Then they know what I mean.
MagnusPym
28 January 2013 9:53am
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Beyond parody.
SteveTen
28 January 2013 9:54am
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Sounds like a gift for labour if they go ahead with it.
Nolens
28 January 2013 9:57am
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I don't mind that citizens of EU member states come to countries in the western part of the EU lik the UK (esp. to London). How ever under current rules and regulations it could mean that a too heaven burden is laid on social security and benefits. Rules should be altered so that only those with employment are allowed to enter with a temporary permit and with no rights on cashing in unemployment and other benefits for at least 5 years. If the immigrant commits a fellony (punishable with a sentence of 12 months or more) he/she will have to leave the country after serving the prison sentence.
Maybe potential immigrants shoul also sign a document in which they pledge not to undermine the security of the host nation, adhere to the secular state, and refrain from subversive political and religious activities.
Scotch10
28 January 2013 9:57am
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It would make more sense to prevent their arrival in the first place.
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niteoftheboos
28 January 2013 9:58am
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Several UK cities tried to do this in the 70s to dissuade immigration-
" don't come here it's 'orrible "
It didn't work then and it won't now
Out tolerance makes us attractive and if we ever become nasty to immigrants (no countries named but you know who you are- just about everyone else) that's the only time people will stop wanting to come
That's too high a price to pay
So guys let's learn some Bulgarian
Parr3 niteoftheboos
28 January 2013 10:05am
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youmustbejesting
28 January 2013 9:59am
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The UK will be unrecognizable in the not to distant future and the way of life we have known will have been completely destroyed.
terrace
28 January 2013 10:01am
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Don't come to the UK Tory – Lib Dem Coalition policies are controlled by Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph readers.
zamyatin13
28 January 2013 10:01am
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Ah, that explains the last few years of Tory government, it was all a negative campaign to convince immigrants that Britain was a basket case. Hats off to them, they did a great job.
Shouldn't Bulgarians be more worried about us? Cheap retirement villas on the Black Sea coming up.
Actually they both (Bulgarians especially), have a good reputation in IT outsourcing. There's a lot of good engineers out there that would definitely be welcomed over. The idea of some eastern horde of semi-criminals (presumably slavish followers of an undead Count, intent on sucking us dry) is a racist fantasy.
The only thing that makes me pull up a bit is the thought that Romania gave us Michael Howard.
charminggal
28 January 2013 10:04am
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And!!! this government still pretend theres loads of jobs and no body chasing them. This country will be ruined beyond recognition in years to come.
Cameron has no patriotism about him, with him.. its all about his baby ego.
What is this government doing to our country,it's barbaric.
This will all end in tears,as resouces become scarce,jobs,homes,hospitals,the welfare will fail ,because of the few that lord over the many…
One day there will be a new dawn,and this will all change.
Parr3
28 January 2013 10:04am
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" it rains and the jobs are scarce and low-paid."
Well they won't be coming to the UK for the weather or the jobs, will they….
charminggal
28 January 2013 10:06am
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Foreign exchange programme,they come over here,we move over there.
You switch on the telly, and all the news readers have names you can't spell.
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28 January 2013 10:08am
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supercool
28 January 2013 10:09am
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This is hilarious and really treating people like morons. Worse than refer madness advert then. There is 25 plus countries for them to move or migrate too for good.
So no need for this at all. Some will come to stay for good. Some will come to look for work. No different than what we in the UK do when we go to other countries to look for work or migrate for good.
Also we willing to let criminals who gained money through bad means to invest here. While trying to scare off this normal people looking to improve their prospects.
The level of hypocrisy and two-faced attitude prevalent nowadays is stunning.
morwella
28 January 2013 10:10am
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Sounds like we've already lost the argument for control of the numbers coming into UK. This is a feeble move more aimed at keeping to keep us placated than them convinced. People, being what they are, are more likely to want to try and come if they are given the idea we don't want to have them here.
acb1
28 January 2013 10:10am
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IIRC, Australia did something similar; they had ads shown in places where asylum seekers originate, warning them that Australia is an inhospitable place full of deadly snakes and spiders. It didn't seem to have had much effect.
woods200
28 January 2013 10:11am
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It'll probably have the opposite effect. When has anyone (of any nationality) ever trusted a government advertising campaign? When I'm on the receiving end of any such campaign my first thought it – "What are they trying to hide?"
For example – If a minister was to make a big thing of announcing (perfectly correctly) that there is going to be no petrol shortage in the foreseeable future (as there's currently no strikes and the refineries are all working at full capacity) – by tomorrow morning all the petrol stations will be dry.
DoubleO
28 January 2013 10:11am
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I've got a better ad
A picture of Dave, looking all Kitchener like pointing his finger with the slogan
Chipping Norton Wants You !
Chipping Norton te vrea!
Чипинг Нортън иска теб!
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itsnotnews
28 January 2013 10:12am
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When governments screw things, God helps, 'cause there's always the stranger to blame. Well, you don't need to …
Facts:
1/ I have already taken your job. Western Europe is overpaid, creates low value for the invested buck. Sorry.
2/ You have so many social benefits, you have become lazy (I know, you will be offended, but it's true). This raises another problem, because an egalitaristic system may be abused (and will be!). If you tighten this system, it will be the first line of defence.
3/ You will need to worry about Gypsies. These are nomadic people. The hypocrisy on your side is that when we (I am Romanian) tried to educate them, you shouted that we do not respect the rights of this ethnic group. No problem, since you seem to know better, you should educate them. Actually I'm very glad they have freedom of movement across EU. Romania seems much cleaner lately …
In short, don't worry about me coming into Britain. Worry about your debt.
Brit1968 itsnotnews
28 January 2013 10:27am
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I'm rather relieved your not coming to this country…there are enough people with your prejudice and ignorant opinions here already.
itsnotnews Brit1968
28 January 2013 10:41am
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@Brit1968 – You mix reality with imagination. I'm speaking of realities. It's hard to accept, I know.
jameslegrand Brit1968
28 January 2013 10:58am
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@Brit1968 – He said he already took you job, didn't you get that part?
<laughs>
But honestly i've heard similar from eastern europeans they have different and much harsher idea of what is socially fair.
In their country they used to have no social security, you see. There was the communist rule…But all of the eastern europeans I've seen have been very hard workers.
Also, they won't shut up and take shit cause they're quite outspoken. If they meet with this type of attitude – and frankly this attitude is just racist – it's hardly surprising they get angry.
Brit1968 jameslegrand
28 January 2013 11:32am
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@jameslegrand & itsnotnews – I'll get back to you on your comments, you need to be put straight about a few things…laters.
ve6ter
28 January 2013 10:12am
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@pilgrim98 – Pickpocketing? What has that got to do with anything? All Europeans are free to come anyway. The story is about the opening up of the job market from next year. I can assure you that pickpockets do not get PAYE slips and have no NI cards.
Grandmechantloup
28 January 2013 10:15am
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UKracist
28 January 2013 10:18am
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Please, UK Politicians Stop being racists. I will give some other statistic: there are about 50 000 English families, who bought houses in Bulgaria multiply this 2 ( only couples) makes around 100 000 English people living in Bulgaria. Please, you can do some research now and find out how many of them live in small villages and like playing with children between 10 and 15 years old. There are number of proven cases of children rapes by old English perverts, therefore please stop complaining that we will take your jobs . I pay nearly 50% taxes here in UK, which I don't want to be spent for illegal /racist campaigns against us and if there is someone better than me to do my job please you are welcome. Please make all Bulgarians dentists, doctors and many others to work tax free, we don't want to support English wasters and hookers(15 years old with children, which explains the above) living on benefits.
DoubleO UKracist
28 January 2013 10:23am
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Well, if you don't like it here do feel free to take the next 'plane home.
Armstrongx15 UKracist
28 January 2013 11:00am
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@UK Racist
You have the right to live and work here and not be persecuted
Just as I have enjoyed that right in Germany for 20 years
inglishbob
28 January 2013 10:18am
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This is simply another aspect of the current govt policy of prejudice and discrimination against these nationalities. Creating fear and distrust and hate and suspicion and resentment. The current rules make it incredibly hard for people from these countries to stay in the UK, even with the most "legitimate" of reasons e.g. marrying a British national. The system for cases such as this is deliberately slow and drawn out, seeming to be designed to make people give up. The truth is that most people living in the UK have little or no direct experience of people from these countries, so any opinion on these matters is based mostly on hearsay and media "truths". Even Bulgarian and Romanian students accepted to study (and pay for it) in the UK are being targeted.
johnlennonsmellotron
28 January 2013 10:21am
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I'm surprised at the poor level of debate here-actually, may be not that surprised.
Three points:
1/ Romanians speak a latin-derived language and are most likely to emigrate to Spain, France or Italy. The UK will receive some Romanians, but the Tory MP's figures do not seem accurate to me.
2/ Does anyone seriously know enough about Bulgarians to justify the crude stereotyping? Most British people probably couldn't locate Bulgaria on a map, let alone wax lyrical about its cultural history.
3/ This debate shows why neo-liberal capitalism is the last refuge of the hypocrite. It wants cheap labour, cares not a jot where it comes from, and then its power masters trot out the usual scare stories to frighten that labour away.
This country doesn't really need an advertising campaign (that's 'spending money', all you Tories) to show the world how miserable it's becoming.
DavidJo52951945
28 January 2013 10:21am
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I despair with all the parties sometimes
Sign this petition to restrict Bulgarian and Romanians from entering the UK:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41492
mutard
28 January 2013 10:23am
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It so sad that people believe certain newspapers demonization of immigrants and British corporate business have agencies in East European countries recruiting workers for the UK because they do not have to pay them a minimum wage.
As Cameron knows this I presume this suggestion is simply a spurious attempt at electioneering.
BawbagMcWimoweh
28 January 2013 10:23am
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I get the impression that we have no ability to influence any future events in this country.
Adverts to stop economic migrants!? It's like taking the front door off your house to save money and then replacing the door with a sign asking for burglars to wipe their feet on the way in.
Either we have an immigration policy that suits big business and rubs the right's face in diversity or we do something to invest in our futures and those of our kids.
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Brit1968
28 January 2013 10:24am
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Heck…..pushing up immigration to increase the competitiveness of the jobs market and drive down wages….or invite all those "Eastern Europeans"….what to do, such a dilemma??…lets go and have a cup a tea instead.
jameslegrand Brit1968
28 January 2013 10:49am
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I really don't get this. The Eastern Europeans are frequently well trained, and even low -level workers are needed, since many Westerners would not want the jobs they will be willing to take. With Eastern Europeans the cultural cohesion is higher , too, as they are Christians. There are really no problems. I've known both Polish and Romanian people and I have to say they have mind set more or less like my own. Both were trained, one was a nurse, one a highly qualified IT worker with a degree much higher than was necessary in his job. Any governement willingly turning away reserve labour like this must be out of their senses. Meanwhile inviting in and pampering aggressive jihadis…
Jympton
28 January 2013 10:25am
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"On Sunday a Downing Street source said: "It is true that options are being looked at but we are not commenting on the specific things mentioned … as obviously it is an ongoing process and we will bring forward any proposals in due course."
TRANSLATION: "F*** off"
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grincher
28 January 2013 10:25am
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firm action must be taken to STOP them entering the UK regardless of what the EU says. Stop pussy footing around and turn them away at the border.
itsnotnews grincher
28 January 2013 10:32am
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No kiddin' ?!? I suppose you want out of the EU. Well, please, be my guest. Refuse the doctors (yours are emigrating into Australia and New Zealand). Refuse the IT engineers (name just 1 single IT product Britain is famous for!, you can't ?!? Wonder why.). Refuse all the people who are willing to do jobs Brits refuse.
jameslegrand itsnotnews
28 January 2013 10:40am
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@itsnotnews – Really, the xenophobia in here is so thick one can hardly breathe!
usasoneiaswe
28 January 2013 10:25am
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Snap the shot of Dave et-al dumping over all us, except his in-the club-f(r)iends.
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NonsenseWriter
28 January 2013 10:26am
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Cameron doesn't seem to realize that we live in a globalized, post-colonial world. The point of open borders within the EU is to make the labor force as a whole more competitive within the Eurozone, as European countries can no longer rely on exploiting colonies to fuel their economies, and as a result they need to work harder to stay as prosperous as they traditionally have been, or Asia will quickly walk all over us. Immigrants bring a competitiveness to Britain which it has been missing for a couple hundred years, and which is desperately needs.
I don't think anyone should be allowed to move into the country and go straight onto benefits, and of course there should be curbs on the use of public services if recent immigrants are unemployed for more than three months for the sake of our fragile economy. That said, I think the EU policy on immigration is great, it's offered me endless opportunities on the continent which I am sure will be invaluable to gaining good employment in Britain, and I've never heard Europeans grumbling about me working in their country and exploiting their public services whilst doing so. The British population as a whole are yet to realize the incredible opportunities that they have as a result of being part of the EU.
NonsenseWriter NonsenseWriter
28 January 2013 10:35am
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Sorry, 'exploited' is the wrong word- but I've found places like the Netherlands offer far more employment opportunities and public service benefits than the UK, whilst having a far healthier economy, all of which have proved a great advantage to British workers there.
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GordontheMoron
28 January 2013 10:27am
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bring them on, Romanians and Bulgarians are much nicer than the english (or at least Southerners) 😉
RicardoRed99 GordontheMoron
28 January 2013 11:06am
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Oi!! Us Sufaneers are a fa(kin' nice bunch. Alwright?!
BlankReg GordontheMoron
28 January 2013 11:34am
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Damn right. I'm originally from London, which is why I now live on the north coast of Scotland as far away from the south as I can get without renting a boat.
John Shuttleworth was right, you know, the further north you go, the friendlier people are.
Armstrongx15
28 January 2013 10:27am
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What's wrong with us? Great men and women gave their lives to combat racial and ethnic hatred. I spent 10 months working in Romania and it is a tough place for the majority; the people treated me with kindness and warmth and warmth.
This is another example of the Island mentality of the worst kind and if you sew such a concept it comes back to you.
This will accomplish nothing, because people emigrate on "word of mouth" of their peers, it will only makes us look like a bunch of nasty small minded haters of everyone else and our ExPats will pay for it not "Little England"
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Peter Parushev
28 January 2013 10:28am
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You want to escape Sharia, sheets, slippers and pajamas on the streets?
Welcome to Bulgaria – we have rural houses are in abundance, you will make homemade brandy and wine and live in happiness.
Bulgaria loves Brits ( and everyone else :D).
Enjoy:D:D:D:D
BLsBs Peter Parushev
28 January 2013 10:33am
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Well we don't have Sharia (and I'm not sure why you'd bring it up!) but I'll take the other stuff – sounds idyllic.
You're welcome here too.
Peter Parushev BLsBs
28 January 2013 10:41am
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@BLsBs – I'm sorry for my stupid joke in the first sentence!
All the other things that I wrote are true. Thanks for the heads up!
bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 10:29am
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Wake up! On which planet are you on? Bulgarians, Romanians are NOT ALLOWED to claim any benefits and NEVER HAVE BEEN. The only not working people to do so are those with REFUGEE status. Even Poles, or Dutchmen – they cannot claim benefits UNLESS they have worked LEGALLY in the UK and possess NIN. And getting NIN means you must have a valid job offer/be in full time employment. And why nobody ever showed statistics how many of these Poles have actually RECEIVED any benefits?
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BLsBs
28 January 2013 10:31am
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Everyone living in the UK today is descended, in one way or another, from people who weren't born here. That's how human evolution works. Get over it.
Can't everyone lift their heads up, smile, and get involved in a discourse which aims to understand each other's cultures and differences, where we are the same and work to make a more friendly, welcoming, human society.
Gunderic BLsBs
28 January 2013 11:34am
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understand each other's …. differences, where we are the same
So are we different or the same?
BLsBs Gunderic
28 January 2013 12:42pm
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@Gunderic – both.
Alfred Stanley
28 January 2013 10:34am
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Why don't we start a campaign to demonise Bulgarian and Romanian nationals before they even get here?
Playing on peoples underlying xenophobia and racism should do the trick and by the time they come here they will be met with such hostility from a fired up British population that they won't want to stay.
EvanescenceBG
28 January 2013 10:34am
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That's an interesting idea but, honestly, your country doesn't need to spend a huge amount of money to persuade people to stay away. You don't really have to "advertise" your lovely climate or economical crisis. The very idea of judging 29 million people by their nationality only is off-putting enough to make them think twice before ever setting foot on your precious island. Chauvinism much?
gulgarian
28 January 2013 10:35am
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Cheap PR campaign of a desperate Prime Minister, I see that the words of Cameron. It does not honor this statement. These politicians like him in Bulgaria "dime a dozen". There is much to learn about BULGARIA Bulgaria and Mr. Minister, but probably worldview you will not allow it.
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jameslegrand
28 January 2013 10:36am
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Pretty racist,don't you think?
What's wrong with Romanians or Bulgarians?
DickieHart jameslegrand
28 January 2013 11:39am
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@jameslegrand- There is absolutely nothing wrong with these people their culture or their work ethic. They have a perfect right to go anywhere to find work and improve their standard of living. As we all do. However there is a problem when working people are used as pawns in a huge and politically orchestrated game. Over the past 30 years in the UK we have seen a massive reduction in large scale industrial employment. Mining, Steelworks, shipbuilding, roads, rail etc etc etc. The unions have been destroyed. Employees rights have all but vanished. People I know work outdoors in winter, they were informed they can go early because it gets dark at 4pm. They got their hourly pay docked. The company would not hire in lighting sets. Where is the recourse ? Where is the protection ?
It really is going back to Victorian times. Only now its more expensive to maintain a roof over your head. So we have a vast,willing and very cheap workforce in Eastern Europe. Lets demoralise and belittle the indigenous workforce, cut their money, grind them into the ground. We can get it done cheaper. The immigrants will work for far less and require no protection. They will get the job done. It is definitely not, as some would have us believe "I just couldn't get the staff". What really is the issue is "I couldn't get the staff for a pittance ". I support the idea of people being able to move to get better work and improve their lives. However I do not support the mass migration of people to undermine the hard fought terms & conditions that were once a benefit to all working people in the UK.
smallactsofdefiance
28 January 2013 10:37am
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I wonder what the reaction would be if the Bulgarian government launched an advertising campaign in this country along the lines of: "Stop coming over here and buying all of our houses, you bastards"? (http://www.propertyshowrooms.com/bulgaria/)
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KingHenry007
28 January 2013 10:39am
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I have no problem with free movement, as long as zero benefits (for at least 20 years) and they pay for their own place to live, plus pay taxes.Welfare state and Open migration do not mix. One or the other, choose.
hansvogl KingHenry007
28 January 2013 10:49am
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hi king,
think that eastern europeans do not recieve any benefits prior to completing at least 1 year of work in the uk.they also absolutely have to pay for their housing.you are talking about the pakistanies and bengalies or where they come from.they tend to get all the free stuff.
i can tell you that most of the current east europeans( polish, czech and slovakians) do not stay in the uk to recieve your famous benefits.they are there to work or learn the language or both.i can assure you that i have never met one easter european who came to UK because of the benefits.i do know quite a few of them.
BlankReg
28 January 2013 10:39am
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WTF? Yesterday someone on CiF was joking about a "Britain is shit" campaign and today it's government policy.
I wonder what would happen if I suggested that Michael Gove should dress up as 'Spoilt Bastard' from Viz and jump into a bark-shredder?
hansvogl
28 January 2013 10:40am
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i would not be too worried.
1) they will do jobs which british look down at (cleaning,fast food…). the british are too proud to do such jobs and prefer to stay home (drunk) on benefits.
2) even if you gov says how bad it is in the UK it is still far worst in romania or bulgaria and they know it.i would not underestimate their ability to use world wide web.they do have that and most of them can write and read.
3) the roms and bulgs are also not that rude!wait for the albanians!completely different cup of coffee!
Grandmechantloup
28 January 2013 10:41am
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So, for pointing out that most of those heading over here from these countries will be Romanies I get my comment removed. What is it about the truth that some people have a problem with?
I was in studying in the Czech Republic twenty years ago, and could see the problems even then.
Amadeus37
28 January 2013 10:41am
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My gast is flabbered at this lot.
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BlankReg
28 January 2013 10:43am
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At least the Tories have finally admitted that they've turned this country into a dreary low-paid shithole.
KingHenry007 BlankReg
28 January 2013 10:54am
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It wasn't the Tories who did that mate. It was that great double act of Tony and Gordon.
BlankReg KingHenry007
28 January 2013 10:56am
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@KingHenry007 – Have you been asleep for the last three years?
SmokeThis BlankReg
28 January 2013 11:05am
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That was Labour BlankReg.
What part of open door mass immigration do you fail to understand?
BlankReg SmokeThis
28 January 2013 12:18pm
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@SmokeThis –
What part of open door mass immigration do you fail to understand?
The bit where you continue to blame a government that hasn't actually been in power for nearly three years.
robbo100
28 January 2013 10:45am
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The real targets of this campaign are not Bulgarians and Romanians but the British electorate – part of the propaganda offensive (in both meanings of the word!) to merge the issue of Europe and the promise of a referendum with hostility to immigrants. The right never change.
turgidflop
28 January 2013 10:47am
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Couldn't we just be proud people want to come to the UK but not so proud about the awful treatment we hand out to the poorer end of our social spectrum?
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BlankReg
28 January 2013 10:47am
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How about "Don't come to the UK, our government is full of racists" for a slogan?
hansvogl BlankReg
28 January 2013 10:54am
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eastern europeans are suprisingly much more racist or much more openly racist then the british….
BlankReg hansvogl
28 January 2013 10:58am
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@hansvogl –
eastern europeans are suprisingly much more racist or much more openly racist then the british….
Oh well, that's OK then. I suppose that means we can just set fire to them at Dover and it will be OK.
Shall we do the Jews next?
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Clariana
28 January 2013 10:48am
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Our food is crap; our people are nasty, ignorant and pretty racist; we have no respect for the family, our sole interest is in making money; our weather is absolute rubbish and we're governed by a cabal of arrogant lazy toffs… There! That should do it!
kropotkin5 Clariana
28 January 2013 10:53am
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you forgot to mention the Welsh!
AkeemD Clariana
28 January 2013 10:55am
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Brits are very nice people. The artificial problems are created by incompetent politicians who are everywhere the same. Seems like all of them are birth by the same woman with single cell brained fathers.
Clariana kropotkin5
28 January 2013 11:35am
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@kropotkin5 – Yes…….. I'm sure my hubby would appreciate that… He's from Glamorgan!
pcarroll3
28 January 2013 10:50am
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I did my family tree when I was 12. My great-grandparents were all born in the Dublin area, my grandparents were all born in Liverpool.
One of my great grandparents fought in India, one of my grandfathers was stationed in china at the time of the Boxer rebellion, my father was in Malaya in the Second World War. I was brought up in poverty after my father died of malaria but had a fully employed career as a teacher, sending many 'English' students to university, one of my brothers was a coal-miner, one made electric motors, one of my sisters is a Housing Officer in central London, and my other sister is a Psychology/Sociology lecturer.
Our family of immigrants contributed and is contributing.
The Unionists of Northern Ireland want to be at one with us; could they all come over here in house-swaps with people like me who hate this dotcom reality TV, payday loan society and want out?
Northern Ireland would be a lovely place without them.
Then you could have a whole nation of racists.
I suppose the Israelis would want to come then.
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badgeroi
28 January 2013 10:50am
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They will still come in their millions no matter what is said and done. They already have their script books printed and memorised.
Even the worst case scenario in the UK is much much better than than the best that their countries can offer them.
hansvogl badgeroi
28 January 2013 11:04am
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i would not see it so dramatic.i live in italy and we have close ties with romanians and we have quite a few here.i do not see a big problem with it.they just do manual lower paid that the locals do no want to do.you would be surprise, but there are still some jobs in rom and bulg and not everyone wants to come to uk.of course some will come, but it wont be as bad as you think.and if you think that when a romanian arrives to your borders he will automaticaly recieve benefits and a house you are mistaken.
stevedarrow badgeroi
28 January 2013 1:29pm
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In millions. Are you out of your mind?
The best number i come up is 20-30 000 Bulgarians. They have like 30 000 people getting out of the country every year. Including tourists etc.
stevedarrow
28 January 2013 10:51am
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The one and only reason for Bulgarians to come to the hazy Albion is money. Nothing else! If the average salary in Bulgaria becomes at least 500 pounds no one will come to work for the queen. But of course this applies for a lot of countries with high immigration rates in UK. Then we will see who is going to drive your cabs and do the plumbing and other dirty jobs like cleaning and construction. Maybe native UK citizens? I seriously doubt it as I am fully aware of the situation. If the same happens with the Polish immigrants then I predict really bad times for the UK economy. And with the racism quite still in tact among the UK people ….I dont really know where UK government is going.
The UK government is trying to say that Bulgarians and Romanians are in the way of British economy and its recovery. That is ridiculous and very sad if British people really believe that. The problem of the British economy is inadequate management and bad judgement of the economical situation in the world and too many spent money for the royal family…
smellthecoffee101
28 January 2013 10:52am
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Please don't come to Britain – it rains and the jobs are scarce and low-paid
I guess ministers haven't worked out yet that these people are not coming for the sunshine, or the work.
BlankReg
28 January 2013 10:54am
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Coalition throws thousands of pounds of tax-payers money at PR firm in desperate bid to appease the hard-right…..again!
There always seems to be plenty of money for bullshit like this, but not enough for nurses or schools.
Rotten corrupt bastards!
UKcityzen
28 January 2013 10:56am
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People always jump on the benefits and housing arguments but Eastern Europeans have the highest TB rates in Europe. The NHS has to treat them for free (as per a U.N Directive). This is the real problem with Eastern Europeans coming to this country that no one discusses. Romania's TB rate is 101 cases per 100,000 the UK's is 15 per 100,000.
http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAweb&HPAwebStandard/HPAweb_C/1195733837507
stevedarrow UKcityzen
28 January 2013 1:33pm
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then treat Bulgarians separately , because this is not the case in Bulgaria unless you mean gypsies.
jollyjohnny
28 January 2013 10:57am
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dyatel42
28 January 2013 11:00am
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There are already many people from these two EU states living here, it's almost impossible to come out of a Waitrose anywhere in the UK without tripping over a Romanian big issue sales person.
The reports received by friends and families from those already here will be what they rely on for the truth about the UK.
cymraeg147 dyatel42
28 January 2013 11:21am
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So true.
More than 60% of Big Issue sellers are Romanian. They run it like a cartel.
British people cannot et licences because ( and I quote) Romanians have a better work ethic. What ever happened to the Big Issue ethos of helping homeless British people off the streets.
Ianhar
28 January 2013 11:00am
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Why don't they simply say no you're not coming in? Stuff the EU and shengen! Both France and Italy have done this. My Polish friend says it is almost impossible to access any benefits in Italy despite many years of working there. Even though the EU clearly states he's entitled to do. Only the UK, Germany and Scandinavian countries follow the rules fully. The stupidity of paying benefits to claimants who relocate is madness. Surely it makes sense to pay the benefit at the rate applicable by their national rates. My Polish friend has a council house having worked and claimed here for almost 3 years. He is a trained teacher, but predominately works in warehousing on and off. He says the salary per week is equal to a months salary as a teacher back home. It's utter madness! Our growing welfare dependence shows no sign of shrinking. The rot started many years ago.
HokeyCokey
28 January 2013 11:01am
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you couldn't make it up
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arnosvale
28 January 2013 11:01am
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Go to Finland and see what has happened there with Bulgarian immigrants.
WifeHusband arnosvale
28 January 2013 11:15am
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can you please enlighten us?
Supersage64
28 January 2013 11:02am
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The Negative advertising won't be confined to Romania and Bulgaria. Before you can say fuck, it will go viral. How much will then be need to be spent on Visitengland.com to counter Fuckedinbritain.com
Tory incompetence is mind blowing… It would seem that their incompetence in managing the economy is a planned interventiuon to discourage immigration which they see as the biggest threat to their support base.
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othershore
28 January 2013 11:03am
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I think there are a few issues here: the first is a crass attempt to appeal to the EDL/BNP/UKIP xenophobes and it shows how desperate the Tories are… we never hear about the millions of expats who live in Spain and other parts of Europe and America etc.
Personally though, if I had the money I'd be out of the UK tomorrow. Its not the weather, nor some of the scenery which in the national parks is great, nor jobs. Its not awful here but it is a very overcrowded and very pressurised environment. Politically speaking, people are selfish and there is a lack of social empathy. I'm not saying anywhere is perfect but I'd probably look at some parts of Germany, Scandinavia or Finland.
oommph othershore
28 January 2013 11:19am
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Personally though, if I had the money I'd be out of the UK tomorrow.
People who see a barrier just get left behind while the rest of us just get on with it.
South Germany is practically full employment. Crying out for skilled workers. Employers here will pay you, assuming you have the skills.
Germany's also got social housing as a core economic principle. You can usually find it (a lot of people prefer "private" housing though, much like the UK).
oommph oommph
28 January 2013 11:25am
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I'd add that I think your ideas about life on the continent are a bit out of date.
Germany has the same migrant level as the UK (12%). German city I live in is 22% foreigner (which is lower than its neighbours who are 30%+).
It has a shortage of housing, as have many cities here. Its Universities are overflowing – not least thanks to free tuition that many Brits are suddenly slavering about.
Vast numbers from across the world had the same idea as I had, and you dream of, if you had the money.
Yet, the city I live in would never peddle the sort of xenophobic nonsense that the UK is at the moment.
othershore oommph
28 January 2013 11:41am
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@oommph – I don't have any problem at all with where people are from or anything like that… its population density. GB has around 248 people per km2, the figure for Finland is 16people per km2, Sweden is around 21people per km2. As far as Germany goes I understand that outside the cities there is much more space?
I think you're phrase 'xenophobic nonsense' pretty much sums it up as far at the Conservatives idea is concerned really.
SmokeThis
28 January 2013 11:03am
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The timing of this sudden influx of Bulgarian and Romanian citizens flooding into the country couldn't come at a better time for the United Kingdom.
There'll be no stopping the OUT campaign now.
Pro EU posters on here need to start thinking about political asylum.
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Stoian Vladymirov
28 January 2013 11:04am
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Well, the things is, nobody who's educated and have a position here in IT or GTS multinational company would apply for a life in UK. It's simple, in Sofia, you get paid between 2500 and 3000 lv for such a position, residence is your home town, living in an own family flat and pay nothing for a rent, got your family and friends around, got the coast Bulgarian or Greece in 300 km each…, doesn't look like I or anybody local and educated might be seduced to live in UK instead. On the other hand, you have 10% Euro romas of the population, comes like 750 thousands potential new comers to UK, divide them in 5 due to that they might prefer Spain, France or Italy better than UK, and you have the approximate 75 000 people who will never apply for any kind of job when on the island due to a language and social discrepancies.
jam3sm Stoian Vladymirov
28 January 2013 11:27am
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Exactly this. We manage large development teams in Eastern Europe, and they can do their jobs just as well from there, at a small fraction of the cost, thanks to modern technology.
thesystemhasfailed
28 January 2013 11:04am
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Or… *drum roll*…. just tweak the rules on immigraiton.
Politicians; always dreaming up new ways to waste our money.
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Rodneyhorace
28 January 2013 11:04am
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Do Ministers really believe that this will stop them coming?
It's a weak excuse for failing to tackle the problem that is worrying most British people more than any other, namely our inibility to get to grips with immigration.
Noticable by its absence in Cameron's big speech on Europe was any mention of the EU Open Borders policy that we are lumbered with. Vague promises to tackle some minor treaty changes in 2017 is just not enough. The one party leader who openly recognizes this is Nigel Farage who knows that the only way to avoid this building catastrophe is to exit the EU now. Cameron and Co know fully well that we will not be allowed to ditch Open Borders while still members, but they will not admit it.
The thought of four more years of unchecked immigration is frightening
othershore Rodneyhorace
28 January 2013 11:12am
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I do enjoy watching right-wingers take chunks out of each other… It gives me hope that the Tory/UKIP vote will split and a less right wing party will become elected the next time round.
doctorquelch Rodneyhorace
28 January 2013 11:17am
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shelltune
28 January 2013 11:05am
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Jobs are scarce and low paid?! Hang on a second..that's not what they were saying last week. I'm confused.
Chessmen shelltune
28 January 2013 11:18am
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Ah…but the truth will out.
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Adam Cleverley
28 January 2013 11:05am
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Ministers are boardline retarded….
Chessmen Adam Cleverley
28 January 2013 11:19am
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Oh come on that's not fair. There's nothing borderline about it at all. The ball is well over the line there.
doctorquelch
28 January 2013 11:06am
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Dunlop85
28 January 2013 11:06am
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The ministers should look closer to home. A 30-second advertisement looking at how 'Super Dave' runs our country should do the trick nicely.
opticus
28 January 2013 11:07am
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Negative Ads about Britain, it's not the sort of job opportunity that comes round too often.
When can I start?
The thing is that people arriving from elsewhere bring with them a cultural legacy that adds to Britains' already vibrate cultural mix.
A cultural mix that I find preferable to the beer drinking, football obsessed, car obsessed, Chavish tabloid reading (and believing) idiots that seem to make up the majority of the white population
lizidrip
28 January 2013 11:09am
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Looks like the tories are getting ready for a pact with ukip at the next election,or could they just be making sure that they have one up on ukip in the racist stakes.
Either way its tatty and sleazy, just what can be expected of this government.
I wonder how much just thinking and discussing this has cost, let alone the cost of a company (led by a tory no doubt) to create the campaign, then the cost of the actual physical advertising stuff.
Perhaps the government will give us all an estimate of the total costs as well as the expected outcome.
Cade
28 January 2013 11:10am
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Simply air-drop thousands of copies of The Sun and Daily Mail and Daily Express over the landscape of eastern Europe.
That'll put them right off.
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Sebastiaan65
28 January 2013 11:11am
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As a GP I see many Bulgarian and Rumanian patients. Over the last decade they have settled in, integrated and taken part in our society just like anybody else. I find it very offensive that many readers associate East-Europeans with criminal gangs. We are all fellow humans. Remember history: Western politicians were very keen to take down the Iron Curtain. Tell me that there are no British criminals living in Spain? It just smells of hypocrisy. One the one hand, newspapers are keen to write about Brits snapping up cheap properties in Eastern Europe and at the other hand they fear a tidal wave of immigrants. Migration is a 2-way process.
Chessmen Sebastiaan65
28 January 2013 11:17am
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Well said!
goldframepicture Sebastiaan65
28 January 2013 11:40am
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What you highlight is the nasty tendency among traditional labour supporters to blame immigrants just as readily as they their counterpart Daily Mail readers.
Nowhere is this trend more apparent than on this discussion board.
Romanians can already migrate to the UK pretty much free of controls as things stand.
Bulgarians and Romanians can already enter the UK and live here; the bit they need permission to do is the starting work thing.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucitizens/bulgaria-romania/
A common backdoor route to the UK has been the registered self-employed route. Yes, it can be abused, and has been, but mostly it hasn't as far as I know.
And given the British propensity to export our dross to sunnier climes in Spain, it is a bit rich for us to point the finger at Romanians.
angryeconomist
28 January 2013 11:14am
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Maybe they can do a deal with the Australian/NZ immigration service – to re-use the negative campaigning as part of their efforts to suck out some skilled british workers?!?
Chessmen
28 January 2013 11:16am
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The Daily Mail just won't know which direction to pour their bile in. Funniest story of the year so far. Couldn't make it up if you tried.
Kwestionall
28 January 2013 11:16am
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Given the under-estimation of the previous wave of EU migrants, ministers would be better off challenging EU migration rules, rather than waste money over pointless Ad campaigns. There is large unemployment all over the EU. The free migration rule is rather like the EU's fisheries policy, too many fishing boats chasing too few fish, or ratther, too many EU migrants chasing too few jobs.
othershore
28 January 2013 11:20am
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What this world needs isn't more borders and negative campaigns to stop people going to places. It needs to bring about greater equality between all of the worlds citizens so some fat cat scallys don't 'earn' £4m per year whilst 2billion people survive on $2 a day, or less.
LittleTyke
28 January 2013 11:21am
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Citizens of Romania and Bulgaria!
Why You Should Think Twice About Coming to Britain
We will rip you off wherever we can, with gangmasters undercutting minimum wage and charging extortionate sums for your board and lodging.
Our police will harass you if you so much as dare to have a drink from a can of beer in public.
Our people hate foreigners and are extremely xenophobic towards anyone not like them. Soon we will probably no longer be in the EU, which will mean you will be deported.
You have to learn our language, but you may not know that English is probably the MOST DIFFICULT language to learn anywhere the world. We recommend you learn German or French instead.
Everywhere you go you will face opposition even from ordinary people who obtain their everyday news from our atrocious but lovable gutter tabloid press – although you may like the naked women on Page 3.
Our public transport system is the costliest and least efficient in Europe so if you come, you may not be able to get back home.
Our weather is the worst in Europe with huge rainfalls leading to flooding in much of Britain. Can you swim?
Our border control people will treat you with suspicion and make your lives very unpleasant.
However, it is YOUR decision!
Britain Welcomes You!
Daniel Marten
28 January 2013 11:23am
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lazy/feckless government
Daniel Marten
28 January 2013 11:25am
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maybe we should get some conservatives immigrants to run the Tory party! i am sure they will come up with better ideas than this and it will cost less and they will work harder….
Chris Sion Roberts
28 January 2013 11:26am
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Please don't come to Britain It is run by War Criminals.. I moved to Ireland 🙂
cymraeg147
28 January 2013 11:28am
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It is the Coalition government economic policy and the greed of the rich that is our biggest problem. They are not contributing to society and are allowing the blame for a lack of jobs and low incomes to fall on immigrants.
If the rich paid the tax they should we would all be ok.
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hansvogl
28 January 2013 11:31am
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strange that the uk gov is not more cocerned about people coming from greece, spain or italy. i dare to say that the job prospect in these countries are similar or even worst then in romania or bulgaria
coollondoner hansvogl
28 January 2013 11:49am
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Difference is Romania & Bulgaria have lower living expectations then Spain or Italy. Meaning, living in social housing and claiming benefits is comfortable. Don't believe it? Look at Muslim population statistics for social housing and benefits.
stevedarrow coollondoner
28 January 2013 1:52pm
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what in the name of god Romania and Bulgaria have to do with Muslim population and their live style. Are you joking ?
Its not possible to live out of benefits only. Please take into consideration that gypsies are totally different story. Benefits in UK are not so generous to be attractive.
bhainart
28 January 2013 11:31am
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Britain, it's a shit-un…
JHCinDub
28 January 2013 11:35am
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the area I live in has always been multicultural and it's the best thing about it, mix of Scots, Irish, Italian, jewish and asians
over the last decade it's been flooded with Slovacs, Romanians and Kosovans and became a crime infested pigsty which is unsafe for women to walk through due to gangs of eastern european males on streetcorners resulting in assaults, sexual assaults and rape/murder
my 61 year old aunt is at court today after being punched in the face and dragged along the middle of the road by her hair by some of the above who have pled not guilty hence her having to take time off work for court
as part of a college project I photographed a Romanian Big Issue seller who lives in my area and she was very concerned at the amount of professional criminals imported from her country into our area. I wrote about the negative impact these people have had on this area as part of the project and was told that I had to remove all of this from the workbook as it would be perceived to be racist when it was marked
importing cheap labour will keep the shareholders and board members happy, I predict an end to the minimum wage in the next 2-3 years and the ongoing decimation of union activity will increase
sehol1
28 January 2013 11:35am
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Just ban them from coming – what are the shambles that is the EU gonna do about it?
goldframepicture
28 January 2013 11:36am
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Well I hope the people who are planning this advertising campaign at least bother to research the Romanian climate. Even with the rain, ours is probably preferable to Romanian – at least in winter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Romania
cheesedoff
28 January 2013 11:36am
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The figure is hype anyway. For a start, what is there here for 29 million Romanian and Bulgarian citizens, apart from the range of benefits paying many times what they would receive back home, a free health service, and housing not to mention low paid jobs that would make them feel they've struck gold? Exactly, nothing. I've listened to Dave and now I'm confident the great influx is not going to happen. He tells me the few dozen who will actually come will be highly skilled and trained. Well, that's good enough for me.
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donnygirl
28 January 2013 11:37am
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Shouldn't be too difficult to deter potential Eastern European immigres – increasing numbers of the indigenous population are feeling unloved and unwanted by the current administration.
I suppose that the foreign nationals who have fleeced their own people and are moving to the UK to stash their ill-gotten hoards and buy property in Mayfair will still be welcomed with open arms by our plutocrat-loving government.
jam3sm donnygirl
28 January 2013 11:43am
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Pretty much the same oligarchs that turned their own Eastern European countries into wild dog infected ramshackle hell-holes will be welcome with open arms here, while the normal people are turned away.
Strangelyaloof jam3sm
28 January 2013 11:52am
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@jam3sm – Absolutely. The same oligarch gangsters who invite the Osbournes and the Mandelsons onto their luxury yachts…anyone remember that? The corruption is so blatant, that it's invisible.
Stroopwafel
28 January 2013 11:39am
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Invest the ad campaign budget in bolstering public services. Launch UKTV in Romania/Bulgaria – playing "Geordie Shore" and "Eastenders" on a loop.
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Alexandru Stancu
28 January 2013 11:41am
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Wow. How low can UK politicians get. I though Romanian politicians are dumb, but I guess this sheds new light on things. As a Romanian, I want equal right of free movement and work like the rest of EU citizens. All this scaremongering against Romania and Bulgaria really pisses me off in a lot of ways.
First of all there has been this stupid phrase used in the press, especially by UKIP and Conservative politicians – "29 million Romanians and Bulgarians". Now that number is just used to scare UK people off. There is no way 29 mil people will come in UK from these 2 countries. Never, ever. We are just a small dot compared to populations from Pakistan or Bangladesh or India or some Arab country. Most of Romanian population that wanted to emigrate HAS ALREADY DONE IT. I work for a travel agency, Eurolines Romania, and our buses ship people off every day in Western Europe. Most Romanian immigrants have settled in Italy, France, Germany or Spain. So what we have left in Romania is mostly the 5 million of pensioneers and 4.5 million employed persons along with their children. So there isn't much manpower in Romania to take over Britain.
Then there is the double standards, why are Romanians and Bulgarians the demons? I know, because PC Britain is never going to admit they let in Indians and Pakistanis and all sort of Arabs and other folks from their former colonies. So it doesn't matter to PC people in UK that Romania and Bulgaria being EU members should have the same freedoms of movement and work as the rest of EU citizens, its more important for them to think they are repaying some sort of debt to people from their ex colonies.
Why is it that it's racism to discuss the criminality in Muslim communities in UK but its very OK to talk smack about Romanians and Bulgarians. If you would replace the word ' Romanian ' with ' Muslim " and you would hear UK politicians say they don't want Muslims coming into this country, then all the press would riot against those politicians, but no. When its Romanians, or Bulgarians, its ok. So yeah, thanks a lot. Not that I want some special privileges in UK as a Romanian. I just want the same rights as other EU citizens.
So what's it gonna be UK? You want to be part of EU or not? Because you can't just have the cake and eat it too. And just to be clear, I am an anglophile, I like Britain, the history, the philosophy, the language, and I have a British girlfriend.
goldframepicture Alexandru Stancu
28 January 2013 11:52am
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Hi, and welcome to Britain! Hard to believe I know, but this is a liberal newspaper.
Most of this lot know jack shit about Romania. I travelled there in 1988. Yes, you could find poverty at an extreme level on the Gara de Nord, but there was also a highly educated middle class.
Those homes on road going to the Arc Triumphal from the Intercontinental Hotel are a case in point.
But here, in Britain, we just thing of gypsies and thieves. You are right, substitute the word 'Romanian' in some of the postings on here for 'Pakistani' and the police would soon be knocking on your door.
The reality is that Guardian readers like their foreigners; they just like them to be a safe distance away growing their feel-good cup of freetrade coffee.
Strangelyaloof Alexandru Stancu
28 January 2013 12:02pm
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I don't hold any bad feeling against the Romanians or Bulgarians, or anyone really. The phony beggars that infest every UK high street are themselves victims. The issue, is that once the borders open, the mafia (who run these countries) will just walk in and start dividing this country into mafia cantons. It is an absolute no-brainer. They will take over the crime scene…they will savage the welfare system on an epic scale, and they will start buying whole streets and retail outlets. If this government, or the British people can't see that the mafia will succeed where Hitler failed….then perhaps we deserve to hand it over on a plate. A cynical outlook you may ask….well, let's just wait and see. We are fucked!
Strangelyaloof goldframepicture
28 January 2013 12:04pm
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@goldframepicture – reiterating my previous post…one word…'Mafia'. Is that a misguided view of Rumania? Is it?
Alexandru Stancu goldframepicture
28 January 2013 12:19pm
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goldframepicture Strangelyaloof
28 January 2013 12:22pm
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@Strangelyaloof – I saw your previous post. I chose not to interact with it. I will tolerate most free speech, but with racism I draw a line.
I would prefer to end our contact here. Thank you.
privatesector12 goldframepicture
28 January 2013 12:25pm
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@goldframepicture – This has nothing to do with the people or thier country, it is a simple matter of size over volume. We live on an island for god sake, we can not just make the land mass any bigger…unless you are God that is.
Corina Fornade Alexandru Stancu
28 January 2013 12:49pm
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@Alexandru Stancu: I completely agree with you.
@Strangelyaloof: "Mafia"? It is not a common word in Romania. We use it only when we talk about Sicily or B.U.G. Mafia (a Romanian hip-hop band).
I am so astonished when I hear foreigners saying things like: "Mafia in Romania", "Gypsies come from Romania", "Romanians are gypsies", "Romanians are very poor people", "Romanian and Bulgarian must be similar to Russian" (argument: "because you are from the East"), "Romanians drink votka" (argument: "because you are from the East"), , "Russian mafia from Romania" (argument: "because you are from the East"). With all my respect for you, here is an advice: DON'T TALK ABOUT THE THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW. And NEVER GENERALIZE. Generalizing=Ignorance.
I must say that most of these stereotypes are really funny.
And one more thing: is it that hard to type on Google words like "Romania", "Bulgaria" etc. and search for some information regarding these countries on OFFICIAL WEBSITES so that you can form your own opinion?! Or, why not, book a flight to one of these countries and spend there few days? At least you'll know exactly what you're talking about next time when you say things such as "all Romanian/Bulgarians … bla bla bla" 🙂
goldframepicture privatesector12
28 January 2013 12:52pm
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@privatesector12 – Yes, it does. I has everything to do with the people. Who the hell is it about if it isn't about the people?
The truth is that wrapping the racism up in the word 'mafia' doesn't make it anything other than racism.
Bulgarians and Romanians can already enter the UK and live here; the bit they need permission to do is the starting work thing.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucitizens/bulgaria-romania/
A common backdoor route to the UK has been the registered self-employed route. Yes, it can be abused, and has been, but mostly it hasn't as far as I know.
So the flood that you fear so much has already happened. Not much of one, is it?
The Romanians I have known have been a credit to their country and their society. Same goes for the Poles I know.
Strangelyaloof
28 January 2013 11:42am
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Here in Aberdeen, the streets aren't paved with gold. They are paved with Rumanian beggars (who are dropped off every single morning by their gangmasters in a silver Range Rover 4 x 4) I'm enjoying this last year of what's left of the UK. This time next year…it will be gone.
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lewisfg
28 January 2013 11:42am
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No campaign is needed. Any person who chooses Britain to live instead of Scandinavia, Germany, or France would be completely mad.
othershore lewisfg
28 January 2013 11:47am
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Now France has got left winger in charge I might agree with you on all of it.
Atavism
28 January 2013 11:42am
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A series of unedited recordings of any market town high street on a Friday or Saturday night should do the trick.
That and distributing copies of The Sun
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Honeypie1
28 January 2013 11:43am
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Lovely to see all this generosity here, so all of you here is a question that I keep asking and not one of you is capable of answering it so let’s have another go at this one. Please give me a figure in terms of population on this tiny island that you feel is right for you. How many million??
Do you realise that all of this has to be paid for and as it appears as most of you are stating here are on low wages, please can you tell me where the money will come from for:
More midwives – breaking point already or doesn’t that matter
More teachers- classes so large that no one benefits
More houses – Where are we going to build these?
More transport – our transport system has been hijacked by the private companies making incredible profits, so who will ultimately pick up the bill for this?
More interrupters – just how much do we spend on this?
More hospitals – massive issues waiting around the corner and you will scream it should never been privatised but the reality is we will have to and why? Too many people perhaps.
More benefits – Now here’s the big one, who going to pay for this?
Jobs – Another hot subject, so where are these coming from?
You have got to be realistic and give me answer just how many XXX million can this island accommodate and feed? Give me a number please.
WentWest Honeypie1
28 January 2013 12:03pm
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Mind you, I do feel the nation has a shortage of erm …interrupters. A boost their numbers would surely be beneficial?
othershore Honeypie1
28 January 2013 12:33pm
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Closed tax loopholes for the wealthy £15bn per year.
Increasing tax from the foreign nationals: Wages, tobacco, alcohol,
Transport – you are raising an issue which is unrelated but no reason not to start a nationalised coach/bus scheme anyway
Houses – more need to be built anyway
Given the population is ever aging and the governments before never saved NI, we need a younger population to pay for the pensions of the old.
Feeding people isn't the issue given supertankers; it can be shipped in.
Where did millions come from? we are talking of thousands/tens of thousands maybe. If you are saying we are overpopulated what do you suggest we do about it?
Now I have provided some answers for you answer this… why are you so important that others shouldn't be allowed to live in the same country as you because you think it may make your life a tiny bit worse?
opticus Honeypie1
28 January 2013 1:29pm
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if you don't mind me butting in
but your first question does not make any sense.
optimist99 Honeypie1
28 January 2013 1:30pm
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Huge parts of the UK have hardly anyone living there.
Even in England, County Durham, Northumbria and East Anglia
could absorb masses more.
And Southern Scotland – taking its size into account – is virtually uninhabited. As are the Highlands
tomymcr
28 January 2013 11:43am
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bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 11:46am
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out of curiousity..just checked statistics in ireland as they opened their market for romanians and bulgarians last year..pity there is nothing on romanians, but here are figures for bulgarians..total number of bulgars, entered the country (including tourists): 1492; total figure of bulgars, started full time studies or full time employment: 253 (no separate figures how many workers and students)..roughly 1200 gone back..at the same time british official statistics for people, claiming refugee status (not EU & commonwealth nationals) – 19804 applications were lodged only in 2011, no statistics for 2012 yet..add illegal entrance and children, born to these refugees per year..I doubt bulgars/romanians are the biggest trouble here..
ROFLMFAO bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 11:50am
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You're spot on.
I think the biggest problem is goverment rhetoric and the slow but sure erosion of traditional British tolerance.
2020Vision
28 January 2013 11:47am
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A big picture of George Osborne should do the trick.
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carlozdre
28 January 2013 11:50am
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The Brits have said the same when Romania and Bulgaria joined EU but nothing really happened.
Don't forget, Romanians are not Polish.
Corina Fornade carlozdre
28 January 2013 12:18pm
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1. How much time did you spend in Romania?
2. How many Romanians did you meet? And when I ask you this I don't think of the few Romanians who did not even finish their highschool and who have nothing else to do in this country – or in your country – but creating problems to the others (!!!these kind of people exist everywhere) and I also don't think of the Roma minority (people who were completely ignored by the governments from oll over Europe, including the Romanian one, and now, because of OUR ignorance, we have to face so many problems). Or, let me guess, you have no idea of whom I am talking about…
3. Generalizing = Ignorance.
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medwaygarage1
28 January 2013 11:51am
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Too late they're already here! I worked with some Romanians and Bulgarians last year, i warned them about the possible presence of asbestos during building work they were undertaking in a 1930's building i was working in, They smashed down the room with lump hammers, the boss secretly got someone in to test for asbestos AFTER they smashed the walls down….it was confirmed asbestos was present,about two metres away from where i was working,no plastic sheeting preventing the dust from travelling, then i was sacked and no reason given, though more than likely because i raised the alarm over the asbestos,i reported all of this to my union while it was happening, the boss made a statement to my solicitor that there were only two people employed….didn't mention anything about all the illegal workers !!! So this year they're now no longer illegal still don't think they'll get a contract from my ex boss….and i'll have the pleasure of dragging the lot of 'em into court later this year !
Schtroumpf medwaygarage1
28 January 2013 12:27pm
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I hope you win your cause, but the villains are clearly not the guys from the Balkans in that case.
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Corina Fornade
28 January 2013 11:52am
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I'm Romanian and YES, the WEATHER is a good reason to GET THE HELL OUT of this country. I think we should launch a campaign in Great Britain that sounds like this: "When depression overcomes you, come and visit the South-Eastern countries! Great offers ONLY for the British people!". It did work for Prince Charles. 🙂
elitistjerk Corina Fornade
28 January 2013 11:59am
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Prince Charles regularly goes to Romania to hunt (also owns a house in Transylvania) because it's frowned upon around here but shhh.
WasterofTime Corina Fornade
28 January 2013 12:39pm
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When. You feel rejected its only natural to say I didn't want to be friends with you anyway. But what bewilders me. Is why the people who complain constantly about how awful it is to be in Britain do not return to their original countries or find somewhere else to be – who will have them.
FionaKabuki WasterofTime
28 January 2013 12:49pm
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@WasterofTime – Trouble is this IS my original country, and I don't see any reason why I should be driven out of it by plutocrats
MrNorth
28 January 2013 11:52am
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Leave the EU. Simples.
AmeliaMaria
28 January 2013 11:52am
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Let them run a screening of Ken Loach's films in Bucharest, that will do the trick! 😉
manunitedchampions
28 January 2013 11:55am
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Is it me or are these ministers really serious?! It is hardly going to put Eastern Europeans off packing up and crossing the Channel.
All this is doing is playing to the Ukip jingoistic, scaremongering tune. It is like watching Sarkozy cosying up to the Front national voters in last year's French presedential election.
What are the consequences? An ever increasingly divided society…
AlLikilla manunitedchampions
28 January 2013 12:29pm
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The people behind this have clearly never met or spoken with any of the potential visitors from Romania or Bulgaria.
They seem to envisage these individuals as some kind of nursery rhyme village idiots: "In my village, we believe the streets in that there London are paved with gold Dmitri. What is an 'Internet'?" etc.
Good of the nasty party to keep satirising themselves so effectively though. Saves anyone else a job.
MarkAlexander
28 January 2013 11:56am
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ussportsfan
28 January 2013 11:57am
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Sadly, the ads are accurate. Why would anybody want to come here?
Nope…I can't think of a reason and I live here!!
WasterofTime ussportsfan
28 January 2013 12:35pm
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You need to get out more. Preferably to,the countries where people are coming to Britain from. ( round the world ticket for you). Be prepared for long stays in Somalia.
Apiento
28 January 2013 12:01pm
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Easiest brief for the governments ad agency ever. Make the UK look bad.
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Honeypie1
28 January 2013 12:01pm
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All these wonderful comments, some totally inane. Not one of you will give me the figure in terms of millions will you? After this influx Turkey is next.
AlLikilla Honeypie1
28 January 2013 12:30pm
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Ah, the imaginary 'millions'…. back to the Telegraph with you!
optimist99 Honeypie1
28 January 2013 1:16pm
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There will be no great influx – and Turkey is booming.
But you will only read about that in the "Economist" and FT – not the red-tops.
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Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:03pm
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I really don't understand why Brits hate us so much. We're constantly portrayed as criminals who are going to invade your country and steal your benefits. I'm a Bulgarian student and I have lived in the UK for 3 years and to be fair, I feel MUCH more unsafe in England than in my country. I also feel that the UK government treated Bulgarian and Romanian students in a really unfair way. Bulgarian and Romanian students are one of the biggest group of EU students in the UK, which is generally good for your economy. A lot of young students come here with that nice image of the UK in their minds but they end up treated like a third class members of the EU since the very beginning. For example, in order to be able to work in the UK during your studies, the Home Office decided to make things just a little bit more difficult for BG and RO students by imposing them to hold a document called Registration Certificate which allows them to work up to 20 hours a week during their studies. A bit bureaucratic, but OK fair enough. However, it turns out that currently it takes more than 6 months to obtain it. In fact, the application of a friend of mine just got refused, after he had waited for 6 months even though he is a full time student. All we want is an equal start just like the rest of the EU students…
Yes, there will be a number of Romanians and Bulgarians who will come to the UK in search of a better pay. But generally speaking, these people will come with the intention to work hard. Many will be willing to take up jobs that the majority of the British turn their nose up at, such as the agriculture and manufacturing. They won't be coming to steal your benefits, which they wouldn't be able to do anyway… Some comments here just make me laugh. As to the NHS, people could simple use their European Health Insurance Card.
I must admit, it does sound a bit racist to me, given that Britain is a melting pot of so many nationals. Some 250 000 Spaniards have moved to Britain since the beginning of the crisis. Why shouldn't they be targeted with ridiculous campaigns. Why doesn't Mr Cameron make it harder for them too to make a living, support a family and pay their taxes? I'm not saying they should, I'm just trying to explain how ridiculous this is.
othershore Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:08pm
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well put Kristian.
Honeypie1 Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:08pm
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If I go to your Country will I be given a free house, free medical care and benefits. If not why not? After all are we not all part of the EU.
octopus8 Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:10pm
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As far as UKIP and much of the Conservative party, Romanian and Bulgarians "is the new black". (OK, Kristian, you might have to look up "the new black" unless your English is very, very good. (Try Wiki?).
ussportsfan Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:13pm
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Please, please don't mistake the UK government for all Brits. Many of us would welcome you. Sadly our press runs the country and the government follows the press.
Don't believe for one moment that the predjudice that seems directed at you isn't also about other non-uk populations. Our government doesn't discriminate. It hates all non British people…unless you are a millionaire and are willing to contribute to Tory party funds.
Our press is overwhelmingly Fascist and our government is heading that way.
Standards of living are better in practically all other European countries and the vitriol present in the UK is less obvious in other countries. If I was a person wishing to better myself from another country, knowing what I know, I wouldn't touch the UK with somebody elses barge pole!!
othershore Honeypie1
28 January 2013 12:17pm
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@Honeypie1 – I don't know about the welfare state in Bulgaria but their country is poorer than England and the reasons are historical/sociological/ecological/philosophical and financial.
More to the point you should make those comments to Americans because they certainly don't have an NHS/Housing/Benefits and they are the most wealthy country in the world.
jam3sm Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:18pm
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Countries like Romania and Bulgaria are relatively povery stricken, and unfortunately this does lead to huge amounts of organised crime in things like sex trafficing, drugs and robbery. These sorts of stereotypes are then seized on and amplified by the media.
No-one wants to keep out honest students or people coming with good intentions to contribute and integrate positively.
octopus8 Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:19pm
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Kristain. I have a soft spot for Bulgaria as in the 70's I lived in England with an English woman who had been married (then divorced) from a Bulgarian and had two Anglo/Bulgarian daughters.
I made three trips to Bulgaria to visit the grandmother and the like. Very nice releations and I drank a lot of homemade peach(?) brandy. This was in the Stalinist times and on one trip I got into trouble with the police (a number of reasons but one was having my photograph take outside the mausoleum to Georgi Demitriov(sp?) givong a two finger sign). Nevertheless, I have very good memories. and I welcome any Bulgarians to the UK.
othershore ussportsfan
28 January 2013 12:20pm
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@ussportsfan –
If I was a person wishing to better myself from another country, knowing what I know, I wouldn't touch the UK with somebody elses barge pole!!
somebody elses barge pole!! – brought a great smile to my face, thanks.
WasterofTime Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:29pm
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Your English is excellent and if all immigrants in to the U.K were as able as you – well there would be significantly less and immigration would be a lot more popular. But they are not. A majority of people in this country want to slow down immigration and indeed if it could be reversed without inhumanity to achieve that too.
What is it like in Roumania? Did you like your country? Did you feel it was in any sense 'yours'? When you walked in the streets did you hear lots of different languages around you which you did not understand? In other words do you have any way of understanding what it is like for an average Briton in the major cities of Britain?
Roumania and Bulgaria come at the end of a very long list of other nationals entering Britain. It isn't only you that people want to stop its just that for those who don't think it's too late, perhaps it's possible to slow things down.
AlLikilla Honeypie1
28 January 2013 12:33pm
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@Honeypie1 – Yeah, like that happens here. Migrants don't get enough to live on, often aren't allowed to work, sometimes have to shoplift to eat and more and more are sleeping rough.
Your belief system has no relationship with the facts – what you believe is merely a manifestation of pre-existing prejudices.
70% of 'welfare' in this country goes to the elderly. Remember that.
inglishbob Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:33pm
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Kristian you are correct. The discrimination and prejudice you face from the British gubberment is unjust and a disgrace. Permission to work part time to support yourself should be granted the moment you pay your tuition fees.
Honeypie1, if you go to Bulgaria as an English under graduate student you will have the same rights as European students have in European countries, apart from Bulgarians and Romanians in England. I believe an English person moving to Bulgaria will have the same rights regarding housing, medical care and benefits as a Bulgarian person living in Bulgaria.
AlLikilla Kristian Naydenov
28 January 2013 12:35pm
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Unfortunately Kristian, the current government is kowtowing to a racist 'little Englander' minority, whipped up by lies in the Daily Mail etc, who have never met a Romanian or Bulgarian in their lives.
The situation in their head bears no relation to the reality. But they are aging and the hope for evolving past their prejudices comes with the next generation.
manunitedchampions AlLikilla
28 January 2013 12:47pm
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@AlLikilla – Can I say how happy I am that you touch on the subject of "welfare" for the elderly. Surely by now it is time to have a reasoned debate about how to best to redistribute wealth in an ever ageing country. Putting the retirement age up to 70 would be more than welcome!
octopus8 WasterofTime
28 January 2013 12:49pm
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@WasterofTime –
Happens that I like living in the UK where there are lots of different nationalities.
WasterofTime inglishbob
28 January 2013 12:56pm
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@inglishbob – why would a British student go to a Rumanian university?
Honeypie1 othershore
28 January 2013 1:12pm
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@othershore – And just how many Americans are here living off our welfare state? What I keep asking is this very simple question. Where is the money going to come from for this?
If these people stand so firmly behind their own Counties then why are they here? What brings all these people to our shores.
Not one of you can or will answer my question. What figure do we stop at in terms of population? A number please. Why won't you answer this question and we can settle it.
Honeypie1 AlLikilla
28 January 2013 1:28pm
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@AlLikilla – What are you talking about? If they don't get enough to live on then I suggest this for starters – Don't come here if you can't afford to and don't expect us the tax payer to fund this. What a bloody cheek you have expecting this. My God this is what it has come to, we have to support everyone who turns up and oh dear me we don't give them enough. The fact is that this island is over populated and people dont' like it. Is that plan enough for you.
PLEASE DON'T COME TO THE UK AND EXPECT US THE UK TAX PAYER TO FUND IT. STAY WHERE YOU ARE.
Honeypie1 AlLikilla
28 January 2013 1:30pm
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@AlLikilla – And that is a ageist remark
Corina Fornade Honeypie1
28 January 2013 1:37pm
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@Honeypie1 – Do you really know what you're saying? I personally don't know anybody who went to the UK and got a house or any other benefits the way you say it. On the contrary, they had to work really hard to make a living. They GOT NOTHING. On the contrary, RO and BG have to face a lot of bureaucracy in order to obtain a work permit.
But maybe you talk about homeless people… if so, yes, you get a place to stay in RO and BG… But you have to be homeless, to have no income, no bread to put on the table. Do you want to try this and see if it works?
Supersage64
28 January 2013 12:05pm
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Britain would not need immigration controls if it allowed other countries to prosper. The City conducts Economic terrorism on any country that dares to break away from the Neoliberal model. Interest rate and currency manipulation are their weapons of mass destruction
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28 January 2013 12:05pm
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sheephead73
28 January 2013 12:06pm
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Wow finally politicians are planning to tell the truth!
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gruniadreader666
28 January 2013 12:06pm
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Yes and if investors also see these ads aimed at Bulgarians saying how shite the UK is I am sure there first response will be to phone their accountant and say
"we need to invest in that place, the place with no money or jobs the one run by inbred morons that where I want my money".
WasterofTime gruniadreader666
28 January 2013 12:52pm
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Where would you invest your money?
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Lacubrious
28 January 2013 12:14pm
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As a Bulgarian national in the UK, I still cannot believe that there is still so much negativity towards my country. Let me tell you a story that newspapers won't tell you. Every year, thousands and thousands of Bulgarian students come to study in the UK. About 60% of those students come from wealthier families therefore for that time being (assume that they doing three year courses) those students bring money to England. Living costs in the UK for students average for about 6000 pounds per year. So a student brings 18 000 pounds for three years. Now that is a single student. Those 18 000 pounds provide an annual salary for "the critics" who usually go with the float and hates because um because everybody else hates. So if there are 1000 students like the provided example, England gets 600000 just for one year off them. Of course there are always people who seek easy lives and avoid any activities that would engage mental or physical process in exchange for money but don't try to blame a country with a population of 7 million people for every fault in your economy.
octopus8 Lacubrious
28 January 2013 12:32pm
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This is from UKIP's website. It is an article about Godfrey Bloom, the UKIP MEP. This is part of what he had to say when he was standing for Police and Crime Commissioner (somehwere up in the northeast). This is the two first paragraphs, follow the link for the full tirade of bile. He defines Romanians and Bulgarians only in terms of being dole scrounging criminals – people who he's is sorry he can't deport.
Racist? Yes!
In 2014 there will be an unprecedented crime wave in Britain if we do not stop Romanian and Bulgarian citizens having open door access to British borders, claims UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom on Public Service Europe.
• No matter who is elected to run our police forces on November 15, Britain will be unable to stop the tidal flood of new immigrants because the government's hands are tied and it cannot stop restrictions being lifted without tearing up the treaty signed with Bulgaria and Romania when they joined the EU in 2007
http://www.ukipmeps.org/news_642_UK-cannot-afford-Bulgarian-and-Romanian-immigrants.html
Thalia1
28 January 2013 12:15pm
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Well at the moment they seem to be doing the exact opposite and actively encouraging Romanians to come here:
http://ukinromania.fco.gov.uk/en/visit-uk/great-campaign/
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Jagbeer Singh Khalsa
28 January 2013 12:15pm
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Britain is a very racist and discriminative society.
I am sure Bulgarians and Rumanians would feel quite at home here.
Lax laws against discrimination inclusive.
jam3sm Jagbeer Singh Khalsa
28 January 2013 12:33pm
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Britain is actually one of the most integrated and tolerant countries in the world. I'm sure I could go through the media now and find stories of guns being pushed in politician's faces, young girls being gang raped on buses or acid being thrown over them for looking at someone the wrong way.
Maybe you should count yourself lucky?
DickieHart Jagbeer Singh Khalsa
28 January 2013 12:43pm
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Dear Jagbeer Singh Khalsa. This racist and discriminative country fully accepts your right to comment here freely in this comments section. Whatever your race, creed or culture you are free to comment. The old race, discrimination card is wearing a bit thin now. Get a life, grow up and live your free life.
othershore jam3sm
28 January 2013 12:47pm
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@jam3sm – Do you live in Britain? have you heard of BNP, EDL, UKIP? have you read the Daily Mail? This country is better than some but it certainly isn't good. Count himself lucky?.. patronising doesn't really cover it.
FionaKabuki othershore
28 January 2013 12:57pm
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@othershore – What is so sad is it is getting worse, not better.
Why is it that free movement of capital is so lauded; but free movement of labour is not? I know which I think causes the most damage, but it seems to me that if we want one we should also want the other. I will be interested to see a rationale
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa jam3sm
28 January 2013 1:12pm
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@jam3sm – I am a whit German, moved to Britain in 2007 and converted to Sikhism. I left Germany with a grudge and now I must confess that I treasure the lessons we've learnt after the 2nd World War, especially from your very own forefathers.
Lessons which are forgotten so easily here obviously.
I've learnt in Britain a very valuable lesson: We educated Middle Class members have NO idea about racism – all we know is purely academic.
Living in the target zone is something completely different.
And btw: you all are pointedly proving my point of mistaking my looks and the name for an ethnicity: turban = Indian.
Very tolerant and educated indeed.
Sikhism is faith, not an ethnicity!
But hey – one just might have a different standard of open-mindedness and level of interest and education.
THIS is the problem I am talking about.
And your touchiness about it proves my point.
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa DickieHart
28 January 2013 1:16pm
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@DickieHart – You will see this differently from my point of view: I am German and white and converted to Sikhism five years ago here inBritain.
And suddenly I've not only learnt how racist British society is but a VERY valuable lesson about myself:
The white educated middle classes everywhere have no idea about racism – all we know is purely academic.
You have to move into the target zone to understand how deep the Rabbit Hole goes.
I dare you to try.
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa othershore
28 January 2013 1:20pm
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@othershore – Please don't forget to mention the very widespread NIMBY-Mentality here in Britain – especially in the Middle Classes.
For the Middle Class being Politically Correct is acceptable as long as it keeps the illusions running and nothing happens "in my back yard".
The Glass Ceiling people of colour and/or faith have to go through here is amazing.
jam3sm othershore
28 January 2013 1:33pm
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@othershore – There are elements of the extreme right in all countries, but their voice is much smaller in the UK. However all this fashionable Britain bashing is doing nothing but lending them more support.
The UK is one of the most racially and ethinically diverse countries on the planet, and were the leaders in establishing civil rights and freedoms.
Instead of being negetive all the time I think we should all be trying to look at the positives and help each other, and if not, well it's a big planet and there are plenty of other places to go.
jam3sm Jagbeer Singh Khalsa
28 January 2013 1:38pm
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@Jagbeer Singh Khalsa –
And btw: you all are pointedly proving my point of mistaking my looks and the name for an ethnicity: turban = Indian.
Very tolerant and educated indeed.
Sorry, can you point me towards where I made any implication towards your ethnicity? Of the examples I gave one was from Bulgaria, one Afganistan and one India.
I know you're trying really hard to see discrimination everywhere, but maybe you should take a more neutral, or dare I say, positive view?
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa jam3sm
28 January 2013 1:40pm
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@jam3sm – Oh, yes! There's the usual solution I am hearing in this country so many times: If you don't like it here – the world is big enough, go somewhere else!
How easy life is, isn't it?
Closing one's eyes to the problems at hand and just go somewhere else, where the grass is greener!
Otherwise I am speechless! There's more to live somewhere than just…
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa jam3sm
28 January 2013 1:45pm
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@jam3sm – "I know you're trying really hard to see discrimination everywhere, but maybe you should take a more neutral, or dare I say, positive view?"
This is so patronising, I think you just didn't see it, didn't you?
If you were in my shoes (hard to imagine, right?) and went through all kinds of discrimination simply because of my faith, inclusive three cases in front of Magistrates Court where I simply had to defend myself in front of the judges to actually claiming racial discrimination and harassment, I am sure you would see things differently.
When you called the Police because you were the victim of racist abuse (both verbally and physically) and get the question from a Police Office (more than once!!) "Why don't you just return to Germany?" you asking yourself where the problem actually lies.
I dare you: just try to think about this.
jam3sm Jagbeer Singh Khalsa
28 January 2013 1:55pm
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I'm very sorry you had to go through some personal issues with discrimination, and that explains why you're so angry, however that does not mean the whole of the country is 'very racist and discriminative'.
It just isn't true and the statement itself makes you no better than the people the discriminated against you. Not only that but it breeds fear between different groups and encourages further segregation.
Do you see that?
Andrew Kennedy
28 January 2013 12:19pm
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To use the vernacular, the govt. are pissing in the wind here. Just come back from Bulgaria, life there is hard – they will undoubtedly have it better here.
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Catalin111
28 January 2013 12:21pm
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I'm a Romanian and I've seen over the year this anti eastern european campaign in your tabloids. I've seen this not because I read English tabloids but becasue quite often I read it in Romania press. Now I don't know whether this is a response to a real fear among UK citizens for an Eastern European invasion or rather a political manipulation through the press. I've been to London once and I haven't seen that fear in UK citizen's eyes. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention to see it, I don't know. What I have seen and quite surprised me (for a Romanian visiting for the first time UK) was the amount of africans, indians and muslims there. I took a snack in a Mac Donald run by indians and forgive me for saying so, my English was better that the employee's English and I for me was like "wow, I speak English better than a brit" :)) That made me wonder why are the brits so afraid of christian white people coming from Europe when their traditional white people country is nowadays so mixed up anyway?
Before the trip I used to live in Malaga, Spain. There are some brits living there and a lot of brit tourists which I used to talk to, because for an unknown reason I like brits. Some of them complained that their country was too crowded by them bloody immigrants, but most of them were hearty, educated, nice and jolly people who didn't seem to be much troubled by that. I remember I've told a couple I'd like to live in Britain and their reply was: no, no, stay here, it's bad up there, it's too crowded, there's too many of you there already. My thought was if one individual is added to so many it won't matter anyway. 😀
EU stands for European Union. So, as far as can understand it, EU is formed by a number of united countries, united by common laws and common benefits. One cannont change the rules of the game just because one wants only the benefits and rejects the duties one has once a member of EU. It is immoral and lacks fair play. That's the way I see it.
AlLikilla Catalin111
28 January 2013 12:41pm
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Catalin – It's the perennial fear of the unknown 'other', always just around the corner… I'm sure these same people were fearing the arrival of the Poles until they got here and we discovered that they were, in the main, hardworking and / or attractive.
Plus we quite like their bread, lager, spicy sausage…
By definition, anyone against diaspora is small-minded. The arguments about cost are just a veil of misdirection.
BlankReg
28 January 2013 12:21pm
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I wonder how many of the reactionaries posting here complain when foreign businessmen come here and receive millions of pounds of tax-payers money in tax-breaks, subsidies, export guarantees and other state handouts?
Benefits for the poor = skiving, benefits for the rich = ???
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Maxpaddy
28 January 2013 12:23pm
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What I think the Government is fearful of is the Romanian and Bulgarian Governments forcibly causing their Roma populations to migrate to the UK…
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa Maxpaddy
28 January 2013 12:26pm
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Indeed!
And they will fear for their live here as there.
Maxpaddy Jagbeer Singh Khalsa
28 January 2013 1:04pm
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@Jagbeer Singh Khalsa – We already have " Romania has got talent" in the town centre. A couple of Roma men and women playing the Accordian and Trumpet BADLY !!.. Perhaps they should try their luck in the Punjab or Khalistan ?
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa Maxpaddy
28 January 2013 1:08pm
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@Maxpaddy – Perhaps in Germany. I am white, German and a Convert. I love it when Guardian readers mistake the turban as an ethnic design as much as the masses in the sub-level Worker Class Sun and Daily Mail Readers.
Sikhism is a Faith – not a sign of a certain ethnicity.
"Education and open-mindedness is mandatory – not optional"
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AlLikilla
28 January 2013 12:26pm
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They need to stress the number of massive racists over here, with quotes from the Telegraph message board and a big photo of Farage doing that face he does.
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa AlLikilla
28 January 2013 12:27pm
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Oh, THAT would be a novelty when the British Middleclass suddenly would try to come to terms that their beloved country is indeed pretty racist and not as diverse and inclusive as they illusion it to be.
AlLikilla Jagbeer Singh Khalsa
28 January 2013 12:47pm
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@Jagbeer Singh Khalsa – The country isn't racist – all prejudice comes from fear (in this case of the unknown) and only around one fifth of adults of voting age vote for parties of the right (two fifths don't vote at all).
There is a rapidly aging generation (see the stalwart Republicans in the US) who are very much in the minority but are wealthy WASPs who live well away from the positive influence of ethnic minorities. These people have their prejudices reinforced on a regular basis by the popular press (see all this nonsense about 'Muslim vigilantes' – a few loud-mouthed idiots – we don't hear about the homophobic shouting of any whites do we? that's not 'news').
They also claim the country is 'full' which is doubly-hilarious. What was that statistic – around 10% of the UK is actually built on?
The same logic was used by the Daily Mail at the start of the second world war. In that instance the repercussions were far more serious – the Jewish people they were demonising would have been sent back to Germany…
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa AlLikilla
28 January 2013 1:05pm
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@AlLikilla – The country is not racist? I wonder where you live… must be in the countryside (where there aren't any foreigners) or London (where the illusioned live in their ignorant Middle class bubble).
I myself am white, German and converted to Sikhism five years ago. I am living in Birmingham and the last five years were an exercise to learn how deep the Rabbit Hole goes when it comes to Racism in Britain.
We Germans learnt a lot after the 2nd World War – especially lessons which were justifyingly pushed down our mental throats by the Amercians and British.
Sadly they can't live up to their own marks anymore.
I wonder were you get your ideas about this society.
Bhaal
28 January 2013 12:27pm
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A modern thriving society
Modern?!
BlankReg
28 January 2013 12:27pm
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If the ruling corporations stopped exploiting people by turning their countries into massive labour camps then they wouldn't need to leave their families and communities and relocate here in the first place, it's very simple.
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wickywhite
28 January 2013 12:29pm
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L1ma Alexandru Stancu
28 January 2013 12:44pm
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@Alexandru Stancu – There are, the mental health of natives is not given the priority it deserves. Most of the homeless are there due to mental health issues, quite a few are our former children who were in care or ex service personnel. We have this really bad social blind spot in that the social care system we pay for, does not get out from behind its desk to help those in need who have nothing at all and are in a situation where they are unable to help themselves.
WasterofTime Alexandru Stancu
28 January 2013 12:48pm
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@Alexandru Stancu – begging began to be a regular sight on the streets of Britain in the early 1980s, when Margaret Thatcher's government cut housing benefit for young people.
The point is why should any country want or feel obliged to deal with beggars from another country on top of their own?
Why are you coming to the U.K. To study? The fees are higher than in Germany and the Netherlands and many of their courses are run in English.
tomymcr WasterofTime
28 January 2013 12:58pm
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@WasterofTime – Why not??!!!What is the problem with that??!!!
Catalin111 FionaKabuki
28 January 2013 1:18pm
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Racism is just a word. Xenophobia is just a word. I'm not going to be a hypocrite for fear of somebody like you calling me a racist.
And once again, because a lot of people including you don't seem to get it: forget about immigration rules and immigration populations. UK is not more your country, if you happen to be a brit, as it is mine. Open your mind to this reality. We are UE Citizens!
FionaKabuki Catalin111
28 January 2013 1:32pm
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@Catalin111 – If only racism and xenophobia were "just a word", Unfortunately they have referents
hblove
28 January 2013 12:30pm
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A report over the weekend quoted one minister saying that such a negative advert would "correct the impression that the streets here are paved with gold".
indeed. should go even further (as i once read at ellis island):
the streets are not paved with gold. often the streets are not paved at all. and u are expected to pave them.
rebelrouser
28 January 2013 12:31pm
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If someone, living in a poor condition can come here to work and have a better life, good luck to them. If I were in that situation I would too. What should not be allowed is any social help on arrival. Many people have to wait for years to qualify for social housing, and when they see a foreigner jump the queue, racism starts to seed. No one in Britain would expect to arrive in a different country and be given money and a home, and that should work both ways.
There should also be strict rules around learning English and finding work, fail to do either within 6 months and you're deported.
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MatthewJB
28 January 2013 12:32pm
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You don't need negative ads.
Just let the economy keep going the way it is and everyone will stay a million miles away.
IllusionOfFairness MatthewJB
28 January 2013 1:03pm
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I don't approve of these ads, but all they would need to say to deter people would be how much the cost of living really is and what that means you get for your dollar.
I also think there should be rules around finding work (which should not apply to asylum seekers), fail to do so within 6 months and you get deported and can't come back for a given period.
zamyatin13
28 January 2013 12:33pm
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I've read on these boards that Romanians are obsessed by money, ruthless exploiters of the vulnerable, racist and overly tolerant of aristocrats (Prince Charles/Dracula).
Is Britain in danger of being flooded with a tide of Tories?
Gunderic
28 January 2013 12:35pm
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L1ma
28 January 2013 12:39pm
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Restrict entry to a greencard system, unless you have a national insurance number no greencard. Employers have to pay in advance to create national insurance account for immigrant and pay indemnity if said immigrant leaves employment.
Also rights for equal pay for work of equal value properly policed, meaning immigrant labour is priced the same as native labour. Incentive to undercut the market ends. Best for both native and immigrant.
This will not invalidate the right of freedom of movement, but will invalidate health and benefit tourism which is something we did not sign up to.
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octopus8
28 January 2013 12:40pm
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I can't speak for Bulgaria and Romania here, but when I was last in Poland I dropped a 25kg lump of cast iron on my foot. The hospital were very nice and didn't complain that I was a benefit tourist.
Honeypie1 octopus8
28 January 2013 1:05pm
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Corina Fornade octopus8
28 January 2013 1:12pm
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Here is a fair opinion. 🙂
"I can't speak for… (I was not there/I don't know), but I was in … and I experienced this … and my opinion is…") 🙂
Is it that hard? (…not to be Ignorant and not to pretend you know everything?). 🙂
Glammerocity
28 January 2013 12:41pm
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I''m sure the Mail's Littlejohn will have a field day once these ads hit youtube.
Can we have an ad which says benefit fraud isn't actually as high as MPs advertise it to be but MPs' expenses-fiddling was higher than anybody could believe?
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MrDAP130
28 January 2013 12:42pm
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Right. We'll have rich Russians, Arabs – well anyone, rich basically. And allow them to not contribute adequately to society. But anyone looking to come here to build a better life for themselves and their families can just fuck off.
This story is laced with so much hypocrisy I can't stand it.
I am half expecting a PR campaign encouraging the 'scroungers' at the bottom of the food chain here extolling the virtues of life in Sofia…
FionaKabuki MrDAP130
28 January 2013 1:06pm
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The scroungers I object to are those who voted to ruin my country and then fucked off with their ill gotten gains to live in countries where that had not happened…..well not till they arrived. Tory voters do not take responsibility for their actions, if they can avoid it. They take their poisonous beliefs elsewhere
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moroboshi
28 January 2013 12:42pm
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Truly absurd that it could ever come to this.
Just don't allow anyone from Bulgaria or Romania to settle here. Simple as that. If anyone in the EU complains tell them to mind their own business. What are they going to do about it? Wag their fingers and tut?
Politicians here need to grow a backbone.
Corina Fornade moroboshi
28 January 2013 1:03pm
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Catalin111 moroboshi
28 January 2013 1:06pm
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So, there is that mentality again. UK is in EU just for the advantages, not the duties, just for benefits and not responsabilities? EU means: same laws all over EU, all the members of EU equal rights all over EU teritory. If UK doesn't want to respect these laws, it should get out from EU. And as a consequence beeing subjected to all import-export taxes of non-EU members and all sort of other disadvantages.
havanajo moroboshi
28 January 2013 1:17pm
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Sarkozy had the balls to send the Romanian travellers who created huge and filthy camps in the beautiful French countryside, back where they came from. The EU and professional human rights agitators made a lot of noise, wagged fingers and threatened all sorts of reprisals but Sarkozy stared them down and threw some money at the departing travellers to convince them to stop whining.
Very soon the ruckus subsided and was forgotten, while French citizens were simply happy that the camps, together with the associated crime and filth, had been removed.
itsnotnews havanajo
28 January 2013 1:33pm
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@havanajo – And they came back, after being deported. These are nomadic people, do you understand the term "nomadic" ?
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teardrops
28 January 2013 12:43pm
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Bulgaria it's only a small country. Population between the ages of 20 to 45 years is less than 20 % – about 1 million – and this is all of us. And even if we decide that UK is nice and we want to work and live there, please don’t worry; we will be after the 50 K and above jobs. And pay 40 % tax, so the British people can claim unemployment. As nobody in Bulgaria can understand one thing, how can you not be employed in the UK?
YuvalAdler84 teardrops
28 January 2013 12:47pm
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As nobody in Bulgaria can understand one thing, how can you not be employed in the UK?
Our generous welfare state!
L1ma teardrops
28 January 2013 12:54pm
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Most of our industry globalized to China leaving minimum wage jobs for everyone not in Government or Banking, and now the banks are bust. The rest get by living off benefits paid from the national debt at £71 per week or on pensions which are not much higher at £107 per week
To live here with you need at least a living wage of £7.45 per hour or £15496 per year, you cannot live on less than £4000 for very long. The benefit count is not a measure of social wealth but poverty and economic collapse.
DrJazz teardrops
28 January 2013 12:55pm
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how can you not be employed in the UK?
The same way as you can be unemployed in Bulgaria. Unless you count 'farming' a small plot of land 'employment.'
IllusionOfFairness teardrops
28 January 2013 12:58pm
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To answer your question: people can be unemployed in the UK because there are more people than vacancies:
we have 400k jobs, 2.5m unemployed
(Very simple reason if you think about it.)
Anne26 teardrops
28 January 2013 1:21pm
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There are very few jobs.
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bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 12:43pm
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rebelrouser, totally agree with the exception of your last sentence. You CANNOT deport somebody if he/she fails to learn/speak fluent English in 6 months. How many of our quarter million compatriots, living in Spain, managed Spanish fluently in 6 months? What about the Cypriot and Italian residents? Workers in Scandinavia, OAE, Morocco?
YuvalAdler84 bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 12:46pm
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Most of our quarter million compatriots, living in Spain are retired and do not need to work.
WasterofTime bobnotdabuilder
28 January 2013 1:08pm
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The British are used to being sent home its called decolonisation. I wonder if Russia thinks it should conduct its relations with Britain in such a way as to prioritise the interests of Russian millionaires living in London and the shires?
FionaKabuki YuvalAdler84
28 January 2013 1:34pm
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@YuvalAdler84 – Interesting: have they discovered the fountain of youth there? Or are they part of the "demographic timebomb" we are encouraged to fear in another part of the forest?
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YuvalAdler84
28 January 2013 12:44pm
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I have no issue with Romanian and Bulgarian workers coming to the UK. However given the fiscal crisis we are currently experiencing, the fact that we have 400k jobs, 2.5m unemployed and a struggling welfare system, December 2013 would not appear to be an appropriate time for this influx. Although the migrants will have a selection of EU countries, realistically Germany and the UK would have to be their priority.
Eatontuckshop YuvalAdler84
28 January 2013 1:19pm
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IDS told me there are loads er jobs ?
FionaKabuki YuvalAdler84
28 January 2013 1:36pm
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@YuvaAdler84. The magic of the free market will sort it out, so stop worrying 😉
rhyyyyy
28 January 2013 12:44pm
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Is this the opposite to the £500,000 the Govt is putting towards promoting the Lake District, to counteract siting a nuclear waste repository there, but without mentioning the repository in the adverts?
screamingman
28 January 2013 12:45pm
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Free subscriptions to the Daily Mail would probably do just as well.
goff18
28 January 2013 12:46pm
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All this will do is to deter the literate and intelligent who are able to read and understand it – precisely the people who would be of value.
It's not going to stop the gypsies – who will come here in droves.
maiaH
28 January 2013 12:48pm
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Typical rich people. 'Low wages' are still unimaginable riches when exchanged into the coin of their realm. Tell them what the rent in London is, and they'll gasp"A year's wages! I'll have no money left to send home!"
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Samuel Alexander Smith
28 January 2013 12:50pm
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These people are even poorer than the Poles and Lithuanians were in 2004… And look how many of them are here now, taken JOBS, BENEFITS, HOUSING.
What an absolute JOKE.
Corina Fornade Samuel Alexander Smith
28 January 2013 12:52pm
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When did you visit Romania and Bulgaria last time? 🙂
itsnotnews Samuel Alexander Smith
28 January 2013 1:09pm
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Man, check your real debt. I own my house, I own my cars.
FionaKabuki Samuel Alexander Smith
28 January 2013 1:36pm
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How many?
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Corina Fornade
28 January 2013 12:50pm
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I am so astonished when I hear foreigners saying things like: "Mafia in Romania", "Gypsies come from Romania", "Romanians are gypsies", "Romanians are very poor people", "Romanian and Bulgarian must be similar to Russian" (argument: "because you are from the East"), "Romanians drink votka" (argument: "because you are from the East"), , "Russian mafia from Romania" (argument: "because you are from the East"). With all my respect for you, here is an advice: DON'T TALK ABOUT THE THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW. And NEVER GENERALIZE. Generalizing=Ignorance.
I must say that most of these stereotypes are really funny.
And one more thing: is it that hard to type on Google words like "Romania", "Bulgaria" etc. and search for some information regarding these countries on OFFICIAL WEBSITES so that you can form your own opinion?! Or, why not, book a flight to one of these countries and spend there few days? At least you'll know exactly what you're talking about next time when you say things such as "all Romanian/Bulgarians … bla bla bla" 🙂
octopus8 Corina Fornade
28 January 2013 12:54pm
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birney Corina Fornade
28 January 2013 1:48pm
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what – like others assuming all the british are rampant imperialists
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Discovery300
28 January 2013 12:51pm
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The Welfare system was devised to re-circulate money in this country..and not for millions to be dispersed throughout Europe. Glass Stegal was a system that divided retail from casino and provided for a gold standard. The current system cannot be maintained by inflating its way out of debt. However, anyone will tell you pressure on local services from over migration will cause a break down in communities. The the answer is simple and cannot understand Politicians reluctance to just say…."Anyone in the EEC area can only claim benefits/health care in their home country" this would stop all the ills the country faces over night. If they come to work here they cannot claim benefits for ten years…any argument that the veg won't be picked…I say how did they get picked before the borders opened?
octopus8 Discovery300
28 January 2013 12:58pm
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I dropped a 25kg lump of cast iron on my foot last time I was in Poland. Should the hospital I went to have refused to treat me as I had not been in Poland for five years?
itsnotnews Discovery300
28 January 2013 1:03pm
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The main beneficiaries of the "Welfare" system are the Brits and the ones you have granted these benefits. Instead of opinions, put the numbers to work (you can add, can't you?) and count how much is spending and how much is taxed the Romanian community from UK.
There's a question though, in my mind, still recurring: why you have such a big debt ?
jourdan Discovery300
28 January 2013 1:11pm
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No one ever mentions any pressures on schools, where children of various languages have to learn together. Another level of immigration will add to the difficulties for teachers.
The workers being imported are always presented as male, young and single, without any dependents or any problems with health, housing or even losing the jobs they originally held.
WasterofTime itsnotnews
28 January 2013 1:16pm
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@itsnotnews – because Gordon Brown threw a lot of money at the banking system after their con tricks based on subprime mortgages in the U.S.A went belly up.
Gordon Brown also presided over a massive expansion of personal debt to create an economy based on consuming imported manufactured goods and Peter Mandelson, EU trade commissioner told the Eu they should not keep out Chinese goods on the basis that the workers conditions were well below the standards for EU workers.
itsnotnews WasterofTime
28 January 2013 1:27pm
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@WasterofTime – So, you're not able to compete with Romanians, Bulgarians and/or Chinese ? Nttt. That's not good. We learned better than you the Darwinian lesson: "survival of the fittest", what you're gonna do about it, ha?
FionaKabuki itsnotnews
28 January 2013 1:38pm
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@itsnotnews – Mainly because house prices were driven up to make money for the wealthy, I think
birney itsnotnews
28 January 2013 1:49pm
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@itsnotnews – foreign wars
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octopus8
28 January 2013 12:52pm
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For UKIP, are Bulgarians and Romanians "the new black"?
L1ma octopus8
28 January 2013 1:08pm
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Do not confuse nationalist democrats with racists.
UKIP is entirely blind to colour, but very prejudiced against unelected and unrepresentative governments, laws and treaties. But there is no doubt that allowing in a million new EU immigrants would stop any future possibility of an EU exit by stuffing the ballot boxes with pro EU votes. The UK is already dominated by a few key marginal seats with wafer thin majorities which in the first past the vote system a single vote wins even with a minority party.
LucreziaM
28 January 2013 12:52pm
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This can also have an adverse effect on tourism, so they had better think carefully, but knowing bureaucrats they'd rather cut off their noses to spite their faces.
dshanah
28 January 2013 12:53pm
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Surely all you have to do is ensure they hear constant reports of the economic situation in Britain? Or Great Tripledipain as you may wish to call it in the ads.
If that fails to put them off just explain that the nation is being run by a bunch of incompetent fools who couldn't run a tuck-shop let alone a modern economy, a place where snow and flood emergencies have become a yearly occurrence, rapacious Murdochs roam free, child molesters are TV stars and awarded by royalty.
jokerammy
28 January 2013 12:54pm
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I would choose some sort of poster of Cameron and Clegg – kissing possibly.
I suspect that the Daily Mail is partially responsible for the 'flood' of migrants – it insists on talking up the benefit system in this country – depicting a picture of lazy souls in large homes soaking up free-flowing money while popping out gazillions of children. Well, ha, that backfired on them didn't it? Perhaps if we were just honest about the likely reception for those brave enough to venture over here – xenophobia, greedy landlords, poverty level benefits, a healthcare system being dismantled around the patients ears…
itsnotnews
28 January 2013 12:55pm
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This is crazy. Below, I saw people below suffering from some kind of post-imperialism depression (ah, the self-inflicted guilt!). Brits should be very proud of their past achivements. In fact, democracy was born in England (along with the first tabloid paper, but that's another story). As a Romanian, I'm very grateful to England for all the culture it spread over the centuries.
Despite that, don't worry: the great emigration shock from Romania already happened in Italy and Spain.
Tingler
28 January 2013 12:59pm
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I think its good that British politicians can be honest about the state of the country. To foreigners.
Interesting how politicians are always making out to us that the streets are paved with benefits handouts, and tonnes of vacancies. But to foreigners they plan to tell the truth.
Boyan Yurukov
28 January 2013 1:02pm
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I have a suggestion – let's start a counter-campaign for Bulgaria – "British? You'll like it here". We already have more than 3000 Brits living permanently in Bulgaria. It's much cheaper, friendlier, cleaner and the weather is great. The tap water in the mountains is healthier and tastier than any bottled mineral water you can buy in the UK. There are ski resorts and beaches within an hour drive from each other. Pensioners can get their checks anywhere they want.
If it's so bad in the UK, please, come. We won't mind at all.
Zappaman
28 January 2013 1:03pm
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So the Tories are actually going to tell the truth To Bulgarians and Romanians to stop them coming here, but lie to the rest of us to keep us is our place! What kind of message does this give to us, and the rest of the world? What a bunch of plant pots this government are!
Eatontuckshop
28 January 2013 1:03pm
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Ministers tell the truth about our miserable low paid jobs and the erosion of workers rights
You couldn't make it up !
uwanfuky
28 January 2013 1:09pm
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just show them video of select committe on blacklisting in construction industry now showing live on bbc parlaiment TV 29jan 1.09pm
uwanfuky uwanfuky
28 January 2013 1:11pm
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sorry, think its a recrding of 22jan
uwanfuky uwanfuky
28 January 2013 1:12pm
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*recording
speaktruth
28 January 2013 1:14pm
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Amazing govt policy. To even contemplate this kind of message to go out to the world?
Don't come to my house, its really dirty and smelly.
There are just things you wouldn't contemplate saying even if you don't want people trampling all over your house.
Embarrassing.
No other leading economy would ever contemplate leading with this message.
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Honeypie1
28 January 2013 1:15pm
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I assisted with the census years ago and I can tell you the figures are fixed. The figure already is so high it is frightening, yet you want more. So here we go again how many million? A number would be good.
FionaKabuki Honeypie1
28 January 2013 1:40pm
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Why is it frightening? People are people. What is the problem you perceive?
daisyboo FionaKabuki
28 January 2013 1:50pm
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@FionaKabuki – Simple. Overcrowding. Strains on limited resources.
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RogerN
28 January 2013 1:15pm
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Last year Spain solved the problem by amending their regulations so that one could not get a residents card unless one could show that one had sufficient income to support oneself( savings/pensions ) or that they had a job to come to . In addition they have to prove their medical care is covered either by transferring a national scheme or through private health insurance . If they don't satisfy these criteria then no residency card . If Spain can do it then so can the UK with all of its economic migrants .
The UK's problem is a gutless , over paid and over pensioned , Civil Service who can't be bothered to go really hard at the problem and solve it as the Spanish have done .
FionaKabuki RogerN
28 January 2013 1:41pm
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First we have to agree there is a problem. I don't
ThomasGoodey
28 January 2013 1:16pm
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This comical campaign, if actually implemented, will not only make Britain a laughing-stock among the nations, but will be counterproductive.
Anne26
28 January 2013 1:17pm
They are admitting there are not many jobs then! So much for their scrounger propaganda.
OrdinaryGezzer
28 January 2013 1:20pm
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£10,000 bond. No money, no entry.
No benefits for any immigrant.
No access to social housing, let alone the shortcut to the top of the list immigrants get at the moment.
Commit any crime and they are deported with all relatives and family and banned for life.
Simples.
Politicians, pull your fingers out of your arses and get the above into law before the end of this year !!
Do something for Britain for once and not yourselves !!!!
Joel Whittle
28 January 2013 1:22pm
As many of the potential immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria are likely to be Romany Gypsies even a negative portrait of Britain will be heaven compared to their present exsistance in their home countries
Across Europe politicians don`t want to discuss immigration Well its a discussion that needs to be had and also Immigration Policy needs to be managed other wise there will be massif unrest as the economic chrisis worsens
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johnlincs
28 January 2013 1:23pm
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itsnotnews johnlincs
28 January 2013 1:46pm
Jagbeer is right, you're a cutie. Please, please, GET OUT OF EUROPE ASAP. I will laugh my Romanian a** out once it's done. I can't wait to tax in any merchandise enters EU from Britain. Your portuary activity for EU will reduce to zero.
Do it, please. The French and the Dutch will be very happy !
Jagbeer Singh Khalsa johnlincs
28 January 2013 1:52pm
And we Germans too.
grumpyoldtart
28 January 2013 1:23pm
This sort of nonsense simply demonstrates how bereft of intelligent thinking this government can be. All they need is a coherent immigration policy (any policy, in fact) and there would not be a problem and as long as our the conduct of our border controls are as shambolic as they are, then Britain is fair game for legal or illegal immigrants alike.
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CASHCONVERTER
28 January 2013 1:25pm
The fear whether real or imaginery is the prospect of a influx of immigrants coming and squeezing the job market. Because many have lived in abject poverty in comparison to our own standards, they are willing to work for less, and build Mr Bourgois a new conservatory for half the price, leaving more money in Mr Bourgoiss pocket – publicly he exudes a liberal approach, and self rightous tone while we all now greed and money in his own pocket is his alterior motive-.therefore the immigrants are being exploited and keeping the minimum wage artifically lower so buisness can make bigger profits and many of the working class of this country are kept hovering around the breadline.The extra presuure on the NHS due to the cuts will affect most apart from those who make big enough profits to pay for private healthcare. People should no be demonised for wanting a better life, but they should NOT be able to come here, live three months and then get benefits, if thats the case they should be deported or have to join the circus……
FionaKabuki CASHCONVERTER
28 January 2013 1:46pm
Interesting. I do not disagree with your analysis of the problem but I completely fail to understand how that leads to your conclusion. We, as a nation, decided to accept mass unemployment as a price worth paying for other benefits in 1979. We were not alone in that. We decided to concentrate wealth in the hands of a very few, as a price worth paying for the benefits which were going to flow from that. We were not alone in that either.
We can take different decisions if we wish. None of it has anything to do with immigration per se
Toranaga81
28 January 2013 1:25pm
People who feel they are entitled to good and carefree lifestyle need fear the potential influx of Bulgarian and Romanians in a year's time. I doubt any of my hard-working, British friends and colleagues (regardless of their education and occupation) would have anything against more people like me coming over.
After all, collecting unemployment pay and seeking housing and social benefits can rarely be a drive for someone to leave his home country. What the government can do is to regulate access to welfare if one hasn't contributed (be it through NI or community work) enough.
This campaign, if ever launched, is just phobia mongering. Shameful, but it serves the politician’s agenda!
aliasboy
28 January 2013 1:26pm
Inspired by the new Citizenship Test, I would like to offer my own quiz on immigration:
Question 1: Are the British
a) more racist than other countries?
b) less racist than other countries?
c) racially slurred for even asking this question?
Question 2: Did all the Poles, Lithuanians and Czechs arrive here because:
a) Only the UK, Ireland and Sweden didn't introduce limits on the free movement of labour in 2004?
b) There were stronger historic ties to the UK than any other country?
c) None of them wanted to work and they would not only qualify for extortionate benefits and free housing but would have this commemorated on the front page of the Daily Mail as a memento?
Question 3: Are the predominantly negative attitudes towards Romanians and Bulgarians due to
a) the prevalence of Romanian pickpockets operating in London?
b) negative stereotypes on the BBC news (e.g. donkey carts etc) at the time of accession
c) official warnings by the EU towards those countries about corruption that meant the accession deadline was put back?
d) skepticism about any figures on how many EU migrants may arrive after the last underestimate?
Finally, Question 4:Immigration means:
a) more people who have no connection with the Commonwealth and who we owe nothing to?
b) more people from countries we've oppressed in the past and could refuse entry to but don't?
c) more people to pay into our creaky welfare system that the baby boom generation has benefited from but didn't have the foresight to change in time?
d) not rocket science if exit visa controls were reintroduced and each non-EU case was judged on its merits?
Congratulations! You are very British and as typical as anyone else!
Untersberg
28 January 2013 1:27pm
This might increase their curiosity though. You know, Romanians are as smart as the British because, as we are told in UK, "there are no racial differences between people". Moreover, even children don’t do what they've been told…
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havanajo
28 January 2013 1:28pm
The problem is not going to be the young, enthusiastic Romanians and Bulgarians who come to seek employment. It is going to be the vans and caravans of the Roma travellers, who will create unauthorised camps on any accessible land near big cities.
These camps will accommodate hundreds, without sanitation or waste collection facilities, and the mess will soon become indescribable and very unwelcome.
The Roma mostly live by what they can steal, so crime will rise dramatically in the areas affected.
If you think this is an exaggerated scare story, look back at the problem the French had a couple of years ago. The Roma camps were huge, insanitary hives of crime. When Sarkozy had them removed and deported they left behind piles of filth, rubbish and the carcasses of stripped-out stolen cars.
This year they will come back – to a field or car park near you.
thexoverlord havanajo
28 January 2013 1:34pm
All thanks to you.Whenever Romanian Government tried to deal with them International Amnesty said they were racist.
We've seen the French and the Italians so your turn now to give us a lesson on "integrating them".
itsnotnews havanajo
28 January 2013 1:38pm
I responded you below. French did not resolve a thing; they deported them, push them back, they even gave 300EUR/pers but ….. they came back in France.
Actually, those people like being deported: they receive money, a free trip to visit their relatives back in Romania …
LOL
28 January 2013 1:30pm
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And I thought the North-Koreans with their mass-crying were pathetic.
20,00,000 (20 mil.) really ? During the WW I Germans,Bulgarians,Turks,all together lost 60,000 people- Romanians 400,000 but now they will all leave their country.
This is pay back time after a couple of years ago The City had tried a hit on the Romanian currency and lost some hundreds of mils of pounds.
hansvogl
28 January 2013 1:48pm
i do not understand why is it always people from the eas of europe that creates such heated arguments.have you forgotten about the numbers of italians, spanish and greeks that are living in you country. do you not think that the reason they move to the uk is of economical nature. i bet that there is much more southern europeans than east.
however, most of the time the east bad rep.which i think is totaly wrong.italians and spanish are ok because of the pizza and chorizos or because they have nice beaches?the are here for exactly the same reason as the polish or bulgarians.and i dont think that they worst or better kind of people.
Catalin111
28 January 2013 1:49pm
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jordanJoe
28 January 2013 1:50pm
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Attn bloody English politicians, who are no different from our fools!
Dear Sirs!
I have been many times in your country!
I do not think you can draw me something! And to you is the same dirt as well as us(I mean in politics)!! And it should be noted that many of your fellow live here with us and I think,they feel superb! I think you make political calculations on our backs! Your problems are not Europeans(Bulgaria and Romania)! You have a problem with the huge mass of India. Pakistan, Turkey and some former yours colonies !If you mean our gypsies, it would be better for you to socialize them (not you give us brains how to do it?!)I want to reassure your nationalist conservatives! LORD, who is like to live in the UK, has long been to you! Do not wait too many people from here! And do not try to raise your fallen political rating!
jimpol27
28 January 2013 1:53pm
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Bulgarians and Romanians have been able to come freely here since Jan 2007 and here is the most important point about this fact: it does not matter what local working restrictions are in place, they will be overcome and circumvented. As long as people are able to physically get here, it does not matter whether they have the right to work freely or not, their quest to better their lives is on. That is why most people (Bulgarians certainly) that have been willing to come and work in the UK have already done so. It is despicable Tory propaganda that keeps whingeing about these two countries.
The basic truth is that anyone that wants to come and work here has done so.There will no waves of people coming as a result of the lifting of the restrictions, there cannot be. Bulgaria is a small country of barely 7 million of which large percentage are pensioners and kids (not to mention gypsies who are in reality incapable of immigrating). It lost over 1 million in population in the 20 odd years since the collapse of communism, i.e. most people unhappy living there and capable of immigrating have left years ago. The UK government is already doing everything it can to restrict migrants by making it extremely difficult to obtain a NIN.
As far as Eastern Europe is concerned, before joining the EU, in the early 00`s and in the late 90`s it was almost impossible to get any visa to the UK and so it was very difficult to get here. Once here it was relatively easy to find work. The situation now is totally different, anyone from EU can get here but finding work is very difficult. The reasons for this are general migration levels and nothing to do with Bulgarians or Romanians in particular so scaremongering about them is pathetic and cruel.
The idea that public provisions are so bad in Bulgaria and Romania is ridiculous. To anyone who has lived there for more than 6 months any such suggestion would be laughable.
In the past 12-13 years standard of living in Bulgaria has been constantly rising and now the incentive to immigrate is at its absolute minimum in the post-communist era.
I know many Bulgarians and virtually all of them are honest and hardworking people so cut the crap off please. People do not plan to leave their country with the idea to live off a state, people want to progress in life, be successful and earn more.
The inherent British fear about anything foreign explains a lot of the sentiments expressed here. Britain has always been a place of migrants and in fact 80 per cent of the genetic fund of modern England is Anglo-Saxon, two German tribes.
To wrap things up, we regularly travel to Bulgaria and I can testify that there is no hunger in people to leave. In fact quite the opposite, there is an emergence of a middle class with more and more people able to earn a very decent wage, comparable to the average in the UK.
Anexa 5 – analiza cantitativă
5A – analiza cantitativă a afișelor din campania ”Why don`t you come over?”
5B – analiza cantitativă a afșelor din campania britanică
5C – Analiza cantitativă a elementelor strategiilor de implicare a publicurilor online
Anexa 6 – Opozițiile binare din mesajele campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?”
Gândul:
Our – Your
We – You
A1. Berea la draft VS Apa îmbuteliată
A2. Mașina SUV VS matematică
A3. Femeile românce VS Kate + sora
A4. Vorbim engleza mai bine VS Vacanțele în Franța
A5. Intimitatea vedetelor VS Telefoanele cetățenilor
A6. Specialități gastronomice VS Plăcintă, cârnați, fish&chips
A7. Securitatea intimității VS Prințul Harry fotografiat nud
A8. Chiria pe întreaga lună VS Doar o săptămână
A9. Controlori de trafic aerian experimentați VS Controlori de trafic aerian speriați de zăpadă
A10. Cel mai frumos drum VS Cea mai buna emisiune de motoare
A11. Tube VS Sardines
A12. Trotuar liber VS Turiști fotografiind cabinele de telefon sau polițiștii
A13. Ambuteiaje VS Congeston Charge
A14. Valentine’s Day sărbătorit de două ori VS Valentine’s day sărbătorit o dată
A15. Plimbare duminică liniștită VS Pericolul de a călca pe fete sumar îmbrăcate
A16. Limba asemănătoare VS Învățat rapid
A17. Vara durează trei luni VS Vara durează trei ore
Anexa 7 – Careurile structuraliste aplicate pe mesajele campaniei ”Why don`t you come over?”
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